Clonsilla village

Beside Applegreen, a 3-storey block with 4 apartments and a restaurant/cafe unit on ground floor. Aldi submitted planning permission before Christmas for the site on Weavers Row - including an Aldi, 4 retail units, 60+ apartments and a courtyard area. It looks like apartments will go in beside Lidl and at the site of the Logde, too, so the area will look completely different in a few years O_O

im surprised they got planning permission for apartments... they are going to look out of place considering the whole area is full of houses/one storey houses.

I remember the councillors not supporting the aldi application and rightly so.i wonder why do aldi and lidl think its okay to build stores in every open space they can find. The land which lidl was built upon would have been ideal for houses but i guess we needed another store instead. Lidl blakestown is a 5minute drive.

Building houses in clonsilla does not stop apartments from being built elsewhere. Apartments are being built near coolmine station, hansfield and in other parts of dublin.

poster above said its a three storey with 4 apartments in that building? that does not sound like a high density apartment block. If they are one bedroom apartments i think it would have been smarter to build 3/4 bedroom houses and get the most use out of the land while also keeping in line with the aesthetic of the other mature estates surrounding the area. The most recent estate Weaver wood is behind that applegreen site and they managed to build houses even though its beside a train line.

It was quite silly of aldi to want build a store near lidl. A lot of reasons for refusal on the ABP report from last time so im guessing those reasons will be used again and hopefully aldi can stop trying.

Be careful what you wish for. Solution to shopping hell is not build another one closer.

Clonsilla used to be a village. Now it's just a sprawling incoherent mess of ad hoc building. They should have planned a community focal point around a retail centre. They should also have tied it into the canal amenity and thus the greenway. No vision.

Lots of recent apartments and the ones in Riverwood are beside and overlook houses or schools. They are building them everywhere or planning to.

No offence but. What historic character? It's featureless.

Those apartments in riverwood are not new and fit in with the area quite well. The only new apartments i know about are the ones going on the other side of the bridge beside the st mochtas pitches.

That historic comment was for clonsilla village as a whole not just that site. A modern apartment block with an off license looks out of place.

And yes i know many apt blocks have been submitted and some have fortunately failed to gain permission but its up to the council to approve or not. Developers dont care if an estate is mature or not all they see is a piece of land that an apt block can be built upon.

Same on the carpenterstown road, apts approved by abp after objections from cllrs and locals. New-ish estates opposite so no reason not to continue that trend for the overall aesthetic of the area but i guess cramming as many people into an apt block is what developers want.

Let's hope that applegreen devlopment looks somewhat nice..

Aldi planning permission rejected, no surprises there.

https://planning.agileapplications.ie/fingal/application-details/91200

Great news. Plenty of shops in the area.

People sent in really good submissions as to why this development is not appropriate.

As Roderic O Gorman TD said 'The Fingal Dev Plan 2017-2023 contains an objective setting out a height restriction of 3 storeys for buildings in clonsilla village. This development contains x2 4 storey apartment blocks which goes against this objective'

It is funny to see how careless Aldi was, they did not even bother to read the local area plan/dev plan as their proposal went against those plans. Very embarassing considering that was a second application. If Aldi cant be bothered to read the local objectives then i have to question why do they want to build a store in the area. All they see is a piece of land to make money from while disregarding the local area and the objectives for the area and its surroundings.

Hopefully Aldi can move on as there is plenty of land available in dublin. but i would not be surprised if they go to abp. Aldi is desparate and it seems like abp give permission for everything nowadays.

Permission granted last December.

https://youtu.be/-R8GAD1Wt08?si=kZhVsUn4Kh6c5kdq

Interesting to note, that the proposed new junction to enter and exit the development will be opposite the set down area of St Mochta’s National School, on the Porterstown Road.

Ah, I'm wrong, you're right. The 'before' has trees and a Leeds United poster and this made it look quite different from the 'after'.

Build to rent? or housing for gurriers?

Where will the through traffic go when the Clonsilla station crossing is closed. My guess is down to the next crossing point which is the "new" bridge over the track. This would not, in my opinion, reduce the traffic in the immediate area.

The issues raised re the new developments was traffic on the Porterstown Road and St. Mochta's school. I was just making the point that the traffic issues are balanced by the closure of the level crossing reducing traffic versus the new developments increasing traffic.

We need to build alongside the Maynooth line for sustainable development reasons.

Back in late 2013 there was a lot of opposition to the proposed closure of the Porterstown level crossing (it was two step process - remove the right of way, which the councillors could stop, and then closing the level crossing). It was seen as a 'test case' before DART+ West. You are right that the objections evaporated.

In the public meeting, held in St Mochta's school, the PTA outlined their plan for a one way drop-off system where parents would come from Clonsilla Road, drop off in school, and then turn left and go across the level crossing. Obviously a closure would scupper those plans.

I believe that the main motivation for the one way system was to avoid the delays of people turning right onto Clonsilla Road, but, the turning circle you suggest would help things.

I thought catchment areas were normally in the immediate local area.

They are. In this instance, the catchment area of the school is aligned with the Catholic parish boundaries.

As for the siblings rule. If you have 3 or 4 kids in different schools that isn't going result in less driving. Anyway there are other things that caused the school population increasingly less local, causing an increase in car use. Part of it is not reserving the land for schools when they plan lots of housing. Or jam a lot of new housing in an area ousting all the existing people from the catchment causing them to go elsewhere.

The siblings rule is good if there's no driving; I was describing where the first child is driven to school from outside the expected catchment area and so the their siblings will be too.

Hansfield SDZ (Strategic Development Zone) was planned out before construction started. I know that the developers wanted to do their usual houses-first-infrastructure-later but Dublin 15 Community Council (in 2005) pushed back hard to flip that order.

That said, infill development (small areas within existing areas) is encouraged to reduce sprawl. That sounds good but, as you said, it impacts school places (where the DoE is pathetic about helping fix).

No point crying over spilt milk though.