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Struggling as a mature student

  • 28-12-2024 2:28pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16


    I'm feeling really overwhelmed - since I've started college over 1 year ago.

    I have just finished my work placement and I feel I gained little from there. The staff that were there majority of the time, including my mentor, I couldn't 'connect' with. I didn't have the same kind of 'banter' as them, because of that I feel it dented my experience, and now feels like a waste of time, and an opportunity for growth and learning missed. I coundn't fit in, and that didn't make them want to include me or be conscious of showing/teaching me things.

    From speaking to others in my course, they all seem to have loved where they were and what they were doing. From reading reflective blogs, many got to do a lot more than me. I feel as if I'm at the bottom of my class, even tho I am also the oldest!

    Assignments are still a big struggle. I have sought help from college and my head mentor, but I just can't knock the feeling my work isn't good enough - I cringe when I read over what I submit, I have been told my grammer isn't great, often times I don't go into enough detail - it sounds odd but it's as if there's a mental block and I can't get over it.

    I'm suffering with depression and anxiety which is more than likely the biggest cause of all the stress and procrastination. I have sought help from a therapist - it's just this feeling of not being good enough and possible regret of starting college in the first place is becoming really unbearable, hence why I have taken to here to hear of anyone else's similar experience or wise advice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭thefa



    College is not easy in the first place and can be more difficult with time out of education. I struggled getting back into doing night classes for my professional exams after taking a one year break after university ended. Can imagine multiple years being even tougher but you are back over a year now so could be finding a rhythm, albeit not having found it as easy as students coming in straight from the leaving cert.

    In terms of your project feedback, you are the only one who can put in the research and effort to submit more detail which will come from work rate and motivation. There are websites and add on you can use to help with grammar.

    I would be wary about comparisons to others on the course. While some are probably valid, it wouldn’t be unlike some people exaggerating their experiences. In somewhat competitive environments, you can see this happening.

    In terms of the course, do you enjoy the content and feel like you would enjoy the work professionally? It’s too easy to just quit when things are not going as you envisioned but do you still see yourself working in the field?

    I don’t suffer from depression and anxiety but imagine they can have a big impact on more than just education. You mention you have sought therapy but that does not sound like a protracted treatment. Is this something you could fit in or take time out of study to address?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,793 ✭✭✭Xterminator


    hi op

    “Comparison is the thief of joy.” - Theodore Roosevelt

    You have signed up for college course as a mature student. Big kudos to you for making the effort to better yourself. I have just completed a lvl 7 course last year, myself.

    Older me could not read text once and remember it. i had to work hard at making good notes, then read and re-read my notes. I was not used to the referencing system, and academic writing styles are not natural to me. It was with great effort i managed my time, as i tend to leave assignments to the last minute, and i set myself a goal not to let that happen, by committing to and managing my time effectively. i set aside time to study and work on assignments before i ever got an assignment. When i got an assignment back that was not as good as i expected i chatted with the tutors and asked for feedback on what was needed to achieve better results. i attended every single class i could, and asked questions when i had questions.

    I will say as a mature adult i was very clear why i was doing my course, and what the goal was. Having a good time was never the primary goal. Getting a good result at the end of the course was the goal. The 'craic' is not the goal.

    My advice to you is to not lose sight of why you are doing this course.. To not compare your experience with others experiences. My aim was to put in what i considered to be a very good effort and see what i could achieve. I put in the effort and i got the reward. Any that is where my maturity was an advantage. By being focused better than younger me ever was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,444 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    @Xterminator makes a great point OP. You can be the best, most engaged and most commited student that you can be., don't lose the benefit of that by comparing yourself to others.

    Comparing your Coop experience to classmates? You are older, less reliant upon the social life of Uni and that can feel isolating. I know when I was back in 2019 that engaging with the mature student group in UL was a great help to me in that regard. Even though I was talking to people who weren't on my course? I was talking to people facing the exact same issues as myself and sharing the experience helped me feel more supported.

    Focus on you, don't compare your work to other students instead! Compare your latest submission to your previous ones. Focus on seeing growth in your understanding of the topics and improvement in your work versus your earlier work.

