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Dublins Q102

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭nonetheless


    Exactly, but folks can see through it as clearly as you stated: You'd never do a press release saying…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Shan Doras


    So the rumour is Ryan Tubridy on breakfast on Katherine Thomas on drive on Q102/LMFM/95/C103?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭GSF


    so 7-10 networked, 10-3 station specific, 3-6 networked?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭john457


    I can’t understand a regulator to stand by and allow that to happen. Not really fair. If it goes through, local radio in Limerick would be 10am until 3pm and 7 to 8 in the evening, since 96Fm simulcasts the HitMix on Live 95 from 8 to 12.

    In England this happened extensively years ago but that was before social media.

    Surely social media would have some influence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Shan Doras


    I don't know for sure but it looks to me like the regulator has become a lot more lax in recent years, for example they were totally fine with the relaying of Tubs Virgin uk show on Q102 whereas years ago, they said no to Radio Ireland relaying the Howard Stern show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭Lord Nelson


    The so called regulator has been asleep at the wheel for years. Their main focus appears to protect the existing operators, make sure no new players get on the field and stifle any real diversity. Nearly two years on, CNAM has a website that’s still a work in progress with the old BAI site still live. They’re supposed to be regulating social media and they can’t even sort their own!!!



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    Scotts Been around since the Lite FM days I think?

    I didn't realise how bad the ratings were for Today FM in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Scott Williams has been there since the very beginning. As well as being a presenter, he was Assistant Programming Director (or a similar title) of Lite FM. Eventually he went on to be the Chief Executive of Lite FM/Q102 before Wireless took over the ownership along with FM104. Until a few years ago, Scott was still a regular presenter. Venetia Quick is the only other person left on the broadcasting side of the house that goes back to Lite FM, and I think she was there from the start as well. If memory serves me right, initially she used to contribute to Mike Maloney's show in the afternoon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,547 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    A dreadful excuse for a station but it's not the only one unfortunately.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭GSF


    Sunshine and 98FM seem to have benefited at Q’s expense, picking up their audience at either end of the spectrum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Sunshines continued growth is perhaps more reflective of the changing demographic of radio listeners .

    The demographic shift now affecting Q102s ratings and the only real long term option is to streamline and cut costs.

    Sunshines heavily rotated playlist and voice tracked programming is benefitting for now imho



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Sunshine 106.8 is basically targeting the audience that Lite FM used to target.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭nonetheless


    Music Mix/MOR/AC type formats have become oversaturated in the Dublin market. Whether it's Nova, Classic Hits, Today FM, 98FM or Q102 they are really just a different side to the same coin. Sooner or later the listener turns off or moves on. That being said, it would not be a good idea to replicate another Sunshine 106.8 because it seems to be displaying growth for now. Dublin needs a radio station that sounds different from the rest but not niche and it's been needing it for a very long time. Those JNLR figures are very much reflective of that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Niche is all very fine but is there a business model that will work taking into account the current regulations.

    History has shown that niche formats cannot survive - Country 106.8, Phantom, Lite, 4FM etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭nonetheless


    And that is why I specifically stated 'not niche' as there are alternatives to the formats which are currently being played by the majority of radio stations in Dublin and nationwide, alternatives which would allow a particular radio station to remain within the mainstream.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    In the Dublin market Is format and niche /not niche the same thing?,

    The licence conditons imho make format changes difficult if not impossible; you can't put an hot hits format on an AC station?,

    What format change could be made to Q102 given the restrictions in its licence and ita requirement to make a return for it's shareholders?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭nonetheless


    Response to Infoanon:

    To answer your first paragraph response, let me just simply say No.

    License conditions do exist for some franchises but not for all. Most of the radio stations in Dublin and nationwide choose AC/Music Mix type formats due to their ability to produce healthy revenues and their advertising agency friendliness - making them a safe bet for the investors/owners.

    Q102 could move towards a HotAC format and still fulfill it's commitment to it's awarded license conditions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,547 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    There's got to be a better way than playing Aerosmith and Coldplay on repeat - which is what Nova is turning into. 🙄

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,785 ✭✭✭ford fiesta




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭nonetheless


    If you look at Nova's playlist and cross reference it with RTE Gold you find there is very little difference. But from a music output perspective, why would you want to listen to Nova when you can basically get the same music on RTE Gold without the (and as Chris would describe it -pardon the Nova pun) clutter?

