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Fluorescent Lighting in Sheds Help Please

  • 16-11-2024 09:13PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,155 ✭✭✭✭


    My father is down to his last fluorescent light bar in the sheds and Im trying to source replacements for all the broken ones (definitely the units themselves not the bulbs I checked) but the ones that were put in originally are either sold out or impossible to find. These are the ones that are installed and I need exact equivalents because of space/wiring:

    Philips Waterproof Batten TCW060 HF | 120cm - Suitable For 2x36W T8 Fluorescent Tube

    https://www.any-lamp.ie/philips-tcw060-2x-tl-d-36w-hf

    I dont care if the replacements arent Philips so long as they're the same spec, does anyone know any other suppliers or just the correct terminology to search for, I assume theres some kind of industrial standard to this kind of thing but Google is no help, thanks.

    Doesnt even have to be fluorescent Id take LEDs aswell so long as the size is right and they take the same cable…

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭SuperTortoise


    There's a starter in those lights, might not be the bulb that's gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,155 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    No no starter, its a ballast thing like a control box inside them, I can get those handy enough but not sure thats the problem, those are supposed to last 20 years and they're gone in 5 on these…

    https://www.any-lamp.ie/philips-hf-s-258-tl-d-ii-220-240v-50-60hz-8711500999085



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,155 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Never thought of Screwfix, these LED light bars would probably do the job wouldnt they?

    https://www.screwfix.ie/p/ansell-tornado-single-5ft-led-non-corrosive-batten-fitting-28-30w-3230lm-230v/497pg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,423 ✭✭✭SuperTortoise


    That light is small money, Ansell are a good brand, i have several Ansell floodlights that i can't fault.

    The one you linked is 5ft, the one you are replacing is 4 ft so you'll definately have plenty of cable for the new lights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,155 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Oh good catch thanks Ill get these 4ft ones, sorry for all the questions but I should be able to use the existing cable thats in the shed already shouldnt I? As in it will just plug in on one side. Reviews sound like its an easy install anyway, Im going to chance it, thanks a million:

    https://www.screwfix.ie/p/ansell-tornado-twin-4ft-led-non-corrosive-batten-fitting-40w-4425lm-230v/518pg



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    I put up 6 of them screwfix light during the week, but the twin version. The ones you have attached are a single version. It's the equivalent of a single tube vs a twin tube. Worth the small bit more to go for twin to throw more light. Fine fitting with good light and would have no issues using them. Replaced tube fittings that went up in 1997

    Small tip with these is make sure to drill the cable knockout for the gland with a hole saw as it doesn't knock out clean on these



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    A lot of the time knocking out plastic knockouts damages the equipment

    Metal is usually safe to do so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭The Nutty M


    You could just convert the fluorescent tubes to LED. Take out all the ballast/starters etc and wire them up direct. It's the simplest way and does away with the need to take down one fitting and put another back up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    There can be a couple of variables with the led tube type

    By the time ya take all the clips off and on and rewiring etc you've still an old light with reduced efficiency compared to new

    A new light can be simply 2 clips at the back and connect a lead into a box



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,599 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Fitted 4 of those lights to replace the single 100W bulb my dad used to light his shed.

    Super simple job.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    If it's a typical slatted working off a double extension ladder

    You want to be doing a straight swop for a new light



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,155 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Yeah thats the plan the 4ft screwfix LEDs will be perfect thanks.

    Tbh while I was up there I washed a layer of sh1te off the glass on the one remaining working one and now it lights up the whole shed by itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,155 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    They're called Batten lights for future reference if anyone comes across this thread btw, thats why Google was offering me nothing but crap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭CrazyEric


    I think your existing fittings are 5 foot. I know it comes up as a 4 foot in the link but the photo you show of the existing one is a 2 x 58w fitting which is a 5 foot. Measure twice, cut once.

    If you can see inside the back of the original fitting check where the terminals are, if they are off to one end and your new fittings are in the centre you may have problems wiring.

    I learned these things the hard way unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Ther terminals are at one end on old lites

    Usually a PVC cable gland in end of lite and a short bit of flex out to a jointbox

    The new lites should have a similar arrangement supplied with a short lead or you fit one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,298 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    If putting up new units, either 4 foot or 5, then an extension ladder isn't good enough.

    You are going to be holding a light unit in one hand, and probably a battery drill in the other while trying to co-ordinate the two to run in a Tek screw.

    Unless you have 3 arms this leaves you balancing up a ladder 18 feet above the ground/feet passage .

    Hire, buy or borrow a few lifts of quick stage scaffolding, or get someone with a Teleporter and a proper man cage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭Good loser


    Would that scaffolding cost much - say up to 12 feet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭anthony500_1


    IMG_20241120_161851_146.jpg

    I see this one in the local hardware Christmas booklet, looks like it's light duty enough but it's an idea of the price of them, working height of between 2 and 4m saucey enough even at the discounted price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    You're not holding light and drill with 2 hands

    Brackets first then light clips on

    Scaffold is great but I managed for years off a ladder on older style lights which are heavier



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    I fitted loads working as a spark off a ladder

    3 trips up the ladder

    Fit brackets , fit light to brackets and connect flex into box

    Always need someone footing ladder and ladder butted up to ceiling when fitting light to make space for light

    New lights a lot lighter but could be the scaffold would be a better method if it simplifies the work



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,203 ✭✭✭drury..


    Ya probably better job

    I've nearly stopped going up the ladders now



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