    You are your only competition, and as already mentioned, comparison, with others, really is the thief of joy. Look back on what you have done on your course to date, you're still there, you're still progressing!

    Keep it up!



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,899 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx


    First and foremost, look after your health.

    In general, look for all the support that you can. It's tough going back as a mature student, but remind yourself that you're even tougher.
    Have a look in the education forum https://www.boards.ie/categories/mature-non-traditional-students it might be helpful.

    Maybe the placement wasn't all that you expected but there's learning in that too. And the others may be well able to put a positive spin on things. I bet things weren't all rosy for them either. We're all guilty of thinking everything is wonderful for everyone else. Not always the case at all.

    From now on, as other posters have said, compete with yourself only. If a grade isn't what you had hoped for, get as much help as you can to try to improve the next one. Don't beat yourself up, encourage yourself as you would encourage a friend. And make sure to attend your therapy.

    Mind yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 cluelessoz


    Thanks for the reply.

    My problem is the effort and research that I must do. I feel like a lazy slob even admitting it, I just find it so hard to do it. Yesterday I did go to the library and managed to do research for my assignment, am back here again and even trying to recall what I did yesterday is a struggle. Its as if I have some self sabotage thing going on.

    I feel I would enjoy the work, if it was in the right environment for me, like in my OP, I found it difficult to connect and get on with the others. Its hard for me to picture me doing anything else, I have worked in many different fields. I am doing this too to better myself over all, career wise and personally.

    I actually attend therapy for over a year. Its what's going on personally is really difficult to fix - there's alot of acceptance I'm working on, and its just a really heavy load.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 cluelessoz


    Thanks for your reply. Its good to hear from someone who has been through it, you sound as if you were really determined.

    I think time management is a good point its something I'm not doing. I need to put in the effort - I don't know how I'm gonna do it to a standard I feel is good but I guess it will take time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 cluelessoz


    Thanks for your reply.

    I have sought out the mature society in the college and I kind of forgot about it. There didn't seem to be much happening in the first place but I'll have a look again in the new year.

    I do the comparing as I'll be up against some of them for jobs. Your right, I'm as well off to compare my own work, to my previous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 cluelessoz


    Thanks for your reply.

    I feel as if I am always looking for support, hence why I've come here. And that is my biggest issue - not feeling I have enough support. I can't make people support me, and I don't have the typical amount of support the majority of people would have. I try support myself but it's not the same. I need frequent reminding to keep going and stick at it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,568 ✭✭✭Tork


    You seem to have a bit of imposter syndrome as well. I assume you had to meet certain criteria before the college offered you a place? They wouldn't have done that if they didn't think you could pass. I also noticed that you're making assumptions about how you're doing. You believe you're at the bottom of the class, but is there any evidence of this? What is your aim here? Is it to pass the course? Achieve a particular grade? Have you been passing your assignments to date?

    Going back to college as a mature student is difficult. I have some experience of it as well, and I found it very hard to knuckle down and study. It's also a very different experience from somebody fresh out of school or in their early twenties, so you will find it harder to be on the same wavelength as your classmates. The ones who've never left full-time education also have the advantage of being in the habit of being a student. Going back to that after living like an adult is a culture shock. Having said that, are there any study groups in your class or the college in general? Perhaps the mature student society might be able to help you out here. Or, failing that, do you know any other mature students who are in your college? There might be an informal buddy system on the go to help people out.

    You said you don't have support in your life, but do you have anybody who'd be willing to proofread your work? Have you tried using Grammarly or other tools to check your grammar? I also think you should ask for as much help and advice as you need, even if it means swallowing your pride. To the people teaching your course, you're just a face passing through. They will barely remember you in a few year's time, so don't worry about what they think of you.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15 Feltskies


    University is an emotional experience for most people. But it'll end. Just keep going. When you're writing something write it for you and not the lecturer.

    This Is your work. Prove to yourself. Also the best thing that comes out of university is not the piece of paper but the connections you make. So reach out to people and use this to your advantage.