    Now - talking of license conditions, Nova applied for what was essentially supposed to be a rock radio station license. If Brannigan can morph it into an AC/Classic Hits/Gold format and the powers that be permit it, then Q102 should have no problem flipping to HotAC. They could have a very good unique sound if they were to do it properly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Hot AC demographic is younger listeners , Q102 licence is for the over 35s,

    Regulations define the format.

    Re Nova , there is no comparison of the random RTE Gold playlist to the highly formatted and tightly produced Nova 100 output.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭nonetheless


    Wrong- HotAC is targeted towards the 18-55 age group. Get your facts right!!

    Wrong again regulations do not precisely define the format (and btw you didn't know the difference between format and niche a couple of posts ago) Nova are definitely not adhering to such.

    Explain how Nova is highly formatted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 808 ✭✭✭TheBMG


    I think it’s fair to say that regulations have played a role in defining the Hot AC role in this country. The Irish stations have usually far higher talk content than stations in a similar format around the world. They’ve also had a heavy local music quota along with other rules and requirements.

    Isn’t it also fair to describe Novas music as being quite tightly playlisted? There was a definite rethink of its rotations and lists when the current programming team went in (which has paid off for them).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭nonetheless


    Response to TheBMG:

    The radio station regulations are not defining any particular music radio format to the point that it is unrecognizable or a lost cause. It is the Irish radio industry itself that simply contains a snub culture of programmers and presenters such as yourself who believe that what they are doing is correct and scoff at anyone who may have a different opinion. Any amount of talking and music quotas that you have mentioned can be managed effectively. You are really talking complete BS now, which is not surprising btw as your attitudes and culture are part responsible for some of these embarrassing ratings, with your radio station being a classic example.

    Between Nova and RTE Gold, Joe Listener doesn't care whether if it is viewed that one of them maybe 'tight' or 'highly formatted' by folks within the industry. It is their listening experience and what they get from that radio station that matters. People like you have been in the Irish radio industry too long and have become institutionalised to it's culture, working at a radio station churning out a slit your wrist format and presentation which has hemorrhaged listeners over the past 15 years. You are simply not in a position to lecture me or put me straight as to the workings of formatted music radio whether it be in Ireland or abroad.

    Good luck with that Saturday gig btw and kindly let your radio tree house mate do his own talking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Q102s market is >35.

    Hot AC is the younger demographic, as you stated yourself ,18s+ ,Q cannot go for that market.

    To suggest that Nova is not highly formatted is frankly wrong. They have also made it a success which brings us back to business model in Ireland.

    I know the difference between niche and format , my point is that regulations in Ireland (which apply to playlists as well btw) mean niche and format cannot be distinguished, as shown by the Q102 example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭nonetheless


    Response to Infoanon:

    The HotAC format allows for a wide ranging demographic. Q102 are already displaying a signature of HotAC by simulcasting The Ryan Tubridy Show using a VRUK play out. Noticable to the point that Brannigan allegedly complained about it.

    That gets me back to Nova, if Nova can mould what was supposed to be a rock station into an MOR/Classic Hits/AC/Gold outlet, well I am sure that Q102 are well within a position to negotiate or request an extension of IT'S demographic. And even if that was not permitted, they could still work that format pretty well with their limited demographic spectrum.

    Nor should they.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Shan Doras


    Surely age demographics have massively shifted in radio the past couple of decades? Like I would guess that both 98fm & Today FMs target market now is 35/54 which was lite FMs target back in 2000 but obviously a 41yo in 2000 is an oap Today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,547 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭nonetheless


    Yes, the platform. Having said that I am making a comparison but personally I don't listen to RTE Gold anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 808 ✭✭✭TheBMG


    shush, there’s a self proclaimed expert rage-splaining radio to us!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭nonetheless


    I never 'self proclaimed' anything. I just call it as it is and it is by no means exaggeration. You should really just be concentrating on improving your own presentation and listenership figures!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 808 ✭✭✭TheBMG


    Honestly? You’re unable to disagree politely with long term users like infoanon who have contributed more to this forum than you have.


