Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

Prices are not going to rise. Not in the short term anyway.

Tariffs will effectively kill off foreign competition. There will be massive loop holes and exemptions such that only end consumer products, or full products for business, will be included.

Such that business won't be effected too much. But, any potential price increases will be offset, not fully but idealogy, through corporation tax cuts.

Consumers will end up paying the same but the companies get back massive market share.

The longer term is that innovation will be stifled, lack of consumer choice and prices will rise as companies realise there is reduced competition.

Overall this isn't some consumer or domestic job lead plan. This is about protecting and increasing the profits of US companies within their own market.

Jack Smith has filed a motion to dismiss ALL charges against President Trump.

Justice has been done.

Quite obviously it hasn't. Justice must be seen to be done, and the charges are only dropped because Trump is now above the law.

Trump has singlehandedly managed to corrupt the entire judicial basis of the US.

The road map is clear. If you are rich and facing any potential charges, run for office to a) delay all cases and b) win election and get all charges dropped.

It won't be long until this precedent is filtered down to every single type of office.

'I'm running for town mayor, you can't charge me with speeding as it's clearly political'

I think any moral question is secondary to the reality of the situation. It says a lot about the state of American politics that Trump is allowed to get away with a sweeping pronouncement about deporting illegals without some very basic questions being asked about the consequences of that, such as the economic impact.

Yes, it's very likely that citizens wouldn't tolerate or couldn't tolerate being paid the kind of wages that illegals are willing to work for, by and large. The knock on effects of that would be prices being raised throughout those sectors. Not something the customers are going to enjoy.

Then again, it's not as if reactionary movements aren't perfectly willing to cut off their nose to spite their own face and Trump's voters, especially, will be happy to endure a significant amount of economic pain if they can feel like demographic change has been halted.

I don't think going after the other two groups would make much sense even from a Trumpist perspective. In a time when the US military is struggling for new recruits, trying to remove LGBT people and especially women wouldn't make much sense - it'd be a serious own goal. Trump is not a details man, by any means. He and his base would be more than satisfied with the culture war victory of removing trans people and maybe any outspoken LGBT people in the ranks of the military, but the rest wouldn't be touched.

This is one of the reasons why the cost of general foodstuffs is rising. Price gouging seems to be a way forward for big corporations.

People fell for false promises, same as the last time.

There's a pretty big difference in kicking people out who are refusing a lawful order and kicking them out for a fundamental aspect of their character. It's not against policy to be trans, or LGBT anymore, as well as being a gross violation of federal law. From a purely political point of view, it's a stupid thing to burn capital in hugely acrimonious legal fight.

So tariffs for Mexico and Canada now. He somehow thinks these will stop the flow of…checks notes…illegal drugs?

Canada could just slap a few tariffs on petroleum products, Trump would turn a different tone of orange very quickly.

It's bizarre that people focus so much on Trump's tariffs when Biden increased the tariffs he inherited from Trump.

There's a difference increasing tariffs on specific items (EV's, batteries, solar cells) as an anti dumping policy vs blanket tariffs on everything being imported in order to.... Checks notes... Pay for child care.

That isn't strictly true.

Biden replaced blanket tariffs with quota's and suspended and eliminated other Trump tariffs, specifically the blanket ones on the EU.

He is aggressively going after green tech to stimulate home growth in this sector, this in itself will not come without risk, as the costs will have to somewhat offset with grants to the consumer, etc.

Biden is using a sniper rifle, Trump will use a shotgun. But again it's the GOP who are supposed to be the Free Marketeers.

Tariffs will hurt the domestic end user, if housing was an election campaign issue, than slapping massive taxes on construction materials, fuel and construction equipment is hardly going to make housing cheaper.

That's before you even consider retaliatory tariffs. Or what slapping a 25% tax on medicines and medical equipment from Mexico will do to health care costs and outcomes.

At the end of the day though, the world economy is like water, it will eventually find it's level.

New deals will be done with the EU, China, India, etc. America will be further isolated and will have less influence and at some stage in the future will have to re-negotiate with a weaker hand.

Politically though if the likes of the EU and UK plump up their trade with the likes of China, they will be less vocal calling out any human rights abuses or aggression.

We just saw the EU tolerate Putin and his murderous ways for 2 decades until they couldn't anymore.

I think we encountered something similar from some Brexiteers regarding the pains that Brexit would bring the UK. Essentially being willing to torpedo the entire economy for the sake of some cack-headed interpretation of "Sovereignty".

Ideallogically it might seem national-romantic or heroic to endure such hardships for the Fatherland. But unlike fighting off enemies from your borders or otherwise grafting to build a nation….these particual hardships are little more than dimwitted economic kicks in the nation's head, usually designed to benefit the already wealthy and often geared to hurt those poor folk who likely voted for it in the first place.

The MAGA crowd might love the sectarian ramblings of kicking out migrants who "Took der jerbs!!", but they were jobs that they themselves didn't even want to do, or at pay rates that they would never accept. Perhaps some people in America should look at that before getting pissy at the people who travel to the US to get exploited like that.

Companies will pass on the tariffs to consumers. This is a tax on every single US citizen. I'm not sure MAGA has figured that part out yet.

I think that everyone is just being played again and again with this guy.

The ludicrous appointees, tariffs, deporatations, banning trans from the military, the endless noise and confusion. Time and time again it's an attempt to obfuscate, grab headlines and create daily talking points that distract from what he has really up to. For years the media and public has been falling for it, it's infuriating. It's what we don't see behind the deranged soundbites and proclamations that we should be worried about. Good journalism is asleep at the wheel while the late night chatshow hosts smugly laugh and guffaw at whatever the story of the day is.

As much as I despise the guy, he is a master manipulator and is playing everyone like a fiddle yet again. He should've been down and out at the end of the first presidency, and look at him now, a cast iron lock on the Presidency with almost unchecked power, surrounded by grovelling sycophants and 'yes' men. He won't make the mistakes he made the first time. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get better.

he is a master manipulator

The people behind him are the masters.

The ceasefire deal between Israel and the Hizballah Militia in Lebanon seems to involve France and the US supplying people to the monitoring group supervising the deal. I'm relying on RTE's report on the deal mentioning them as providing said supervisors.

One of President-elect Trump's team has claimed that they were involved in the work leading to the deal. The issue of the US being one of the two nations providing supervisors would seem to run contrary to Trump's position of opposing the US being involved in foreign field military operations so there might be more comments yet from his team to confirm that he approves the first comment from his team.

I think it has to do with MAGA being a bunch of hateful bigots and wanting to target minority groups they don't like. Period.

In the realm of wanting to save money from the Pentagon's budget, that's not even a rounding error. Not to mention, any purported savings will be lost in the lawsuits that follow.

It's a laughable idea, when the Pentagon has failed another audit, and has Trillions of dollars unaccounted for

Trump ringing world leaders and then tweeting out his daft interruption of the conversations.

I thought it was 1 president at a time?

Biden should test the SC ruling and have him arrested for treason.

Judging from that video released by Kamala's team yesterday, America really did make the right decision, glad common sense prevailed in the end.

Doubt they care at this stage , her internal team knew she was trailing big time during the campaign, they themselves were shocked at the media's polling. Amazing the truth came to light when the fight was over. Dem's would have stood a better chance if they held a primary. Biden should have dropped out a year ago. Not Kamalas fault tbf she was up against all odds, which is a great song btw, I'm quoting phil collins now, showing my age 😅

There was also likely a motive of payback, lot of reports about how horrible she was to staff.

Phil Collins had some good ones, must look that up.