Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

Bazzo · 19-05-2019 2:46pm

Absolute mind****, does that make him like a triple agent or something?

mun1 · 19-05-2019 2:46pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

You do realise the IRFU plough a LOT of money into Munster every year like all provinces. Maybe Leinster just make better decisions?

Ok, then maybe the IRFU should put the people in place at munster who would make the same decisions .
I’m open to that as are all munster fans on this thread.
They do own and control both teams after all.

Burkie1203 · 19-05-2019 2:48pm

mun1 wrote: »

Ok, if you say so .
Why so angry, your team deservedly won yesterday, are you not happy ?
A lot of leinsterboys very angry on here today. Why ?
It’s only a game after all

How much are the IRFU still owed by Munster for the Thomond Park redevelopment?

The Lost Sheep · 19-05-2019 2:51pm

kingofthekong wrote: »

Munster have a talent development issue and so do Ulster , the quality of player coming out of the academies isn't good enough to compete at the top level and win silverware, how they change this I'm not sure , Ulster keep producing talented you backs - but haven't produced a decent forward since Henderson, Munster had a nice prospect in Bill Johnston but decided to bring in Carbery instead, Forwards wise Munster have also struggled in recent years with JOD probably being the best but even he isn't near the level of some of the Leinster products,

Munster have a development issue but its quite different from Ulsters. Bill Johnson had injury issues and then there was Bleyendaal as well so bringing in a Carbery was a no brainer and JOD has had to adjust considerably as with POM and Stander in place for trying to play in the bigger games he's been asked to try play 7 and that isnt his position. He was rated at 20s as extremely good but at pro level expected to play out of position considering other backrowers in the province.

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Munsters big issue for next season now is the RWC.

Potentially 8 players will travel from this group
POM Stander Murray Carbery Farrell Earls Beirne Kilcoyne Scannell Conway Ryan

New coaches and a core group of first XV won't be around for pre season etc. These players feed back in a few weeks before the European games begin. Can see the word transition being used a lot by comms next season

Would think world cup is a good thing if it can help settle without these guys.

Erik Shun wrote: »

I don't think the word transition will be used tbf, we have younger players like Goggin, Nash, Sweetnam, Wycherley, JOD, Arnold, wootton, Scott etc who will want to step up for a few months and show their worth.
Also rumours of a signing or 2 in the pipeline, so if we get the right coaching ticket in place (not too worried about defence.. attack is the issue) we could hit the ground running

It wont or at least shouldnt be used. All the guys you mention are now in their mid 20s so have to be stepping up big time

Former Former wrote: »

Munster will do very well during the RWC. They have an army of guys who can perform at Pro14 level.

They don't have enough players who can perform at the next level up. That's the problem.

Yeah. Consistently able to make semi finals its that next step that they cant get near making all too often

mun1 wrote: »

Ok, if you say so.
Why so angry, your team deservedly won yesterday, are you not happy?
A lot of leinsterboys very angry on here today. Why?
It’s only a game after all

Haha thats 3 provinces now ive been told im from. All need is Ulster to complete the set

mun1 · 19-05-2019 2:52pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

How much are the IRFU still owed by Munster for the Thomond Park redevelopment?

I couldnt begin to guess.
But as far as i know don’t munster branch own Thomond Park, and munster branch are part of the the IRFU, so ???
It’s like asking How much do the IRFU give Leinster to pay for RDS ?

troyzer · 19-05-2019 2:56pm

mun1 wrote: »

Burkie1203 wrote: »

How much are the IRFU still owed by Munster for the Thomond Park redevelopment?

I couldnt begin to guess.
But as far as i know don’t munster branch own Thomond Park, and munster branch are part of the the IRFU, so ???
It’s like asking How much do the IRFU give Leinster to pay for RDS ?

Except that Leinster don't own the RDS don't get any ancillary revenue. Munster does.

Burkie1203 · 19-05-2019 2:58pm

mun1 wrote: »

I couldnt begin to guess.
But as far as i know don’t munster branch own Thomond Park, and munster branch are part of the the IRFU, so ???
It’s like asking How much do the IRFU give Leinster to pay for RDS ?

IRFU are owed €9m by Munster for Thomond.

You are going on like Munster get no help at all from IRFU

Former Former · 19-05-2019 2:58pm

errlloyd wrote: »

That's a fairly selective group of Munster imports isn't it? Since Cronin joined Leinster, CJ Stander, Conway, Haley, Carbery, Taute, Saili, Beirne, Bootha, Cloete, Kleyn, Chisolm, Van Der Heaven, Alby Mathewson, Rhys Marshall, Chris Farrell, Sammy Arnold and Tyler Bleyendaal at least have all been signed by Munster and go on to play European rugby.