    From your aggressive tone and condescending attitude I’ve guessed what re-reg you are, but unlike yourself I don’t make it a hobby to try and dox other users so that secret is safe with me. You’ll catch more flies with honey!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Stations target markets don't change , that's why you see eg Sunshine gaining so many listeners as the radio listening audience matures , add in the elephant in the room that younger people don't listen to traditional radio and you can see difficulties ahead .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭nonetheless


    See, that is such a typical answer from you and a classic example of why the ratings of your radio station are so bad.

    As far as your radio thread buddy mate is concerned, he is no position to criticize my response to his.

    Go ahead dox me!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 808 ✭✭✭TheBMG


    from my reading of the results (not just Ireland, but globally) radios big problem is that people are listening (even the under 25s) but they’re listening for less and less time. This is especially noticeable with the under 25s. Reach on the stations hasn’t eroded terribly but time spent listening has.

    That said ‘younger’ stations have been on a bit of an upswing in the last 12 months. Z100 doing very well again in the States; locally you’ve a very healthy battle between Spin and 104 (who I’d describe as more Hot AC but let’s not start that again). There’s some good musical product (Chappel Roan, Sabrina Carpentrr) out there so perhaps that’s helping.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭nonetheless


    Any input I have made to this thread has been genuine, unlike your trolling of the Tubridy thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭nonetheless


    Just making excuses for yourself, it sounds pretty pathetic given the latest JNLR's. But look, keep going God loves a tryer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,864 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    Dare I say that Z100 has gone back to its Hot Hits roots.…, the quality 'pop' music being produced at the moment I would agree is a factor, I would go as far as saying a primary factor in their success.

    The time spent listening by younger demographics is interesting .

    Both Spin and FM104 have had a good book , 99FM is a surprise though, I expected a continued downwards trend......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 144 Upper Leeson Street


    Q was rudderless for a long time! Ah Jaysus Buddy was all about 104 and had no real interest in Q so it just ticked along without any real direction. Here is a station that is supposed to be over 35 aiming at 60 year olds and then Scott just let it slide further never really replacing DK until Phil Manzor came along. A lot of great people did the work without reward for a long time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 389 ✭✭nonetheless


    Spin: 7.1%

    FM104: 7.3%

    98FM: 5.5%

    Would you be proud of that? Well, whatever you think yourself.. but I would not insult the intelligence of folks who genuinely appreciate radio and find that its in a bad place.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    Lads, can you take the bitching private?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 869 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    Between this post and your many alter egos, how many people have you accused of being Butters now?

    Butters certainly does appear to live rent free in your mind(s).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Paterson Jerins


    The posting style seems so familiar. Can't quite put my finger on it.

    Randy savage was a great wrestler btw.

    Or maybe he'll probably start a thread asking to be a mod?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 869 ✭✭✭Peter Dragon


    I know, even Sherlock Holmes couldn’t solve this mystery. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

    He’s not even trying to hide it anymore - the same posting style, sentence structure etc. complete with the usual insults that anyone who doesn’t think Tubridy in the greatest broadcaster is the history of the world is an unemployed male with no family or life etc.

    🙄


    Hopefully the moderators take action. EVERYONE KNOWS WHO THIS IS.

    Post edited by Peter Dragon on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 144 Upper Leeson Street


    Redundancies kick in from the end of this month.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,881 ✭✭✭GSF


    Happy Christmas from Q102!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭Muller1991




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Shan Doras


    All the Dublin radio stations have been just ticking over for years without much of note happening, the only thing that's really changed the past 15 years is shows are now 5/6 hours long instead of 2/4 hours. I think its long overdue for a Station like Q102 to reassess who it's for, indeed naming yourself after an 1980s pirate station may have been relevant to 40 something Dubliners in 2004 but it's not relevant to 40 something Dubliners today in 2024.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 6,876 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sheep Shagger


    Yeah can see a rebranding on the cards once they've let go of some staff. Could see more networking from the Wireless group to trim costs?

    I remember when it rebranded from Lite to Q102 (Ray Shah anyone ?!? Branding was more purple from memory too).



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