Second Captains Part II

Loafing Oaf · 06-10-2020 1:20pm

dulpit wrote: »

The thing is that the virus is dangerous, but Trump didn't take it seriously. He basically asked to get it. That's the difference here.

Plus it was pretty clear by yesterday that he wasn't in mortal danger, with the doctors saying he might be released that evening. If he was literally fighting for his life the mockery would have been out of order.

Ol' Donie · 06-10-2020 1:26pm

Nonsense posts aside, Ken has to be off the smokes. I thought immediately when he reacted to the poor old upset apple cart.

His reaction to the fake crowd noise has all but confirmed it

(I've no idea, of course, but jeeeaysus he was irritable).

TRANQUILLO · 06-10-2020 1:43pm

US Murph today on Trump. This is verbatim at 25:17 : "those who believe in him uh.. I would say probably guys who are likely to join a cult probably somewhere along the way if it wasn't the president". Lovely stuff indeed. Fabulously unbiased reportage.

He then goes on to hypocritically say there is no grey area in discussing Trump and that his supporters support him no matter what. I would contend that the exact opposite is also true and that his detractors (he himself ten seconds earlier as an exemplar) will never ever give him credit for anything and they have been crying piss since he was elected in 2016 like spoiled children. From Madonna saying she wanted to blow up the white house the day after he got the gig to people laughing at him getting Covid this week.

This is the problem with US Murph and his ilk (particularly in his neck of the woods in California). He is packaging up and telling us what he thinks we want to hear. It's cool to be progressive with his Irish pals. I think the progressives have displayed a snobbish nasty streak that has come to the fore over the last few years. They think it's funny to slag off Trumps "orangeness", his hair , Farage getting covered in milkshake etc. They look down on Trump voters and Brexit voters as uneducated racists and then on the other hand whinge about Trump potentially not respecting democracy while they impeached and dragged out brexit for years respectively.
I voted Fine Gael but you see the same thing here after Sinn Fein gained some traction. People looking down on others for their legally held views.

The John Delaney audio bed with the theme tune from succession reminds me of a scene from the same show (its brilliant) which echoes how i think they feel about those who don't share their views :

Greg: I was thinking about maybe going to . . . have you ever visited the California Pizza Kitchen?
Tom: No. Dear Lord, no.
Greg: It’s pretty delicious, Tom.
Tom: No, no it isn’t, Greg.
Greg: They make a Cajun chicken linguini just how I like it.
Tom: But that’s not how you’re supposed to like it. You probably have quite an undereducated palate. So let’s go out and I’ll teach you. And I’ll show you how to be rich.

Niall Stanage is probably the fairest commentator on Trump I have encountered in Irish media.

TRANQUILLO · 06-10-2020 1:48pm

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Nonsense posts aside, Ken has to be off the smokes. I thought immediately when he reacted to the poor old upset apple cart.

His reaction to the dake crowd noise has all but confirmed it

(I've no idea, of course, but jeeeaysus he was irritable).

Still think that rant about 18 months ago when he gave up the smokes was the best episode ever . Where he said " why don't you just **** off Eoin".

EltonJohn69 · 06-10-2020 1:53pm

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

US Murph today on Trump. This is verbatim at 25:17 : "those who believe in him uh.. I would say probably guys who are likely to join a cult probably somewhere along the way if it wasn't the president". Lovely stuff indeed. Fabulously unbiased reportage.

He then goes on to hypocritically say there is no grey area in discussing Trump and that his supporters support him no matter what. I would contend that the exact opposite is also true and that his detractors (he himself ten seconds earlier as an exemplar) will never ever give him credit for anything and they have been crying piss since he was elected in 2016 like spoiled children. From Madonna saying she wanted to blow up the white house the day after he got the gig to people laughing at him getting Covid this week.

This is the problem with US Murph and his ilk (particularly in his neck of the woods in California). He is packaging up and telling us what he thinks we want to hear. It's cool to be progressive with his Irish pals. I think the progressives have displayed a snobbish nasty streak that has come to the fore over the last few years. They think it's funny to slag off Trumps "orangeness", his hair , Farage getting covered in milkshake etc. They look down on Trump voters and Brexit voters as uneducated racists and then on the other hand whinge about Trump potentially not respecting democracy while they impeached and dragged out brexit for years respectively.
I voted Fine Gael but you see the same thing here after Sinn Fein gained some traction. People looking down on others for their legally held views.

