Ireland's Refugee Policy cont. Please read OP before posting

I am strongly against illegal immigration by AS making bogus claims.

However, I did not, and will not, vote for those micro nationalist parties, some of whom appear to be bonkers.

NP = this seems to be the bonkers lads?

I get confused with their names, they are often similar.

IFP, is that Herman Kelly?

Anyways, these tiny parties do not have any support, and no serious person thought they had a chance of a seat.

However, their lack of electoral success is not an endorsement of open borders/Direct Provision/no removal of failed AS policy of the current Govt.

I have no idea why you quoted me to ask that question because I never mentioned it.

To give you my opinion, I would expect violence is going to get worse and we will see incidents fairly soon.

A lot of loons actually believed they would get the current government out and things would be changing.

They are now realizing that nothing will change for the next 5 years and they will be more desperate.

Unfortunately I do think we are going to see these scum carrying out attacks.

Thankfully as the majority of people on here said and the election confirmed, their is a very small support of the far right in Ireland, so hopefully theirs not too much done.

I have not seen a lot of what you just said unless I have overlooked.

Can you quote a few examples for each of those where people have praised them.

If they have been getting a lot of praise then it should be a handy task for you.

Even after no candidates from the likes of the national party, Irish freedom first party, Irelands first national freedom party and whatever other arrangement of names there are, getting any seats. It seems that some posters on here and in twitterland are still obsessed with the far right. Almost like it's a concerted and organised effort to muddy the immigration discussions.

And yet ordinary people repeat far right rhetoric everyday. allowing it to become mainstream. The.more people allow this, the more of a foothold they get. Eventually the far right ideas become mainstream. That's the danger.

'The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist'

It was unfair for me to ask you of proof of something that doesn't exist.

If you want to back up your claims then work away, I won't hold my breath.

I asked before but how are they vetted exactly?

If here with fake documentation or no documents, are they not illegal then?

There is a list of safe countries

Nobody's 'vetted', there's no such thing.

No. Only if a reasonable explanation can't be provided in which case the person has broken an immigration law, they're not an 'illegal'

Countries are categorised as safe if people who live there are less likely to need asylum. That's very usually not the sense it's used here.

These have been clarified multiple times on the thread. Yet many posters continue to push the hateful rhetoric. They do so knowing violence and harassment is being carried out all over the country by people who justify their actions with these lies.

You don't believe there are bogus asylum seekers?

been through this before but sure lets go again ,

seeking asylum coming from the UK or Germany or Spain isnt a reason to come to Ireland ,

Seeking asylum in Ireland from jail in a home or other country isnt either,

How about an off shore site to prevent fraudsters going missing? ditto 30 year old claiming to be juveniles, arrive without documents you go back on the same plane or next one. convicted of any arrestable offence your deported the same day your released from bail or prison , generous use of exclusion orders for EU nationals who commit crimes. the funding and political and judicial support to do these things

TDs and the media seem to think immigration is no longer an issue based on the election results.

Let's see what happens when Dublin and other large urban areas continue to bear the brunt of it.

It's going to be in interesting to see how this plays out because unless deportations are ramped up its not going to end well.

Mod Edit: Warned and banned for baiting and uncivil posting

Yes they are all truly deserving of state welfare and housing for life we are so blessed.

You don't seem to be able to understand. Claiming asylum is a fundamental human right. If they are not entitled to it, it is up to the host country to find that, based on their investigations.

The law states that someone can claim asylum whether they are in the state legally or illegally. It does not matter whether they have documents or not. So there is no sending someone back without documents. Where would you send them?

Who are these some people?

Well, to be fair, I think many on both sides here appear to have disregarded the acknowledgement by all the large parties that more robust immigration and asylum policies are needed. Because many seem to be operating under the continued illusion that any of these parties are pro "open borders" — when they are not.

Of course, those who lament these parties as open borders advocates seem to be of the view that one day in 2022 (Ireland having never really had a major influx of asylum seekers) — these parties just made a collective proactive decision entirely out of the blue to become pro-open borders and this entirely domestic decision had absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with the prevailing situation in Ukraine and globally following the lifting of travel restrictions.

Voters are concerned about immigration and asylum — but what they have rejected are the melodramatic fearmongering views about it peddled by some and regularly trotted out here.

I've said it before, but the people who think that the Irish people don't take immigration seriously enough should focus on more positive arguments and actually set out a vision that can have wide appeal — rather than constantly vilifying people as enemies within and foretelling the onslaught of the apocalypse.

So an anecdote about a very small group of people? No one here seems surprised or upset

Their supporters are so upset that they’re posting on other places but are keeping it a secret on Boards? That makes no sense

It is absolutely true. The reasons being that a lot of people don't/can't get documents in their own country.

It's up to the host country to investigate their claims

Michael O Leary says it’s a scam , that they are flushing their documents then arriving for flight, Good article.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/ryanair-working-with-department-of-justice-to-photograph-passenger-documents-1735922

How did they get on the aircraft without the documents?

According the particular regulars on here…

Q: Hey they're going to put 1000 IPA's into a building next door to my kids Crèche and the Primary school and I don't think that's right, there was absolutely no consultation before the ministerial order to open the IPA centre in my village with 1 doctors office and no Garda station…

A: Enough with your racist far right fascist comments, be quiet now!

What is the relevance to the crèche/primary school?

Sorry we can't have that sort of talk, diversity is strength…

Well, aren't you also ignoring facts?

Sweden carries a similar legacy to France in terms of having built high rise blocks that were subsequently used to house almost all new asylum seekers — leading to ghettoisation which was then exacerbated by the influx of Syrian asylum seekers.

While Ireland's handling of the influx of Ukrainian refugees left much to be desired (perhaps understandably given our country's relative lack of experience in dealing with such things and its first experience being a major war on the European continent), the approach has been different.

What's actually quite funny is that — even in this article written by a member of the right wing Sweden Democrats (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nationalreview.com/2023/07/the-lessons-for-america-in-swedens-immigration-failures/amp/) — there is reference to how NIMBYism was also a crucial factor in Sweden's eventual problems. He speaks of the failure to geographically spread asylum seekers throughout the country as a primary cause of issues.

Ireland of course — haphazardly and faced with a tricky situation — actually did try to spread accommodation out. But that wasn't good enough for many on here either, who lecture us one day on Sweden's problems while also glorifying the very same opposition to asylum seekers being spread around the country which led to a lot of Sweden's problems.