Now thats 2 All Black capped players, 3 Springboks, one who has gone on to be a test Lion, several have go on to be test Ireland players. You can complain all you like about the quality of your signings, but Farrell, Conway, Beirne, Marshall, and Carbery are all players we'd take (back) off you if we could now.

Signings are not the problem

I can only count two Springboks, but do Taute, Botha, Mathewson and Saili combined even make it to double figures of caps?? They're internationals in the literal sense only.

Mark Chisholm could have been a good signing for a year but not to be. Otherwise pretty bog standard imports (CJ aside).

Edit; BJ Botha was a great signing.

mun1 · 19-05-2019 3:04pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

IRFU are owed €9m by Munster for Thomond.

You are going on like Munster get no help at all from IRFU

€9m sure is a lot of money.
Of course the IRFU have helped out munster, no province is 100% self sustainable .
Although i think its the IRFU who take all TV money, prize money etc. and give each province an amount it thinks they need each year.

Thanks for agreeing with my point regarding the IRFU helping out the provinces, Leinster included. (Which is 100% the right thing to do BTW).

Now back to the rugby.
Good win by Leinster yesterday. What coaches would you bring into munster if you could .
Obviously Lancaster has been allocated to Leinster already but it would be great if he came south.

Burkie1203 · 19-05-2019 3:13pm

mun1 wrote: »

Don’t forget Leinster were in dire straits a few years back before the IRFU foisted Graham Henry and Lancaster on Leinster. Hopefully they can spend the same money on munster

mun1 wrote: »

€9m sure is a lot of money.
Of course the IRFU have helped out munster, no province is 100% self sustainable .
Although i think its the IRFU who take all TV money, prize money etc. and give each province an amount it thinks they need each year.

Thanks for agreeing with my point regarding the IRFU helping out the provinces, Leinster included. (Which is 100% the right thing to do BTW).

So in the last hour you have gone from the IRFU should spend the same on Munster as they do on Leinster to you claiming they give each province what they need and then you claim I agreed with you

Your some spoofer

Shefwedfan · 19-05-2019 3:21pm

Kenya Tasty Peacock wrote: »

I would disagree on Jones. What value is he adding?

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Its not like Van Graan walked in one day and said right lads you can go when you want.

They were offered contracts but declined to continue their stay with Munster. That's the fact. Gutted to see Flannery go. Jones was backs / attack coach for over 2 years and Munster have steadily gotten worse in that area IMO. New thinking / vision needed from new coaches. If it was just Jones going I'd be much happier about the whole business.

Not much loyalty in Munster anymore is there?

Jones and Fla have got Munster to Euro semi finals how many years now? if anything keeping the 2 guys and hiring another coach would have made sense.

The fact both are leaving shows poor management by Van Grann and the board, I would not blame Fla or Jones.

The Lost Sheep · 19-05-2019 3:26pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not much loyalty in Munster anymore is there?

Jones and Fla have got Munster to Euro semi finals how many years now? if anything keeping the 2 guys and hiring another coach would have made sense.

The fact both are leaving shows poor management by Van Grann and the board, I would not blame Fla or Jones.

Go away with lack of loyalty....
Its clear that Munster's back play just isnt good enough. Hiring new coach as what though? Skills coach would be great but thats long term not short term which is needed.
Both leaving isnt necessarily poor management by Van Graan and GF etc.

Shefwedfan · 19-05-2019 3:27pm

mun1 wrote: »

Don’t forget Leinster were in dire straits a few years back before the IRFU foisted Graham Henry and Lancaster on Leinster. Hopefully they can spend the same money on munster

Lancaster was on the scrap heap so to speak. Nobody wanted to touch him. He had gone to NZ and got in with some clubs to get away from it all and also improve his coaching

Kurt McQuillan had to return to home due to personal reasons and Cullen went to Lancaster and convinced him to join. Including getting Sexton to contact him direct and ask him to come. It had nothing to do with IRFU

If you remember the press at that time said it was crazy.

Same with Henry, Cullen asked for him to come in as a short time consultant for preseason. Again nothing to do with IRFU.

It is worth nothing that both Fla and Jones went to Oz or NZ last year and worked with Super 15 teams on time off to get some new ideas....again, this was nothing to do with the IRFU

Buer · 19-05-2019 3:32pm

Is there anything to be said for Bernard Jackman as replacement for Flannery? Replace one test hooker who is a forwards coach with another albeit more experienced one.

