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Maritime News Thread

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    This is a great read regarding the naval chaos in the Red Sea.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,362 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    An unusual spot for 4 ships (and possibly a 5th), all destined for Dublin Port, to anchor? What's wrong with the usual anchorage on the south side of Dublin Bay?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,555 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    Maybe the weather, you don't want to anchor where you might be quickly blown towards land if something goes wrong. Or just a more sheltered spot for this weather




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,362 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Mmmm.... maybe.

    But I've spent a lot of time over the years in Dublin Bay, and I've seen ships at anchor in the official anchorage in all sorts of weather (way worse than what we're having today/this week).

    And I don't ever recall seeing ships at anchor off Bray. I don't think you'd get much more shelter there in the current winds than you would on the official anchorage.

    Anyway, it just struck me as strange.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,973 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Do ships have to pay a fee to anchor in the Dublin Bay anchorage?

    Im guessing yes as otherwise why does the W.B. Yeats loiter just off Lambay Island on its off days instead of just going to the anchorage for the few hours it needs to vacate the berth in Dublin for the other Irish Ferries ships…

    so maybe it’s so save a few quid for the owners?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,362 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    That might have something to do with it.

    But a bunch of them at anchor off Bray is something I've never seen before - and I do remember one ship on the anchorage for months on end because the company had gone bankrupt, or some such story - the sailors were effectively prisoners on board.

    I'm sure there's a perfectly logical explanation for it, but I'd love to know for sure!

    ETA - there's another two that haven't anchored, but one is doing laps just north of Wicklow, and the other one has been hanging around and has just been across to Wales and back.

    All waiting for the lads in Dublin Port to finish the Christmas dinner?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,372 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    I live in Greystones and there are ships anchored off Bray Head from time to time, sometimes for several days. Here's a pic from today

    I don't see how they could enforce a fee for anchoring in Dublin Bay though, surely if you're outside the harbour you can drop anchor where you like (provided you're not in a shipping lane)



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    There's currently 7 vessels anchored between Killiney and Greystones, with another that has spent the best part of the last 24 hours sailing up and down the Wicklow/Dublin coastline.

    Dublin port boundaries extend from Howth across to Dalkey island (not in a straight line), I would imagine anyone anchoring within the boundary would be required to pay fees, but am open to correction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,973 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    That was my train of thought too…. The limit of DPC is a series of lines from the Bailey - North Burford - South Burford - Dalkey Island, so anyone using the anchorage would most likely have to pay,.. so those that elect to stay outside have obviously weighed up the cost of DPC anchorage against the fuel cost to just tinker up and down the coast, or go the ultimate cost saving route and anchor outside DPC area, which is obviously less sheltered.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭g0g


    Never remember boats anchoring off Bray while growing up. Seems to just be a new thing in recent years. Here's a pic of the 7 visible from the prom today.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭scotchy



    Is ships anchoring in Dublin bay not a relatively recent thing too? The sight of 3 or 4 ships anchored in sight of Dun Laoghaire pier is something that has only started in the last 10 or so years, maybe a bit longer from my memory.

    I remember sailing into Athens on a ferry years ago being amazed at how many ships were at anchor there, and thinking you would never see a ship at anchor in Dublin bay.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Weather bound vessels sheltering inside the pilotage district and not proceeding to the Quays or Docks of Dublin or Dun Laoghaire:

    50% of pilotage rates

    Costs money to hang out there "Waiting On Weather".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,010 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Seems to be a backlash against LNG powerered ships because of the emissions, it had been hailed as the future, some new container ships also fitted out with engines running on it.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,096 ✭✭✭✭neris


    The green cult won't be happy till we're back in caves with no farting cows to eat or anything to transport ourselves around in. Unfortunately for the green cult the only reliable sources of long serving fuel sources are fossil fuels



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,010 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Cranes knocked out by containership in Evyap, Turkey...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭scotchy


    💙 💛 💙 💛 💙 💛



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,573 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,573 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Appears to be ship lost power/steerage and ploughed straight into bridge support pier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    There were 2 pilots on board but apparently lost power

    Chartered by Maersk.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,573 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Yip....saw a video which shows two separate power failures on the ship (at least the ship goes completely dark twice) immediately before the collision. When power restored second time you can see thick smoke from the funnel - obviously engine full power ahead to try for quick turn (or full power in reverse), but, to no avail. Not much pilots or captain can do in a power failure situation!

