The case against average speed cameras

Comp-lete BS and you know it, hopefully.

None of the above are breaking a law that is poorly enforced

This makes absolutely no sense.

They are reducing deaths, so indeed ARE part of the solving the problem.

No its just my response to people who get unhealthily aroused coming up with ideas to hound drivers, the vast majority of whom drive safely, especially on Motorways which are the safest roads in the country.

TBH I get the feeling drivers should just agree to install trackers in their cars combined with internal cameras that monitor every movement and display any undesirable activity (eg nose picking) on large screens in public places. I'm just wondering if that would even satisfy the lust🤣

I based my comment on driving with cruise control at the speed limit on both motorways.

And your comment proves my point. In the Irish example you speed is set higher, but in the UK example it’s relatively higher to the speed limit. In your example you are speeding in the UK but not Ireland. lol

I think you’ve misunderstood something in my posts. Exceeding means driving faster than, ie speeding. Braking hard for speed cameras backs up what I said.

From experience UK drivers obey rules far more than Irish drivers. Perhaps because enforcement has always been far greater. Thats not mutually exclusive with some of them speeding.

And it's not having a misleading impression because our speed limits are different. Your looking at the speedometer you can see everyone's speed relative to your own.

Most with experience driving in Ireland know theres a lot of people driving over the limit. It's not imagination. There are studies and stats to back that up.

Why the **** is everyone in a hurry ? Do they feel compromised or inadequate in some other aspect of their life ?

I didn't dispute people drive over the speed limit in Ireland. As I said, you clearly misunderstood something I said. I'm not sure how, it wasn't complicated. I said it happens in the UK too, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen in ireland.

I also point out the different speedlimits can be misleading. Post above proved that by explaining that he drives over the UK speed limit but under the Irish one.

Drive from dublin to belfast on the M1. The speed limit drops from 120 to 112 at the border. some cars slow, many still boot along at 125-130. Other roads are the same.
If the average speed north of the border is 120, and the average speed south of the border is 125. They are slower, but still speeding by a relatively greater amount. That's what I refered to as misleading.

It is definitely not to the same standard as the M1 in RoI. But surely that, and the fact people routinely do 120+ on it, only strengthens my point.

I also referenced above that the UK's threshold spec for top limit is lower than ours. If the A1 were in the republic it would be a 100km road at most, and only in parts.

Where did I allude to anyone being misled? What does that even mean? The M1 was just an example.

I'm pointing out that they drive as much above above their speed limit, as we do above ours. In all the UK. I've explained this to you multiple times i've no clue what you are not getting.

I'm also not sure how a driver clocked at 238km/h on the M2 counters anything I've said. It's quite literally an example of insane speeding in the UK.

Agreed. Toxic driving more and more prevalent now, and previous regard for speed limits has ebbed away as the realisation of basic unenforcement filters through the population.

Drivers (like people in general) are more self-obsessed than they used to be, their self-importance prominently displayed in their desire to get everywhere quickly, even when not in a hurry.

Can only see that turning to ill will towards the gardai and any effort they're making, tbh speeding's not the problem anyway, it's attitude, as mentioned above the self importance and agression I'm seeing on the raod every day is ridiculous, it's like treating the symptom wtihout attacking the illness so to speak.

I personally think that average speed cameras are a classic case of policing on the cheap and really enforces the stereotype of 'shooting fish in a barrel' - especially as they're being put on on motorways. Add to that the fact that the thresholds of the cameras are ridiculously low (circa 5%) and it really packs a punch in the gut.

Traffic policing numbers need to be boosted considerably - they're still a fraction of what they were during the boom. At least that way the genuinely dangerous roads can be policed in a way that a camera cannot.

Enforcement and penalties are the solution, set a schedule of excesses: 50% over the limit roadside crusher

75% over limit as above plus mandatory jail sentence, with no bail prior to court case which should be next day as per riots in UK

arrested,treid and jailed all in 24hrs

It will catch habitual speeders.

it's always on the gardai to enforce the laws, every summons has to be signed off and like it or not the gardai will be blamed, they've been targetting speeders since the 60s now, that hasn't worked too well, the methods change but the end result is the same ;) treating symptoms just doesn't work, I believe it can be cured, just need to look at things differently, the old tough justice thing is comical.

Wasn't referring to garda tough justice, just the posters seeking it and yes, I believe, the requirements on the gardai would puit them off doing anything, problem won't be solved by fines and points though.