Shefwedfan · 19-05-2019 3:32pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Go away with lack of loyalty....
Its clear that Munster's back play just isnt good enough. Hiring new coach as what though? Skills coach would be great but thats long term not short term which is needed.
Both leaving isnt necessarily poor management by Van Graan and GF etc.

As above Fla and Jones had gone on off season to SH last year to skill up. Who is to say they couldn't do the same this year.

A senior coach over Jones would help provide huge guidance. That was the original plan with Rassie, Rassie was Director, Foley was top coach and then he had team around him.

Now you have Van Grann and the 2 lads. Why not move Van Grann up to Director which he was hired for and bring in experience head coach to sit above the 2 guys? give it 2 season?

From what happened it would suggest that Munster didnt want either of them.

mun1 · 19-05-2019 3:34pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

So in the last hour you have gone from the IRFU should spend the same on Munster as they do on Leinster to you claiming they give each province what they need and then you claim I agreed with you

Your some spoofer

Have they spent more on one province at a point where they needed the help ?
Of course they have, its in the IRFU interests to have all the province blazing away.
Stop getting so annoyed .

Getting this munster thread back on track and Going back to my last question, who would you bring in as a munster coach if you could pick someone.

I think someone like Lancaster should be allocated by the IRFU as its their province to manage. He obviously a top coach and gets the best out of what he has.
Dean Richards would be my preference

mun1 · 19-05-2019 3:37pm

Buer wrote: »

Is there anything to be said for Bernard Jackman as replacement for Flannery? Replace one test hooker who is a forwards coach with another albeit more experienced one.

Wouldn’t mind him myself but Think he was considered but wasn’t interviewed. Dirtied his bib with the dragons

19-05-2019 3:38pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not much loyalty in Munster anymore is there?

Jones and Fla have got Munster to Euro semi finals how many years now? if anything keeping the 2 guys and hiring another coach would have made sense.

The fact both are leaving shows poor management by Van Grann and the board, I would not blame Fla or Jones.

It's a results business. They have hit a ceiling and their attack and skills are clearly lacking. Why you keep Jones I don't know.

19-05-2019 3:41pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

So in the last hour you have gone from the IRFU should spend the same on Munster as they do on Leinster to you claiming they give each province what they need and then you claim I agreed with you

Your some spoofer

The IRFU have also foisted coaches on Leinster because Leinster hired them, but since Leinster are in fact part of the IRFU it counts as IRFU intervention. Makes loads of sense.

Shefwedfan · 19-05-2019 3:44pm

Kenya Tasty Peacock wrote: »

It's a results business. They have hit a ceiling and their attack and skills are clearly lacking. Why you keep Jones I don't know.

Well clearly Fla hasn't. He has build one of the best defences in Europe. Or am I incorrect?

Jones is doing it 3 years, only 2 mind you as attack, his results so far are 3 European semis, 2 Pro14 semis and a Pro 12 Final...

He has had 2 head coach's in that time?

Im not sure the finger should be pointed at Jones/Fla.....

19-05-2019 3:47pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Well clearly Fla hasn't. He has build one of the best defences in Europe. Or am I incorrect?

Jones is doing it 3 years, only 2 mind you as attack, his results so far are 3 European semis, 2 Pro14 semis and a Pro 12 Final...

He has had 2 head coach's in that time?

Im not sure the finger should be pointed at Jones/Fla.....

Rather than just quoting their results again, look at what actually happens on the pitch. They've just gone two league knockout games without scoring a try. Maybe if that changed they'd be making finals or even winning a trophy. If you think their attack is good enough then off you go but JvG clearly didn't.

salmocab · 19-05-2019 3:47pm

mun1 wrote: »

Have they spent more on one province at a point where they needed the help ?
Of course they have, its in the IRFU interests to have all the province blazing away.
Stop getting so annoyed .

Getting this munster thread back on track and Going back to my last question, who would you bring in as a munster coach if you could pick someone.

I think someone like Lancaster should be allocated by the IRFU as its their province to manage. He obviously a top coach and gets the best out of what he has.
Dean Richards would be my preference

If you really wanted to get the thread back in topic you wouldn’t be using the word allocated. You know full well how Lancaster ended up at Leinster but you want to get some strange dig in.