The John Delaney audio bed with the theme tune from succession reminds me of a scene from the same show (its brilliant) which echoes how i think they feel about those who don't share their views :

Greg: I was thinking about maybe going to . . . have you ever visited the California Pizza Kitchen?
Tom: No. Dear Lord, no.
Greg: It’s pretty delicious, Tom.
Tom: No, no it isn’t, Greg.
Greg: They make a Cajun chicken linguini just how I like it.
Tom: But that’s not how you’re supposed to like it. You probably have quite an undereducated palate. So let’s go out and I’ll teach you. And I’ll show you how to be rich.

Niall Stanage is probably the fairest commentator on Trump I have encountered in Irish media.

Trump is a ball of slime.

TRANQUILLO · 06-10-2020 1:57pm

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Trump is a ball of slime.

Oh I 100% agree but that's not what I am getting at.

Ol' Donie · 06-10-2020 2:13pm

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

US Murph today on Trump. This is verbatim at 25:17 : "those who believe in him uh.. I would say probably guys who are likely to join a cult probably somewhere along the way if it wasn't the president". Lovely stuff indeed. Fabulously unbiased reportage.

He then goes on to hypocritically say there is no grey area in discussing Trump and that his supporters support him no matter what. I would contend that the exact opposite is also true and that his detractors (he himself ten seconds earlier as an exemplar) will never ever give him credit for anything and they have been crying piss since he was elected in 2016 like spoiled children. From Madonna saying she wanted to blow up the white house the day after he got the gig to people laughing at him getting Covid this week.

This is the problem with US Murph and his ilk (particularly in his neck of the woods in California). He is packaging up and telling us what he thinks we want to hear. It's cool to be progressive with his Irish pals. I think the progressives have displayed a snobbish nasty streak that has come to the fore over the last few years. They think it's funny to slag off Trumps "orangeness", his hair , Farage getting covered in milkshake etc. They look down on Trump voters and Brexit voters as uneducated racists and then on the other hand whinge about Trump potentially not respecting democracy while they impeached and dragged out brexit for years respectively.
I voted Fine Gael but you see the same thing here after Sinn Fein gained some traction. People looking down on others for their legally held views.

The John Delaney audio bed with the theme tune from succession reminds me of a scene from the same show (its brilliant) which echoes how i think they feel about those who don't share their views :

Greg: I was thinking about maybe going to . . . have you ever visited the California Pizza Kitchen?
Tom: No. Dear Lord, no.
Greg: It’s pretty delicious, Tom.
Tom: No, no it isn’t, Greg.
Greg: They make a Cajun chicken linguini just how I like it.
Tom: But that’s not how you’re supposed to like it. You probably have quite an undereducated palate. So let’s go out and I’ll teach you. And I’ll show you how to be rich.

Niall Stanage is probably the fairest commentator on Trump I have encountered in Irish media.

I'm not reading all of that, all I'll say is it's not "biased" if you think Trump is a twat because he behaves like a twat.

It's dislike. Not bias.

Secondly, it's absolutely not anything like telling the Irish what they want to hear, wherever that mad idea came from. If you ever listened to Murph & Mac, they are absolutely consistent in their correct views that Trump is exactly what he is, a self serving, manipulative creep.

elefant · 06-10-2020 2:17pm

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

They look down on Trump voters and Brexit voters as uneducated racists and then on the other hand whinge about Trump potentially not respecting democracy while they impeached and dragged out brexit for years respectively.
.

What is this garbled nonsense?

dr.kenneth noisewater · 06-10-2020 2:19pm

Can we please not let this thread get detailed by Trump and Brexit nonsense like so many others?

dog_pig · 06-10-2020 2:26pm

elefant wrote: »

What is this garbled nonsense?

Why do you feel the need to insult someone like that?

I understand the point the user is trying to make, regardless of whether I agree with it or not.

elefant · 06-10-2020 2:30pm

dog_pig wrote: »

Why do you feel the need to insult someone like that?

