USA 2024 presidential election

Totally. Yet we have people trying to tell us about the doom and gloom of Trump

Which I am sure the same people said the same the last time he got elected and yet it never happened.

The only constant from the last Trump term is that he's likely to contradict his stance on any topic very quickly when he hears negative feedback or he has forgotten what the topic is about.

There's no point wasting energy on arguing about his utterances as he's as likely to attack his own stance without self awareness.

Whatever about their respective policies and failures, or who you would/would not like to win, this is a really odd take.

"Dems are mad wheeling out rich celebrities to try to appeal to the common man, everyone knows that to appeal to the common man they should have…….*checks notes*………nominated one of those rich celebrities instead". It's like the Simpsons episode where they say Mayor Quimby is unsuitable for the job because he freed convicted killer Sideshow Bob, so you should vote for Sideshow Bob instead. It doesn't stand up to the most basic of scrutiny.

Trump won because he's a man. Same as he did in 2016.

That's all it boils down to, really. They're not ready in USA to have a female leader, no matter how liberal or left leaning the Democratic party may seem to be (or the Reps scream they are), the country as a whole is a lot more right-wing than they'll ever let on. Including the Dems. They'd be considered a right wing party pretty much everywhere else. There are, literally, 10s to 100s of millions of people on both sides of the aisle who will not vote for a woman, any woman, because she's a woman. Especially not one who was shoved down their throats at the last minute because the real nominee was well past it.

The entire country is ruled by money and capitalism is king. Even Obama was a bit of a warmonger, despite him being lionised in certain left-wing circles and winning peach prizes.

You're right, though, they got exactly what they deserved. Just a pity the rest of us will have to deal with the hangover.

Only in a racial sense are legal American citizen Hispanic voters, many of whom are American-born, and illegal immigrant Hispanics the same people.

Whites don't votes as a unified racial bloc - so why should other groups?

Besides which Hispanics have different nationalities of origin. Does a wealthy Venezuelan businessman in New York want dirt poor Mexicans coming en masse through the border in Arizona without residency, legal status, means of support, language skills etc.?

It's always money, money, money. The idea of patriotism and love of one's country is anathema to them. You see it as well in how they talk about Brexit. It's always about money. They cannot fathom how people did not wabt to be in an empire, i.e. the EU in this case, and wished instead to be an independent and sovereign nation.

Similarly, they can't understand how Trump could appeal to people who are desperately worried about the state of their country. Trump was very wise to focus on the border. A country with wide open borders might as well not be a country.

That's the US's choice. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice….etc.

I guess having previously lived and worked in the US I don't labour any false aspirations for the place.

Ironically I was there when Trump was making a name for himself in NY in the late 80s, he claimed it was he that cleaned up Atlantic City and solved the mob issue there. They were long by then and I think his casinos there went bust since.

On his first victory I wondered if social media had blindsided politics, but nah, he's actually pretty representative of the average US attention span.

Trying getting fruit picking, nannys, nursing home staff etc.. without illegal immigrants in the US.

It's been like that since I was laboured in the US in the 80s.

If anything we could benefit after the UK labour party burned bridges with trump recently. If trump throws the toys out of the pram and drives a hard bargain with the UK we could pick up a few American companies who could bring their workforce with them.

Trump might publicly endorse Farage and reform and state they'd do a good trade deal if they ever returned to government. He'll want his pals regaining power.

Another thing people need to understand is that hardly anyone bothers with social media, particularly Twitter, and so it isn't representative of public opinion. The media are obsessed with it, but hardly anyone bothers with them either, so they too should be ignored. But people sometimes talk about how people on Twitter are going crazy about such and such a thing or about how "Twitter erupts". They're a loud and noisy minority that should be ignored. A bit like the crowd on reddit. If you spent five minutes on that website reading about the US you would think that the entire population of the country was made up of so-called progressives only.

It's a waste of time point out Trump's own policy contradictions with his admirers. It's all narcissism.

MAGA just means "me first".

So I get that if you're a legit immigrant from a Hispanic background, that you are likely to not be supportive of illegal immigrants.

Do they think that Trumps plan, enacted by like some unpleasant individuals, to deport all illegals won't sweep up a pile of people who may be legal but the wrong colour?

I'd be pretty willing to bank on their being more families split and repeats of the holding camps previously used.

Plus, I believe that illegals contribute something close to 100bn a year into the social welfare/medicare pot, and do all of those jobs that no Americans want to do.

I'd imagine the building trade, restaurants, farms, etc... will be decimated.

The same way that a lot of similar industries in the UK took an absolute hammering post brexit when the Europeans, etc...weren't arriving for fruit picking season, etc...

If you spend 4 years (really the last 8 years I guess) vilifying a group within the economy, it does eventually take hold, especially with the way people consume their info these days.

Also, I think that Biden will actually ultimately be looked back on as a successful president in terms of accomplishments. People look at the outward facing doddery old man that's been president and say...he's incompetent and ineffective. There's a good, and balanced Swamp Notes piece on it in the FT (can't share it with non subscribers). It's titled "Is Biden's legacy dependent on a Trump defeat?" for those that want to do some digging.

I think as well when it came to mobilising the ground troops and getting out and voting, the Republicans did it with more intensity and effort.

Democrats didn't want to put the work in.

You should be more concerned about what damage our morons here will do to the economy, than Trump. You can laugh at him all you like , unlike every single politician who will run here in a few weeks, he has nerves, determination of steel, he doesn't try to be all things to all people. The reckless giveaway budget we just observed here, be more concerned about that , than goings on, that you have no control over...

If SF were doing as well as they had been, yes that massive bribe or horrendous economic mismanagement, would have been more understandable, there was no need for it, we are and we're getting another term of lots said nothing done ffg governance...

I thought everybody knew that all of Trump's promises were to hype up his supporters and even gain more so he could win. And after he wins, he would do whatever he wants

I see that Simon Harris has congratulated Trump: OK part of normal courtesy. I look forward to Michael D Higgins congratulating him. Just about the only consolation is to think of Michael D's squirming - this is after his sucking up to Iran.

This clip explains the whole thing. I think if the Democrats don't take this cnn commentators perspective in to consideration that they will be out for 3 terms and fall even further.

They won't, they'll never accept that people thry see as beneath them could have a point.

https://twitter.com/AaronBastani/status/1854213783482147320

They won't but I hope they would.

It's about impressing each other, not the electorate. Echo chamber

I can see a load of president pardons on the way for the insurrection.

Youre right, im mainly referring to the general massive increase in spending and their addiction to bloating the welfare spend... nothing surer than the Irish government, hammering middle and high income earners to pay for the world's largest welfare state...

How much better off will someone on say 24k be next year and how about someone on JSA?