No quitten we're whelan on to chitchat 11

Anyone following the UK budget?. They seem to have hiked inheritance tax on farmers?

Going by every UK farmer I've seen posting on social media today, it a major issue and likely going to ruin a lot of them.

It hasn't been lost on people either them using the budget as cover for the release of the details of the evil scum that killed the children in Southport. In a shock to absolutely no one, he was exactly what everyone thought he was.

In most of Britain, the House or sheds alone will take up half a million,

Its the end of the little guy, I'm not too concerned with the man who has millions in the bank, nevermind assets.

I wonder if, some large companies have figured out, people can do without new cars, holidays, newest smart phones, cheap clothing from china, concert tickets, but the one thing they cannot do without is food. Circle the food production, you've got a market that must have it, not wants it, reduce supply and watch the money roll in. The tighter the circle gets, the more money is available to buy out land. That's just me wondering…

Not all; but its still doesn't reflect the "little guy" concerns. They were far more adversely affected by Brexit than this closing of a tax loophole but where was the concern then? We didn't hear about it as much precisely because it didn't affect the richest like it did the 'little guy'.

Edit: Here's plenty documenting the affect; but no one gave a toss because the richest weren't affected. Now it's clickbait.

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/eu-referendum/analysis-7-years-after-brexit-farmers-count-the-cost

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/29/uk-farmers-impact-brexit-trade-deal-losing-common-agricultural-policy

https://wcpp.org.uk/publication/the-implications-of-brexit-for-agriculture-rural-areas-and-land-use-in-wales/

https://www.statista.com/topics/8343/uk-farmers-and-brexit/

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/apr/04/british-farmers-want-basic-income-to-cope-with-post-brexit-struggles

And lets not forget, plenty of British farmers voted for Brexit despite the complete mess it was; Why; because it was two fingers to Europe. But yeah, the "little guy" is your concern…

No, Brexit is far more damaging.

It affects the farmers since before it was implemented from 2015'ish onwards until it was fully implemented.

This closes a tax loop hole that the rich were using/abusing. The wealth hording of land actually stifled and prohibited the "the little Guy" from even starting out and getting in to farming. And if they did manage to get a foot on the ladder, Brexit has ensured that they'll be two steps back before they start. Inheritance tax doesn't affect every farmer. Brexit did, does and will continue to do so; with the "little guy" being affected more than others.

All this is 'Daily Mail'esque' clickbait. If people gave a toss, they'd have raised they're voices a long time ago, but because it was a rich mans gravy train, it wasn't given near as much air time.

Edit: Ultimately, what's brought all this on is the sh1t show of UK Conservative (the irony) Government mismanagement for the best part of 15+years. This isn't Labour 'targeting' farmers; it's now an exercise in finding money to plug gaps.

Yeah….the class divide that was far more adverse for "the little guy" after Brexit….but no one cared then?

The class divide being the one that the rich were using & abusing via a loophole that's been closed. They milked it and now are using their influence to moan about it.

The class divide you are supporting by bemoaning this doesn't support 'The little guy'.

No. No at all. Where have I said that?

Edit: I could easily say - "Farmers moaning so I must support them" or is it "Labour bad so I must condemn them"…what's basically going on here?

Wrong again; "he" is the one you are defending.

This was a loophole, people like you refer to, used and abused.

Where was "the little guy" concern since 2015 which has, and will, affect them more than this closing of a tax loophole. The same issue that won't affect the small farmers; you know, "The little guys"?

Those businesses are going to be snapping up land at a pace after this comes in.

If all else fails, attack the poster…..

"He" is quite worried, look at the outcry from the richest of land owners; a tax avoidance vehicle, that many of them were actively encouraged to get in to as a way to dodge inheritance tax by the way, has been dealt with so now they'll have to pay their fair share like everyone else.

The bottom 70% (Whats that percentage based on btw?) have been and will continue to be worse off due to Brexit, and its going on nearly 10 years now, but where was your concern then?

The richest (think of your 'He') landowners weren't as affected by this, but despite being the back bone, and as per the links I put up earlier, have struggled through the last 10 years without a whimper of concern from anyone. Now that the wealthier will be affected, "we're" all ears.

The same vocal Eurosceptic Tim Farron. He said the Lib Dems would be anti-brexit "if" they got to lead government.

To give you and idea of how big that "if" is; it would be like Michael Fitzmaurice and Danny Healy Ray holding hands announcing Eamon Ryan as their new leader of the green party they've allied with tomorrow morning. Runs with the hares and hunts with the hounds springs to mind…….

Farrons electorate will be far more affected in Cumbria than they would in the home counties and/or west midlands so I'm not surprised he'll be vocal about it.

The Apple Billions going into this stew pot.

https://www.thejournal.ie/investigates-political-pensions-6516538-Oct2024/

I'm a Halloween grinch. Can't wait for it to be over. Poor dogs here are terrified

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Td spending is the same as any other public service spending and is out of control.

I think we need to recognise that governments and more likely civil servants want rid of small farms and industrial scale farms are more attractive to them.
the momentum of these farms to finance and work at tiny margins is where they want it. Then package it as “ballygobackways farm” and the consumer is happy or 90% anyway

Less farm units to deal with, better infrastructure through industrial investment. Marginal lands planted for credits to keep the greens happy.

Yes they want cheap food but it's up to us to fight the fight and hopefully educate our consumers. I have previously posted similar 5 or 6 years ago that we are heading down the American route - large industrial farms providing cheap food although in the US they get away with using hormones, GM and they have less restrictive use of agri chemicals/fertlisers.

Teagasc recently are looking like they are trying to promote that model over the traditional family model of what we grew up with post land reform and land commission in Ireland here. Started with teagasc and farmers journal on the tillage side with putting on a pedestal the larger company operations built up in the 90's and 00's. Now with the dairy farmer of the year this year being a company with employing labour and the family working off farm it's like they want to make a point of it. I get they pick places where they can bring tours of farmers but very often the farms visited would know no stop in expansion and be in competition with said farmers and it can be a message of there's not a hope you are going to end up like me and it'd be better off if you'd just lease or sell the farm to me.

One Of our dogs is behind the door in our porch all evening

We've a house cat, she's been loopy all week, think it's to do with the time change. Hopefully she'll cop on soon. Fireworks seem to have stopped now thankfully

We always had ponies and horses here. Neighbour would always let off fireworks. They got horses this year and guess what not a firework in sight.

Would that money be better spent helping them buy a house. I often see parents spend big on education but after the child are on their own.