SPHE Teacher's Interview - What Happens in the Classroom... - Mod Note Added to OP PLEASE READ

Had no sex education whatseover. Learned everthing off the telly and then as I went along as I grew up. I'm feel fortunate I didn't, it sounds really cringe and inapprotiate. I feel I'm one of the lucky ones that dodged all that.

One thing I loved to know, does sex education have a reductive effect on the numbers of unwanted pregnancies and incidence of sexually transmitted diseases? Were both those things HIGHER when there was no sex education? Why do I have this feeling that if anything it's the opposite. I could be totally wrong of course so if anyone has the stats do please … :)

Oh, and thank God there was no lgbt education when I were a lad, I would have gone bright red there and then in the classroom if the teacher brought up homosexuality.

Fisting vids in school?

Jaysus the poor nun who gave us an extremely vague talk on the birds on bees will be spinning in her grave.

One thing I loved to know, does sex education have a reductive effect on the numbers of unwanted pregnancies and incidence of sexually transmitted diseases? Were both those things HIGHER when there was no sex education? Why do I have this feeling that if anything it's the opposite. I could be totally wrong of course so if anyone has the stats do please … :)

Not in and of itself, no. ‘Sex Education’, as you can imagine, varies wildly depending upon the ethos of the educational institution. Issues like unwanted pregnancies and STIs, etc are more common in the absence of education, as opposed to being predicated on sex education specifically. Interestingly enough, due to the lack of access to education, while rates of unintended pregnancy are easier to determine among specific groups, rates of STIs are a bit more difficult to nail down to particular groups:

Despite our study’s limitations, the results demonstrate that sexual minority women face elevated risks for mistimed and unwanted pregnancy compared with heterosexual women with only male partners and the importance of including measures of both identity and behavior. Given the dynamic and multifaceted nature of women’s sexual orientation development over time, more research is needed to understand the implications of the diversity of sexual and romantic partnerships among sexual minority women if their reproductive and sexual health needs are to be addressed effectively.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5819992/

The increased risk of unintended pregnancy among sexual minority women likely reflects structural barriers to sexual and reproductive health services. It is critical that sex education programs become inclusive of sexual minority individuals and medical education train health care providers to care for this population. Health care providers should not make harmful heteronormative assumptions about pregnant patients and providers must learn to take sexual histories as well as offer contraceptive counseling to all patients who want to prevent a pregnancy regardless of sexual orientation.

https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2019/12/sexual-orientation-differences-pregnancy-and-abortion-across-lifecourse

This research provides evidence that it is critical to consider sexual behaviors in conjunction with sexual orientation identities when studying STI risk across the U.S. population. Indeed, these findings add to the growing body of research that suggests that behavior and identity are not interchangeable categories and that focusing on one indicator of sexual orientation alone may lead to misinformed conclusion about how STI risk is distributed across the population. More research is needed to understand sexual health needs of bisexual identified and behaviorally bisexual persons. Indeed, STI prevention efforts aimed at reducing victimization among women and addressing safe-sex practices among both men and women may benefit from a more tailored focus of the needs of these risk groups rather than grouping all identity groups who engage in same-sex sex together.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3575167/

Oh, and thank God there was no lgbt education when I were a lad, I would have gone bright red there and then in the classroom if the teacher brought up homosexuality.

I’d imagine there were a few lads went bright red alright in my class too when the topic of homosexuality was broached in an all boys Christian Brothers School (nobody dared look around to see who was going bright red 😂), but like I alluded to earlier - the sex education delivered in the school was based upon the Catholic faith, so while topics like homosexuality and abortion were brought up, homosexuality got far less of an airing than the ethics of abortion.

Similar story when it came to my own young lads education in sixth class around the time of the referendum to repeal the 8th amendment. I was talking to his teacher not just as my child’s father, but also as a member of the Board of Management of the school. We both had our own personal views on the issues involved, but knew at the same time without having to be reminded, that our professional and legal obligations were what matters in the context of her employment as a teacher in a Catholic ethos national school. That was a difficult conversation that neither of us wanted to be having! 😂

...What?

Needs context, I guess:

CONTEXT

Many sexual minority women, regardless of sexual identity, engage in heterosexual behavior across the life course, which provides them opportunities to experience an unintended pregnancy. In addition, sexual minority women are more likely than others to report characteristics that may make them vulnerable to unintended pregnancy. Little research, however, has examined whether the risk of unintended pregnancy is elevated among these women.

 both men and women may benefit from a more tailored focus of the needs of these risk groups rather than grouping all identity groups who engage in same-sex sex together.

Were gay and lesbian students being given different sex ed classes than the rest of the students?

Doubtful, hence the suggestion that both men and women may benefit from a more tailored focus on the needs of those risk groups rather than grouping all identity groups who engage in same-sex sex together. If they’re receiving any form of sex education at all, it’s likely it was the same for all students regardless of their sexual identity, whereas nature just doesn’t have the capacity in either circumstances above, to care about anyone’s sexual identity or how anyone identifies themselves.

