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How to convince my neighbour to rent his house

  • 02-12-2024 05:16PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,409 ✭✭✭


    Looking for some advice here. My niece is looking for somewhere to rent and there is an empty house beside me belonging to another neighbour. He sometimes uses it himself and sometimes lets friends stay in it short term. I asked him about renting it to my niece long term but he says its just not worth it after tax. Also he says that if she is on HAP (which she would be), then it wouldn't pass an inspection. Anyone got any hints on how to convince him to rent it out?! Seems a real shame just to let it sit there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,179 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    If he knows that it won't pass HAP there's nothing you can do. He'd have to spend money to become a landlord and small landlords are selling up at record levels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 249 ✭✭headtheball14


    its his house, you've asked he said no..leave it at that. he would.lose the use of it and he doesn't want to be a landlord..other than making him an offer to buy it and becoming their landlord yourself there isn't a lot you can do. there are some schemes with councils to.long term.lease the house and they will do repairs to bring up to standard but if.he doesn't want to it's not happening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,781 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Its his house, he makes occasional use of it and has decided from the pov of his own finances that it isn't worth making it a rental. Why do you feel you have the right to compel to do other than he wishes with his own property?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭RurtBeynolds


    Why don't you rent your house to your niece?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Assuming this is not yet another wind up………..some people sure have a brass neck. Just wondering did OP ever suggest to her neighbour what he should have for breakfast, what time he should go to bed, what car he should drive, who he should and should not be friends with, where he should invest his money, what clothes he should and should never ever wear…………….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭endofrainbow


    It's not empty if he uses it himself and lets friends use it too.

    What a nerve to ask him to rent HIS house to your niece.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭herbalplants


    Remember the shills only get paid when you react to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    A few over the top reactions here.

    OP, there is no harm in asking - nothing ventured nothing gained. But if you have asked and he has said he is not interested then there is not really much else you can do, other then ask him to keep your niece in mind if he ever changes his mind.

    It is a shame a property is lying (mostly) vacant when homes are needed, but I can understand his reluctance to become a landlord too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,773 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    Op you will have to put the owner under pressure. Secretly advertise the house for rent on DAFT using his name and phone number. Get your niece to ring up and enquire about the house for rent.
    When he refuses to rent it tell your niece to bring a claim to the WRC for discrimination because she wants HAP.
    When he has been contacted by the WRC, tell him you will get your niece to drop the WRC claim if he rents her the house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,027 ✭✭✭PeadarCo


    Op don't do this. Potentially you will end up in trouble for impersonating another person or harassment ie the gardai could get involved. All this suggestion could result in is the OP ending up with a criminal record.

    It will also be very simple for the home owner to prove they never put the place up to rent as the payment details on daft won't match the homeowners. It also makes it very easy to prove who placed the ad maliciously. Nevermind the WRC won't get involved because there can't be discrimination if the place was never put up for rent in the first place. Fake ads don't count.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    YYou do know how DAFT works? You have to confirm with an email or phone number and pay with a card? This is nonsense.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,785 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Secretly advertise the house for rent on DAFT using his name and phone number.

    Presumably you do know that your IP address would be recorded when creating the advert and therefore you would be easily traced were it to come to that, so why would you suggest something so daft [sic]?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭mondeoman72


    Wow, I take it that is a joke. Otherwise that is the stupidest thing I every heard. The tenants board has given tenants more power than the property owner. You are silly in your thinking. Landlords are leaving in their droves over this and tax



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    TThen there is the professional aspect of becoming a Landlord. You have RTB, 56% tax, maintenance, wear and tear, late rent and then that is hoping you have good tenants. Then you have bad tenants who hold over, dont pay rent , complain to RTB complain to taxman, fight with neighbours and anti social behaviour etc etc.

    TThere is a reason the landlords are leaving the market. As suggested OP you put up finance and buy a local property.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭POBox19


    No means no. Tell your niece to keep looking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Rooks


    Why would anyone be a landlord? It seems like such a pain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,162 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    Because unless you are (a) over-geared with debt, (b) try and manage it yourself, (c ) take an overly short term view on the business, or (d) see every expense as a tenant robbing your pocket, then it is actually a pretty good and low maintenance business.

    There are plenty of one-flat accidental landlords renting places out paying 1500 mortgages that used to be 1200 getting 1800 rent and paying 900 in tax who grumble when a tenant texts them that the radiator isn't working. I am DELIGHTED to see those amateurs leaving the market, as the standards are being raised.

    The only ones worse than those are the guys cramming bunk beds in every corner of the flat, only accepting cash, and not registering with RTB. They are a little harder to get out of the market, but they are gradually one-after-the-other being reported by ex-tenants to the RTB and revenue and leaving the market. It's taking longer, but again I am DELIGHTED to see those scumbags leaving the market, as the standards are being raised, and tenants are being protected.

    And, as many here have said, none of these properties are leaving the housing market just because the landlord is selling up, so they are not really putting upward pressure on rents. With a bit of luck the government will enable building more places, both high and low density, and rents will then begin to drop as people have choices. A lot of my future income depends on residential rent but I am still DELIGHTED to dream about rents falling 20, 30, 40% hopefully over the next decade.

    As you can see, I am an optimist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 643 ✭✭✭Meeoow


    How to convince my neighbour to mind their own business.



  • Subscribers Posts: 42,822 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    See what your niece can offer the neighbour for cash.

    If that's worth his while, happy days.

    If she can't match what he wants without HAP, move on



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,918 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Worst idea yet. Convince the owner to break the law and know that can be held over them any time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    I think the neighbour is fixed on how much he needs to bring the house up to standard. I am guessing new boiler, insulation, new windows and possibly a few other things. He might have visitors back from overseas and he needs somewhere to put them or has relatives that are student or apprentices. The stuff they will suffer for a few weeks outside of cheap/free rent. There will be no benefit for the upgrades for a couple of years with 56% tax on the rent.

    With the legislation of "Right to Accommodation" on the cards, he might sell it sooner than you think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭DFB-D


    I wouldn't say he meant it as a joke unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,773 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    I said secretly. The o/p is hardly so thick as to use his own computer, phone number and credit card.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,773 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    He would hardly use his own computer to do it. Nobody is that thick!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,773 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    The o/p will have to be creative if he is to get the neighbour to rent the house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Yeah but you have to use someones "email or phone and credit card" they are all traceable. Who do you think will protect you if you are using their email (which is tied to a phone) and credit card for fraud?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,773 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    If the o/p doesn't ue his own computer or credit card, it will be impossible to trace him. The landlord will have difficulty proving a negative. just because it is not his i/p address or credit card doesn't mean it wasn't him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭rowantree18


    "Right to Accommodation " - if they start forcing people to sell vacant or semi-vacant properties, I smell a constitutional challenge. Would it mean holiday homes would be appropriated? And, could people in houses with more rooms than they need be forced to accommodate others? It's a dangerous road to be going down, interference with property rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,773 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    He can set up an email address, use the phone number of the owner and pay with an anonymous card.
    Emails are not tied to a phone. He could set one up in an internet cafe in Nothern ireland in 5 minutes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    The Youth (anyone under 30 who has not read history) will see it as a way of balancing the market where the government will sort it all out for every resident. Anyone under 30 will vote this in a referendum just like that. University is a mess at the moment with students travelling from upto 2 hours away twice daily. Something gotta give. I am currently not renting but it is bad.



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