Shefwedfan · 19-05-2019 3:50pm

Kenya Tasty Peacock wrote: »

Rather than just quoting their results again, look at what actually happens on the pitch. They've just gone two league knockout games without scoring a try. Maybe if that changed they'd be making finals or even winning a trophy. If you think their attack is good enough then off you go but JvG clearly didn't.

Did I say the attack was good enough? I just think the easy answer is sack the lads. As I posted already a head coach sitting above both of the guys would seem a decent option to me. Then move Van Grann to Director.

They guys are gone. So what do you think? just hire 2 replacements?

19-05-2019 3:53pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Did I say the attack was good enough? I just think the easy answer is sack the lads. As I posted already a head coach sitting above both of the guys would seem a decent option to me. Then move Van Grann to Director.

They guys are gone. So what do you think? just hire 2 replacements?

I think they should have tried to keep Flannery and he is a loss but yes certainly Jones should be replaced with someone who can get more from the players. Bringing in someone above him is pointless imo, what is Jones' role in that instance?

The Lost Sheep · 19-05-2019 3:53pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

As above Fla and Jones had gone on off season to SH last year to skill up. Who is to say they couldn't do the same this year.

A senior coach over Jones would help provide huge guidance. That was the original plan with Rassie, Rassie was Director, Foley was top coach and then he had team around him.

Now you have Van Grann and the 2 lads. Why not move Van Grann up to Director which he was hired for and bring in experience head coach to sit above the 2 guys? give it 2 season?

From what happened it would suggest that Munster didnt want either of them.

Perhaps it does and wouldnt have too many complaints if that was the case. A senior coach over Jones may have provided huge guidance but i dont see Jones being in place again as what would be best for Munster. DOR means different things different places he is DOR/Head Coach and what real benefit in just adding a head coach when you have DOR there? What does that add??

mun1 wrote: »

Have they spent more on one province at a point where they needed the help?
Of course they have, its in the IRFU interests to have all the province blazing away.
Stop getting so annoyed.

Getting this munster thread back on track and Going back to my last question, who would you bring in as a munster coach if you could pick someone.

I think someone like Lancaster should be allocated by the IRFU as its their province to manage. He obviously a top coach and gets the best out of what he has.
Dean Richards would be my preference

Lancaster wasnt allocated by anyone so suggesting that isnt getting the thread back on topic and there's no chance Richards will come here
And im not annoyed at all. You're the one getting frustrated..

mun1 · 19-05-2019 3:55pm

salmocab wrote: »

If you really wanted to get the thread back in topic you wouldn’t be using the word allocated. You know full well how Lancaster ended up at Leinster but you want to get some strange dig in.

Why would you call it a strange dig ?(whatever that means)
Lancaster was hired by the Leinster branch of the IRFU . Does that sound better to you ?
Carberry to munster was the same employer allocating their resources to best effect. Is allocating the wrong word ?

Does Lancaster not deserve credit for Leinsters turnaround since 2016 ?

19-05-2019 3:58pm

Since Leinster have won a number of trophies in the last few years, and both Leinster and Munster are part of the IRFU, Munster have actually won the trophies too. You heard it her first folks.

Shefwedfan · 19-05-2019 4:02pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Perhaps it does and wouldnt have too many complaints if that was the case. A senior coach over Jones may have provided huge guidance but i dont see Jones being in place again as what would be best for Munster. DOR means different things different places he is DOR/Head Coach and what real benefit in just adding a head coach when you have DOR there? What does that add??

DOR would look after buying players etc. All the off the field stuff but also coming up with ideas

Head Coach would be on pitch day to day, working with the DOR on the future playing styles etc and implementing the DOR plans

Coaching team around head coach, they would work on specific areas of expertise on implementing plan given down from head coach/DOR

This was the original plan with Rassie came in. With Foley as head coach. Unfortuneatly that did not last long.

It was said that Van Grann replace Rassie as DOR but no head coach was announced.

I think it was mentioned a few times trying to do all the hiring, contracts, finding players, etc etc etc is very time consuming so that why a DOR make sense

Burkie1203 · 19-05-2019 4:03pm

mun1 wrote: »

Have they spent more on one province at a point where they needed the help ?
Of course they have, its in the IRFU interests to have all the province blazing away.

Yes on Munster. Quite recently.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/irfu-chief-warns-there-will-be-no-more-munster-bailouts-399288.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/irfu-chief-does-not-believe-munster-can-make-debt-repayments-1.2723985

Quintis · 19-05-2019 4:06pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Well clearly Fla hasn't. He has build one of the best defences in Europe. Or am I incorrect?