Nature will do its thing regardless of how anyone imagines it does or doesn’t apply to them, hence the reason why some women become pregnant when either they, or the person they had sex with, hadn’t intended (as if their requisite reproductive organs are rendered obsolete by virtue of their sexual identity), or people who imagine themselves immune to STIs (either by virtue of being ignorant, or ineffective use of protection), can find themselves exposed to some rather nasty bugs that are considerably more difficult to detect by visual inspection alone!

I thought about it, but I’m useless at drawing diagrams 😬

At least any kids dozing off would perk up

The recording features a discussion during a break in the DCU course which has been the subject of recent controversy and which was conducted partly over Zoom.

I presume they have a recording of that whole session, but can't share it for legal reasons.

Any response to the bit I quoted:

asking what exactly the point of a training course would be if none of the exercises in it were intended to actually be used

It was about 20 years ago when I did it in school and it was just the biological facts of reproduction, puberty that kinda shite.

It wasn’t videos of women masturbating or anyone getting rimmed anyway. My sister tried to let on you were show a video of people having sex, you definitely weren’t, but it’s not a new phenomenon to have people way over exaggerating about sex ed.

Most parents are too skittish to do it so it’s important they learn it somehow.

I love the idea of a mad epidemic of fisting among the youth, how far up the rabbit hole do you have to get when fisting becomes relevant.

I must be a fierce prude but to me fisting is not a real thing, just an obscure and likely unhealthy thing that very few people would actually enjoy?

No child is going to take fisting seriously as a worthwhile activity

I presume they have a recording of that whole session, but can't share it for legal reasons.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Wake up. They're not showing the whole recording because it'd debunk their bullshít if they did. Gript take a clip with no context and then misrepresent it to fool the gullible.

But "MSM" eh 🙄

The people that have called her a liar have, yes.

Well, you will notice that I didn't call her a liar, you made that up. But the people who have called her a liar have supplied the evidence that she is.

You have it the wrong way round.

The burden of proof is on the people making the accusation.

Otherwise people can make up any old rubbish (like this American inspired group are doing) and when pressed simply respond "prove me wrong".

Well as they say, time will tell. Either the whistle-blower made it all up, or she didn't, and time will tell as the truth is sure to come out someday. Same with the two female boxers in the Olympics, who some claimed to be male. They too will be proven to be liars or not, as the case may be.

Ah yes, the decades of heterosexuals being discriminated against for being straight. What would "pro heterosexuality" even entail? 😂

Nobody is saying being straight is wrong. I'm straight, I've never felt that there's something wrong with that. Meanwhile the rhetoric you seem to be referring to has more to do with implying there's something wrong with LGBT people. That's the group that is consistently targeted to imply there's something wrong with that.

You basically want some special recognition for those being intolerant more than anything by the sounds of things. You aren't limited in some way in life because of it...

But they were limited.

Now they are out and not going back.

They have the right to express themselves.

Their freedom doesn't make you less free.

Just get on with life.

You literally just want to imply they're not normal or right, that's gonna get a response that's not positive and that's your own fault. By the sounds of it, you're teaching your own child this logic. You can get offended that people don't have much respect for your views but you don't gain an automatic right for respect. LGBT people are still discriminated throughout the world, parents even in Ireland can still end up rejecting their children because of their orientation. Even if we're to say everything is perfect in Ireland (they're not), I think it's very much so necessary to remember the movement and what they did to get where they are in terms of civil rights. Straight people never had to create a movement.

Now, explain how you're discriminated against for being straight? Holding homophobic views etc is not an example of intolerance because you're straight. 😉

Remember LGBTQ+is not one lovely cosy homogenous group of people. They are two distinct groups who can be divided into the LGB (lesbian Gay & bisexual) and the (TQi+) who added themselves to the moniker around about 2015. Since then serious rifts have developed between the two groups, with the LGB feeling threatened by the TQi+ who (they say) are "Transing the gay away", which roughly translated means that effeminate boys are now being taught in school that they may actually be girls trapped in a girls body. A boy is then put on the path of being socially transitioned in school. New name, new female pronoun she/her (listen up Enoch), and everybody must now affirm this for fear of being called either a bogot or a transphobe. Calling the boy by his original Nigel is called deadnaming and is a serious offence, for Nigel is now Wendy and must be affirmed as such, or else . . . Lesbians are also suffering for another really crazy reason. Men who say they are now women and remain attracted to women, are now calling themselves lesbians because they're (same Gender attracted) !!!

Think about that one.

All in all Gay people and lesbians are getting serious flack because of all this madness, as they claim to have nothing to do with the TQi+ activists who are pushing their own agenda against biology and reality. LGB TQi+ are really two groups. Not sure what's been taught re all of the above, but children are being taught about gender identity and pronouns etc.

NOBODY SHOULD BE DESCRIMINATED AGAINST.

I dunno, cos they're school events? You didn't say what kind of events. Does he isolate himself much in school?