I understand the point the user is trying to make, regardless of whether I agree with it or not.

Nothing about it makes sense. Who held up Brexit? Who impeached Trump? In what way are either of those things 'not respecting democracy'? Who are these 'progressives' that managed all this? What does this have to do with Second Captains?

I like this thread, and I hope it's not derailed by this sort of vague guff with very tenuous connections to the podcast.

TRANQUILLO · 06-10-2020 2:43pm

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Can we please not let this thread get detailed by Trump and Brexit nonsense like so many others?

I agree. Thats not my intention.

As I alluded to in my first post today its just something you notice all the time and cant un-notice. I knew once I heard the LCD sound system intro for US murph today that he would get a Trump dig in (when we are supposed to be talking about the NBA). And sure enough he delivered.

dog_pig · 06-10-2020 2:45pm

elefant wrote: »

Nothing about it makes sense. Who held up Brexit? Who impeached Trump? In what way are either of those things 'not respecting democracy'? Who are these 'progressives' that managed all this?

I like this thread, and I hope it's not derailed by this sort of vague guff with very tenuous connections to the podcast.

So because you didn't understand what the user was saying you had to insult them? Would it be fair for me to insult you in a similar manner because you didn't possess the necessary powers of deduction to determine what TRANQUILLO meant by his post?

You like the thread and hope it's not derailed yet you're throwing insults at other posters because you don't understand what they've said. Somehow I don't think that's the best approach to avoiding derailing the thread.

TRANQUILLO · 06-10-2020 2:48pm

Ol' Donie wrote: »

I'm not reading all of that, all I'll say is it's not "biased" if you think Trump is a twat because he behaves like a twat.

It's dislike. Not bias.

Secondly, it's absolutely not anything like telling the Irish what they want to hear, wherever that mad idea came from. If you ever listened to Murph & Mac, they are absolutely consistent in their correct views that Trump is exactly what he is, a self serving, manipulative creep.

Im not defending Trump at all. My point was he had a pop at people who voted for him. And that rhetoric gets us nowhere. Thats all im saying. Belittling others for holding an alternative view leaves us in a perpetual cycle of insults and retorts.

Im waiting for him to start talking about Lebron ( im a paying punter of a sports podcast) and hes slagging off anyone who voted for Trump.

People will argue that I have derailed the thread but I feel he is derailing the podcast. We got more on Trump than we did on Lebron vs Jordan.

Arghus · 06-10-2020 2:48pm

Maybe it was just as well Ken didn't get into the moon landings yesterday.

TRANQUILLO · 06-10-2020 2:50pm

Ol' Donie wrote: »

I'm not reading all of that, all I'll say is it's not "biased" if you think Trump is a twat because he behaves like a twat.

It's dislike. Not bias.

Secondly, it's absolutely not anything like telling the Irish what they want to hear, wherever that mad idea came from. If you ever listened to Murph & Mac, they are absolutely consistent in their correct views that Trump is exactly what he is, a self serving, manipulative creep.

You read half of it anyway !

TRANQUILLO · 06-10-2020 2:51pm

Arghus wrote: »

Maybe it was just as well Ken didn't get into the moon landings yesterday.

I really wanted him to. He's at his best with his surrealism.

Ol' Donie · 06-10-2020 2:58pm

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Can we please not let this thread get detailed by Trump and Brexit nonsense like so many others?

Yes, sorry 'bout that.

(In my semi defence I was more trying to defend US Murph, cos I think he's great).

Anyway, international week it is! The worst weeks for podcast listeners, even when there is something big at stake.

Loafing Oaf · 06-10-2020 3:00pm

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

I listen to McWilliams, Second Captains, the Black Eye, Dunphy and used to listen to Blindboy. But once you start to see the virtue signlling you cant unsee it..

Nope, but you can unsubscribe from them. I'm sure there's plenty of podcasts out there that do nothing but 'report on sport'...

TRANQUILLO · 06-10-2020 3:39pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Nope, but you can unsubscribe from them. I'm sure there's plenty of podcasts out there that do nothing but 'report on sport'...

I have unsubscribed from Blindboy a long time ago. Initially interesting but jumped the shark and went full on woke.