    Looking at ariel pictures of the bridge, pre collapse, the absence of protection/dolphins to the main support piers is pretty shocking.

    I know all good to say in hindsight, but you would have to assume it reasonably foreseeable that someday a support pier to a bridge like that, given it's on route to very busy port, will get hit by a ship.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,096 ✭✭✭✭neris


    See someone already has a picture up on the ships profile on marine traffic with a span of bridge across her



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Fun times for the Stena crew and passengers.

    Stena Line passengers travelling to Belfast faced a long delay following a security alert on Easter Monday.

    The vessel was preparing to depart Cairnryan when a “malicious call” was made onboard the ferry at around 11pm.

    As a result, all travellers were forced to disembark the vessel to allow police to conduct searches.


    Police Scotland spokesperson said officers “responded to what is now believed to be a malicious call on board a vessel at Cairnryan Ferry Terminal, Stranraer.

    "The vessel was evacuated as a precaution.

    "Officers conducted searches and no suspicious items were found.

    “Enquiries are ongoing to establish the full circumstances."

    Stena Line confirmed the 11.30pm sailing to Belfast was delayed for around three and a half hours due to the security scare.

    “Stena Superfast VII departed Cairnryan at 03:00hrs on Tues April 2 once cleared to do so.

    "Normal service has resumed on the route this morning.

    “Passenger and crew safety is always Stena Line’s number one priority, the company would like to apologise to customers for the delay and any inconvenience caused.”

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/stena-line-passengers-travelling-to-belfast-forced-to-evacuate-due-to-security-alert/a850806987.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,482 ✭✭✭✭josip




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 880 ✭✭✭Boardnashea


    The article says the regulation came into force on 1/7/24 so how are they fined on 18/6/24, or am I missing something?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    In read it as banned in Norwegian waters since 2022 and the rest of the Arctic waters from 1/7/24 .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,482 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I'm not a maritime lawyer (thankfully) but other sites say they were fined for "carrying heavy fuel oil" breaching regulations that have been in place since 2022.

    https://www.biofuelsdigest.com/bdigest/arctic-breach-irish-cargo-ship-fined-nok-1-million-for-hfo-violation/

    "Starting July 1, 2024, the MARPOL convention’s Regulation 43A will ban the use and carriage of heavy fuel oils in Arctic waters". So maybe the Arklow wind was carrying, not using. But the Arklow Wind is not an oil tanker, so I don't know how it would have been "carrying".

    https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/details/9818943



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,935 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I assume one of the concerns is the clean up in case of accident..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,555 ✭✭✭✭Ghost Train


    The link below says impossible to clean up and the emissions speeding up melting of ice

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpv3dk4ydr3o



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,010 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    'Hit and run' with a supertanker 😁.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,010 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    I see the seized tobacco smuggling ship MV Shingle is to be towed from New Ross and sank this Sunday to form an artificial reef in Killala Bay, should be an interesting attraction for the area…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,010 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    This ship was originally bound for Lithuania from Russia with a cargo of ammonium nitrate but has been denied entry to Klaipeda. Its current destination is listed as Marsaxlokk, in Malta but the Maltese authorities have refused entry unless the cargo is unloaded beforehand.

    It's now anchored off Kent near the Dover Straights one of the world's busiest waterways. Given the cargo it's unlikely to be welcomed in to many ports following the incident in Beirut involving the same cargo in storage.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭fergal.b


    That's a big bomb, don't think I would like to be mooring up alongside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,935 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Whats the actual problem, is the cargo in a poor state ?or is it the ship?

