MMA v Boxing!

Strange thread to think of and type up at 01:46

Kind of topic you’d have seen back in 2007

I assume that this is a troll post. As no way you put that much thought into a scenario that was tested and solved pretty conclusively. But for the lols.

Boxing is called the sweet science for a reason. It's in effect, the "natural reaction" of a human, in it's purest form. It's to punch. This sounds childish but bear with me. If two people are drunk after a night out and get in a row outside the chipper, one does boxing and one does MMA, and they go for each other, they throw a punch, even the MMA fighter. It's the innate human reaction. Unless in an octagon, your not stepping back and calculating the situation.

What does the label the "sweet science" have to do with anything you've said.

And throwing a punch is less of a natural reaction that grappling and wrestling. Wrestling is the oldest form of fighting, animals wrestles, baby wrestling, and when two guys throw punches outside the chipper, they far more often end up doing some form of sloppy wresting rather than clean boxing.

There seems to be this idea, that if a UFC star fought a top boxer, the boxer loses, simply because the MMA fighter is more experienced and well rounded in other fields, and can do other things than box. This is the crux though, a boxer at the highest level, "should" have such a speed difference, that the minute an MMA fighter opens up in any sense, gets knocked out.

If the MMA fighter trys to box the boxer sure. But he isn't going to. The MMA fighter knows exactly where the boxer is inexperience. The boxer has never checked a kick. Never defended a takedown. It's literally over as soon as the mma decides to do anytihng other than box.

Even if thats accepted, but someone says, well if the boxer doesnt get that knockout he's in trouble. Why? Cause he'll be "taken down". With several months notice, how hard is it for a boxer to learn how to stop a take down? If he becomes proficient, the boxer is still at a huge advantage. An MMA fighter is a jack of all trades in a sense, and at the start of every fight, are on their feet trading punches. Any boxer worth their salt knocks them out imo.

lol.

How hard is it for a boxer to learn how to stop a take down? Extremely difficult. At the top you are looking to an olympic level of wrestling. That took 10 years+ to achieve. Nobody is getting there in months.

They are not trading punches at the start of a fight.

As someone with no skin in the game, but often trained and sat in gyms watching others train with interest, I laugh at this idea that someone who does MMA will always win against a boxer, and you see it said all the time. The difference in speed and skill is actually scary between and boxer and MMA fighter. With an MMA fighter also starting on his feet, the gulf in skill and speed between a boxer and MMA fighter is too great, for an MMA fighter to have any chance.

You may have seen boxers with speed. But you need to watch wrestlers a bit more closely.

And yes its happened MMA fighters have beaten boxers even in boxing, but a truely world class boxer is a different story imo. Watching MMA fighters practice grappling, boxing and this and that, is actually embarrassing, when you then sit and watch the boxer train, the sheer difference.

The sheer different is the boxer is training boxing not mma or takedowns.

What is you definition of world class? A world champion? A multiple time work champion? like say 3 division champion James Toney. lololol

The greatest heavyweight right now Usyk is getting absolutely Rag dolled by either John Jones or Tom Aspinal thats just a fact!

1 leg kick, its done!

Never mind a takedown whenever they feel like it!

There's a fallacy in your argument.

If you say that you have to point out the fallacy. Otherwise its kinda meaningless.

A boxer wouldn't need 10 years of training or experience, to stop a takedown from an MMA fighter, compared to a lifelong wrestler. An MMA fighter is a jack of all trades, and far weaker in an individual field than a boxer or wrestler in that specific field.

Not needing 10 years doesn't equal only needing a few months. The MMA fighter still has years of experience in that field.
Top MMA fighters are former elite wrestlers. Among the best in the world, certainly better than the average lifelong wrestler.

On a similar note, the average pro boxer is a journeyman, not really anything special.

Your premise isn't actually disputing what I'm saying in regards to an MMA fighter, and you've gone down more the road, of pitting one against an experienced wrestler. So ye I agree, against a top wrestler, the boxer will struggle more.

You fail to realise that many MMA fighters are experience wrestlers. And you don't need to be an Olympic or D1 level to takedown a random boxer. The boxer is so clueless, that a random hobbyist would succeed - and this happen in local gyms all the time. Boxer tries MMA, gets taken down with ease and manhandled. We don't have to speculate, anyone with experience has seen this.

But I don't think we've ever really seen a good example of a top boxer and wrestler face off, where it wasn't a novelty act and the boxer was hesitant. It probably does end in a stalemate, with the boxer keeping such distace. And with the wrestler starting and staying so low, it's a blurred area for whats a legal punch from a boxer.

We have seen it. Janes Tony was a multiple time world champion. Fought Randy Couture.
He landed zero significant strikes. Was taken down and submitted in round 1.

I'm aware of the earliest forms of known combat and where they arise, still no expert mind, but I'd still dispute anything other than a punch is not the purest form of a "natural reaction". It is if we're being honest.

Grappling is entirely natural. Likely more so. Chimps grapple, toddlers grapple, two guys outside the pub often end up rolling around and grabbing at each other.
And even if when do do try to throw punches, they in no way resemble skillful boxing - so not really sure how you think that proves anything.

Honestly had to check what year this thread has been posted in. Mother of God!