Yep, you are incorrect, JP Ferreira is defence coach

irishbucsfan · 19-05-2019 4:06pm

Doug Howlett leaving is very worrying. It could be a coincidence all these guys are going at the same time but it’s still a big task to fill their places, especially guys who meant so much to the province. It’s much more serious if their decisions to leave are linked

Erik Shun · 19-05-2019 4:08pm

Buer wrote: »

Is there anything to be said for Bernard Jackman as replacement for Flannery? Replace one test hooker who is a forwards coach with another albeit more experienced one.

Don't you bloody start

Erik Shun · 19-05-2019 4:15pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Doug Howlett leaving is very worrying. It could be a coincidence all these guys are going at the same time but it’s still a big task to fill their places, especially guys who meant so much to the province. It’s much more serious if their decisions to leave are linked

Is Dougie leaving? He's still head of commercial & marketing, no?

Shefwedfan · 19-05-2019 4:20pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Doug Howlett leaving is very worrying. It could be a coincidence all these guys are going at the same time but it’s still a big task to fill their places, especially guys who meant so much to the province. It’s much more serious if their decisions to leave are linked

I thought he would continue with Munster?

Buer · 19-05-2019 4:27pm

mun1 wrote:

Wouldnâ€™t mind him myself but Think he was considered but wasnâ€™t interviewed. Dirtied his bib with the dragons

Munster shouldn't let that get between them and their man. Dream big.

Cookiemunster · 19-05-2019 4:34pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Doug Howlett leaving is very worrying. It could be a coincidence all these guys are going at the same time but it’s still a big task to fill their places, especially guys who meant so much to the province. It’s much more serious if their decisions to leave are linked

Howlett has nothing to do with the playing squad or coaching, so him leaving isn't relevant to the discussion. The fact that Carbery and Beirne have extended their contracts after less than a season tells you things aren't as bad behind the scenes as some are trying to make out.

salmocab · 19-05-2019 4:38pm

mun1 wrote: »

Why would you call it a strange dig ?(whatever that means)
Lancaster was hired by the Leinster branch of the IRFU . Does that sound better to you ?
Carberry to munster was the same employer allocating their resources to best effect. Is allocating the wrong word ?

Does Lancaster not deserve credit for Leinsters turnaround since 2016 ?

It’s a strange dig because you think by saying it your taking away from Leinsters success.
Yes Lancaster was hired by the Leinster branch not allocated, but then again, you already knew that.

mun1 · 19-05-2019 4:48pm

salmocab wrote: »

It’s a strange dig because you think by saying it your taking away from Leinsters success.
Yes Lancaster was hired by the Leinster branch not allocated, but then again, you already knew that.

Sorry, none of that makes sense .

“Taking away from leinsters sucess” ???
“ you already knew that “ ???

Bit of a tetchy topic for you I’d say

Shefwedfan · 19-05-2019 4:48pm

salmocab wrote: »

It’s a strange dig because you think by saying it your taking away from Leinsters success.
Yes Lancaster was hired by the Leinster branch not allocated, but then again, you already knew that.

It's the standard dig fired at Leinster and Cullen. Make out Cullen is useless and it is all Lancaster, take Lancaster out and Leinster will be terrible....

I do admit this is a round about way to get to the point.

budhabob · 19-05-2019 4:52pm

Where are ye seeing that Doug is going? While that doesn't necessarily impact on the pitch, losing that much leadership in any organisation would be worrying....unless someone at the top is looking for a cultural clear out or something.

The Lost Sheep · 19-05-2019 4:58pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

DOR would look after buying players etc. All the off the field stuff but also coming up with ideas

Head Coach would be on pitch day to day, working with the DOR on the future playing styles etc and implementing the DOR plans

Coaching team around head coach, they would work on specific areas of expertise on implementing plan given down from head coach/DOR

This was the original plan with Rassie came in. With Foley as head coach. Unfortuneatly that did not last long.

It was said that Van Grann replace Rassie as DOR but no head coach was announced.

I think it was mentioned a few times trying to do all the hiring, contracts, finding players, etc etc etc is very time consuming so that why a DOR make sense

All depends on what set up is within the organisation and DOR may may not be one buying players. DOR may simply be the head coach and also have that responsibility as well.
Van Grann then just became the primary coach as well as having those off field issues under his control

Erik Shun wrote: »

Is Dougie leaving? He's still head of commercial & marketing, no?

Not from anything ive seen. He's in commercial role as you say and has nothing to do with the playing/on pitch issues

mun1 wrote: »

Sorry, none of that makes sense .