    I think ammonium nitrate gets shipped all the time ..so it's not the type of cargo

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,973 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    We've a holiday home about 35km from Klaipeda, and our neighbour keeps his boat in Klaipeda too, so only too happy to see this load turned away…

    Meanwhile Lithuania are realising that having only 1 port (Klaipeda), which is within easy reach of Russia by land, sea & air isn't the best idea, so are pumping money into developing an old dilapidated fishing harbour in a town called Sventoji into a modern marina, with facilities to boot… This is the town we have our home in, so it's great to see these facilities going in…

    This is how it was;

    And this is where they got to last year… (as from being there a few weeks ago, some pontoons have gone in)

    It won't be a massive harbour, but already a sailing school has sprung up, and I'm sure they'll be able to base a few patrol boats here too…

    1 of the main issues has always been silting up of the entrance, but now the parliament has uninamiously backed the final steps in the upgrade works they can take care of it..

    This is the ultimate long term goal…

    Interesting read here (which includes stories of the Port's quite turbulent past, including the English having to be burned out of Sventoji briefly)

    https://sventosiosuostas.lt/en/about-us/

    So AndyBoBandy's plan to retire off to Lithuania and bring the boat with me is alive and well!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,973 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    just the €5.3m to store the seized MV Matthew over the last 13 months…..

    I see another MV Shingle on the cards here….. only a lot more expensive!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    You’d expect them to recoup that cost from the owners/insurers/sale of assets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,010 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Yes they apparently have a full maintenance crew aboard keeping it ship shape. I suppose unlike Shingle this should have a resale value when it's no longer required to be kept by the State, that said you might be looking at 1 or 2 million after expenses are deducted, still a plus I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    There's no resale value,her time is up, scrap value



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,935 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    How could it be 100 grand a week, ? I understand it's in berth ,

    Although I do question why port of cork would be charging that much for just berthing a ship for what was always going to be at least a year.I understand that basic maintenance needs to be done , but that would have been separate to berthing fees

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,973 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I do question why port of cork would be charging that much for just berthing a ship 

    The berthing fee’s are the berthing fee’s though, and Revenue won’t get a special rate because it’s a seized ship!!!!

    €100k a week berthage doesn’t sound that outlandish in fairness!! It’s just over €14k per day….. ships get in and get back out as fast as possible so as to minimise such costs…. And even if they foresee delays, they’d rather sit outside the harbour at anchor than delay in port paying those rates…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,935 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I dunno , I suppose It depends, if the berth is in demand then its commercial interest , if it's being put in a "storage berth " for months on end then I'd expect a much reduced rate , these things can always be negotiated , especially if it's your 100% shareholder , that wants the deal , could be remembered when next looking for finding ..

    I'm more Inclined to think no one in revenue pushed for a lower storage rate ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭Bogwoppit


    Would cost probably 250k/year just on insurance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Harbour fees, maintenance crew salary, insurance, safety equipment will have to be kept to standard,so annual service fees,,oils and service for engines,tugs every time she is moved, the list goes on,,sell to a scrap yard as quick as legally possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,482 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I suppose the "two days you're happy" saying about boats applies to states also, not just individuals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,010 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151




  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,573 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    If your broadband goes down!

    https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2024/1115/1481145-russian-spy-ship-confirmed-to-be-operating-off-dublin-near-cables/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,010 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    That might explain the buffering on Netflix last night for the boxing 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,010 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    I see BBC have a 1 hour documentary tonight on the Baltimore bridge collapse after the containership Dali collided with it in March, might be of interest.

    BBC1 at 9pm…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,973 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Meanwhile all sailings in and out of Holyhead are on hold since the Ulysses had a bit of a ‘prang’ on Friday!!



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