I think your suggestion is flippant and unfair. Im a fan. Im passionate about the pods. When the equipment is not up to scratch in your local gym that you have enjoyed for years you wouldn't expect the manager to tell you to cancel your membership and go somewhere else if you don't like it.

I like SC and I like Dunphy (although he is a Tomas Ryan episode away from being deleted). Dunphys episodes on the cervical cancer scandal and the Maurice McCabe case were brilliant. Nicola Tallant was among the vanguard on the Kinehans before others in the mainstream stuck their head above parapet in relation to MTK.

Second Captains is my favourite podcast but it becomes tiresome when personal political preferences are shoe horned into otherwise innocuous discussions. They have a Ken Early political pod for all that anyway. Why is Brexit coming up in a conversation about VAR? Why is Trump being mentioned in a Lebron GOAT conversation?

"its not about war and death and famine, its the opposite of that , its to convince us there is a world outside of that , that's why sports important "
Michael Parkinson

They should use that quote for an audio bed

humberklog · 06-10-2020 3:48pm

Ye'll do it aginnnn!!!

CatFromHue · 06-10-2020 3:59pm

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

I like SC and I like Dunphy (although he is a Tomas Ryan episode away from being deleted). Dunphys episodes on the cervical cancer scandal )

I thought it was very heavily biased with even Phelan's lawyer having to talk Dunphy down from some very wrong assumptions he had.

Jim Root · 06-10-2020 4:18pm

Ol' Donie wrote: »

Nonsense posts aside, Ken has to be off the smokes. I thought immediately when he reacted to the poor old upset apple cart.

His reaction to the dake crowd noise has all but confirmed it

(I've no idea, of course, but jeeeaysus he was irritable).

Ken irritable is much more entertaining then Ken disengaged so I'm all for this. He's "phoned in" a good few pods over COVID. Remember the FAI press conference one? He was caught out not paying attention and duly got ridiculed by the lads.

siblers · 06-10-2020 4:20pm

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

Still think that rant about 18 months ago when he gave up the smokes was the best episode ever . Where he said " why don't you just **** off Eoin".

Why did he tell Eoin to **** off?

TRANQUILLO · 06-10-2020 4:48pm

siblers wrote: »

Why did he tell Eoin to **** off?

Eoin had asked him how quitting the smokes was going or something to that effect.

TRANQUILLO · 06-10-2020 4:50pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

I thought it was very heavily biased with even Phelan's lawyer having to talk Dunphy down from some very wrong assumptions he had.

Yeah fair point. I was just glad to see it get proper air time.

al87987 · 06-10-2020 5:20pm

Just a pod recommendation based on above posts, Mea Culpa - Michael Cohen (Trump's former lawyer that did time). He talks to other former Trump employees, gives some insight into the man and talks about the insane cult-ure around Trump.

Anyways no more politics talk, big game Thursday, COYBIG

TRANQUILLO · 06-10-2020 5:35pm

al87987 wrote: »

Just a pod recommendation based on above posts, Mea Culpa - Michael Cohen (Trump's former lawyer that did time). He talks to other former Trump employees, gives some insight into the man and talks about the insane cult-ure around Trump.

Anyways no more politics talk, big game Thursday, COYBIG

While we are on recommendations may I suggest "the madness of crowds" by Douglas Murray.

International breaks are just the pits.

07-10-2020 3:53pm

US Murph was increasingly getting on my nerves as the years went by but it is pretty easy to skip his section, no need to listen and then get annoyed and start complaining (although it took me a few months of getting annoyed listening to him before I realised this myself and started skipping him last year:pac:)

CiaranW · 07-10-2020 4:21pm

Haskell interview today is pretty good.

07-10-2020 4:30pm

CiaranW wrote: »

Haskell interview today is pretty good.

I never heard of him before this week but he seems to be doing the podcast rounds at the minute with the book and comes across as good value.

Arghus · 08-10-2020 3:40am

Thought he came across as a self absorbed pain in the arse to be honest.

dulpit · 08-10-2020 9:21am

Arghus wrote: »

Thought he came across as a self absorbed pain in the arse to be honest.

Same for me.

Obrieski · 08-10-2020 10:28am

applehunter wrote: »

Don't find Richie Sadlier's opinion on soccer interesting at all. It is a complete mystery to me how he has amassed a media career.