“Taking away from leinsters sucess” ???
“ you already knew that “ ???

Bit of a tetchy topic for you I’d say

What are you on about?

Shefwedfan · 19-05-2019 4:59pm

I see a it of a pattern already after just over 40 posts on boards

mun1 wrote: »

Sorry, none of that makes sense .

“Taking away from leinsters sucess” ???
“ you already knew that “ ???

Bit of a tetchy topic for you I’d say

mun1 wrote: »

You seem quite angry.
Leinster are a very good team. Last week they lost to a great team, this week they beat an average team.
Is that not enough ?

mun1 wrote: »

That the same Mick Dawson who ultimately works for the IRFU ?
Why so touchy about the help given to Leinster in their time of need ?
I only hope they can do the same for munster.

mun1 wrote: »

Have they spent more on one province at a point where they needed the help ?
Of course they have, its in the IRFU interests to have all the province blazing away.
Stop getting so annoyed

Cookiemunster · 19-05-2019 5:03pm

budhabob wrote: »

Where are ye seeing that Doug is going? While that doesn't necessarily impact on the pitch, losing that much leadership in any organisation would be worrying....unless someone at the top is looking for a cultural clear out or something.

There's reports that he's heading back to New Zealand. So its not likely to be related to Flannery and Jones leaving. I'm not sure how much leadership he brings really. He's in a marketing role and can easily be replaced.

salmocab · 19-05-2019 5:09pm

mun1 wrote: »

Sorry, none of that makes sense .

“Taking away from leinsters sucess” ???
“ you already knew that “ ???

Bit of a tetchy topic for you I’d say

It makes sense don’t worry about that, everyone here sees what your at, the usual pre provincial banter has to the most part turned into gracious defeat or victory. A couple of people aren’t able for that notably yourself who has spent the day after re-regestering taking swipes at posters.
I’m sure you’ll be back pretending you don’t understand but don’t worry we all know.

Shefwedfan · 19-05-2019 5:19pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

All depends on what set up is within the organisation and DOR may may not be one buying players. DOR may simply be the head coach and also have that responsibility as well.
Van Grann then just became the primary coach as well as having those off field issues under his control

I am going based on the role Rassie was doing, he was the one buying players etc.

If the head coach has those roles as well then he has a heavy workload.

Shefwedfan · 19-05-2019 5:20pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

There's reports that he's heading back to New Zealand. So its not likely to be related to Flannery and Jones leaving. I'm not sure how much leadership he brings really. He's in a marketing role and can easily be replaced.

He just signed up with Cork GAA for something didn't he? I never seen anything about heading home. He was on one of the podcasts recently saying how he loved it over here and his job in Munster etc

mun1 · 19-05-2019 5:32pm

salmocab wrote: »

It makes sense don’t worry about that, everyone here sees what your at, the usual pre provincial banter has to the most part turned into gracious defeat or victory. A couple of people aren’t able for that notably yourself who has spent the day after re-regestering taking swipes at posters.
I’m sure you’ll be back pretending you don’t understand but don’t worry we all know.

If its easier for you to think that then so be it.
Is it so hard to think for even one second that i maybe someway right ?

Also not a re-register as you could see if you went into my profile.

salmocab · 19-05-2019 5:35pm

mun1 wrote: »

If its easier for you to think that then so be it.
Is it so hard to think for even one second that i maybe someway right ?

Also not a re-register as you could see if you went into my profile.

Right about what? Lancaster wasn’t allocated to Leinster they went after him.

irishbucsfan · 19-05-2019 6:31pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Howlett has nothing to do with the playing squad or coaching, so him leaving isn't relevant to the discussion. The fact that Carbery and Beirne have extended their contracts after less than a season tells you things aren't as bad behind the scenes as some are trying to make out.

Of course it’s relevant when someone so influential leaves, even before you factor in how much his own job is influenced by where the team is going

fonecrusher1 · 19-05-2019 7:24pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I just think the easy answer is sack the lads.

Wrong. They weren't sacked.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Well clearly Fla hasn't. He has build one of the best defences in Europe.

Wrong again as pointed out by someone else.

Priceless

You're one a roll today.

And what loyalty are you waffling on about? We're not loyal fans because Felix Jones and Jerry Flannery declined new contracts. Are Munster supposed to lock them in a room or something? Not one single Munster fan would have wanted this to pan out like this so cop on with your loyalty BS. Its utterly petty. Its very unfortunate and badly timed what has happened but they've made their decision.

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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