I'd value Ken Early's opinion more and at least I might get funny side comment as well.

Anyone else enjoy his not so subtle digs at Dunphy (presumably) from their time in the RTE studio?
They really seem to not get on at all!

Raoul · 08-10-2020 10:54am

Obrieski wrote: »

Anyone else enjoy his not so subtle digs at Dunphy (presumably) from their time in the RTE studio?
They really seem to not get on at all!

"It's showbiz baby"

Hotblack Desiato · 08-10-2020 1:06pm

I thought he was going to say that "certain" pundits' opinions were influenced by vodka in the water glass, but then he said gambling!

08-10-2020 6:34pm

Declan Ricccccccccccccccccccceeeeeeeee

dr.kenneth noisewater · 08-10-2020 6:51pm

Ken must delighted watching this without fake crowd noise

EltonJohn69 · 08-10-2020 6:53pm

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Ken must delighted watching this without fake crowd noise

It’s awful... I need that fake noise

EltonJohn69 · 08-10-2020 6:57pm

Can rte not afford the fake noise machine ? They should at least just have the noise of a pub or a restaurant or a rollercoaster over the match... something is needed

Hotblack Desiato · 09-10-2020 12:44am

There's always the mute button which also deals with "danger here"

Raoul · 09-10-2020 11:06am

I am on Ken's side. I much prefer it without crowd noise.

lawred2 · 09-10-2020 11:07am

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

It’s awful... I need that fake noise

need neither the fake noise nor the atrocious football to be honest

dulpit · 09-10-2020 3:43pm

Raoul wrote: »

I am on Ken's side. I much prefer it without crowd noise.

Same. For all sports. The NFL with fake noise is brutal too.

humberklog · 09-10-2020 5:06pm

Obrieski wrote: »

Anyone else enjoy his not so subtle digs at Dunphy (presumably) from their time in the RTE studio?
They really seem to not get on at all!

Once again Boards.ie asks the question and SC answer. It was very funny listening to Richie today talking about his experience working with Dunphy.

duffman13 · 09-10-2020 5:12pm

Found the football preview of the Ireland game yesterday absolutely brutal! Your man whinging about his wedding before offering no insight into the game other than verbal diarrhoea. Pretty poor showing and he couldn’t even pronounce Skriniars name despite being Slovakias best players along with Hamsik. One of the poorest podcasts I've listened to in a while.

humberklog · 09-10-2020 5:28pm

duffman13 wrote: »

Found the football preview of the Ireland game yesterday absolutely brutal! Your man whinging about his wedding before offering no insight into the game other than verbal diarrhoea. Pretty poor showing and he couldn’t even pronounce Skriniars name despite being Slovakias best players along with Hamsik. One of the poorest podcasts I've listened to in a while.

Sneyd called it with McClean though!

But yeah it was poor enough when Dion on Sneyd came on.

I don't mind Sneyd or Dion but both of them together isn't great. Both chaps need someone with more Wattage sitting opposite them. The two together are dull.

duffman13 · 09-10-2020 5:45pm

humberklog wrote: »

Sneyd called it with McClean though!

But yeah it was poor enough when Dion on Sneyd came on.

I don't mind Sneyd or Dion but both of them together isn't great. Both chaps need someone with more Wattage sitting opposite them. The two together are dull.

Sneyd was poor, his shout on McClean was to play as part of a midfield 3 in the centre which was odd. If Connolly was available I'd say he'd have started

Jim Root · 09-10-2020 6:13pm

duffman13 wrote: »

Found the football preview of the Ireland game yesterday absolutely brutal! Your man whinging about his wedding before offering no insight into the game other than verbal diarrhoea. Pretty poor showing and he couldn’t even pronounce Skriniars name despite being Slovakias best players along with Hamsik. One of the poorest podcasts I've listened to in a while.

That annoyed me too. He’s a poor contributor.

thenightman · 09-10-2020 6:22pm

Sneyd is up there with Miguel on my 'not listen to the pod' scale just out of sheer inarticulateness. Lump him with the personification of smugness (without any reason to be!) Dion Fanning and you're going to have a bad time!

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