    You can also reach out to other lecturers for ideas or to give work a quick read. Be nice to them and most are happy to help



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,271 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Work Placements can be a bit of a lottery. When I think back to mine I'd say roughly a third was good, a third meh and a third I'd nothing to do. I think I did my best in the situation and I was happy to be leaving that company, as were a lot of my class with their placements. The concept of it is a bit different than regular employment as you're kind of a half or quarter person. You're not fully qualified, you're not going to be there beyond your 6 or 8 months so you're there almost as a bit of a tourist.

    When I think back to the rest of my class's experiences some said they'd a good one, a lot were similar to mine, and one or two said they'd no idea why the company took them on as they'd nothing to do. Of that last one or two I remember them saying they liked one of the guys in the company as he gave them stuff to do. That stuff was photocopying and general admin. They were Engineers.

    As for your course work issues you have to remember that most of the rest of your class, who aren't mature students, will have the mentality of get the stuff done, get it in, move on. As that's the mentality of most students. I've done postgrad courses where I'd been working for a few years but the rest of the class would have come straight from their degree. I did notice I worried a lot more about things I couldn't do than when I was your regular undergrad and it does play with your mind.

    When you say you can't knock the thought that your stuff isn't good enough I'd ask well what are your grades? They're the real measure of is your stuff good enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 cluelessoz


    Yes I would have had to have met criteria to apply. The reason why I reckon I got accepted it cause they needed the numbers. Its hard for me to believe I was accepted because they thought I was good enough.

    I don't have any evidence of being at the bottom I guess, it is an assumption I make most days when I hear how better others are doing or how they can give answers when questioned by the lecturer. Yes my aim is to pass, ideally better than I think I could but that's me putting more pressure on myself. In school I use barely pass exams/tests and I remember all my friends getting higher marks - I done all pass subjects for the LC, whereas they mostly done honour's everything. Even siblings done better than me in school.

    I appreciate you sharing your own experience as a mature student - I feel I need to hear others experiences too of the difficulty , I think its been alot harder than I thought. A culture shock - it is what is. Its like I was use to living as an adult - always wanted to move out of home, be earning money etc and than to feel like I was 16 all over again - not as bad but the whole routine and class environment is some what similar.

    I have gone down every possible avenue in regards to getting help from the college - even getting tested for dyslexia and referral for ADHD.

    I've never heard of Grammary - will definitely use that. Ya, your right about the lectures - I'm just passing by, I do care too much what they think of me I've to admit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 cluelessoz


    That's a good point - the connections I make. Thank you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16 cluelessoz


    Its helpful to hear others experience on work placement - again I think I was putting too much pressure on myself trying to impress and get every single thing right on placement.

    That's a good point about how the younger ones have that mentality - they have it still grained in them to focus, concentrate, do school work etc than actually living a life.

    My grades are ok - average or below I would say. I always wish I could do better but I never do, and maybe thats the problem - I just have to accept I'll never be a good academic!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,568 ✭✭✭Tork


    There's nothing wrong with accepting that you'll never be a good academic. Not everybody is and it doesn't stop them from being good at their jobs. You might not ever be top of your class but you've got other things that you can offer a potential employer. Doing this course in the first place is a significant milestone even if you don't feel like it is. It demonstrates that you have ambition, get-up-and-go, and self-discipline. There's a lot to be said for being a grafter and doing your best with what you have. Try not to compare yourself to your classmates, or about what others think of you.

    I get the impression that you're trying so hard and putting so much pressure on yourself, it has become counter-productive. If you were so uptight and stressed about getting everything right in your work placement, it may have pushed others away. I train new recruits in my job and they all make mistakes in the beginning - it's unavoidable. I would much rather have somebody who is calm about this and visibly learns from their errors than an uptight individual who nearly has a seizure every time they get anything wrong. Perhaps they picked up on that in the place where you were sent? Or perhaps, as others have suggested, it just wasn't the best place to be sent. You've already been out in the workplace, so all of this shouldn't be any news to you. Try not to throw all those soft skills you've learned from there out the window.

    You're well able to express yourself here, but I can see why they're pulling you up on your grammar. Even if you try out a tool such as Grammarly or other alternatives, you would benefit from another human being reading over what you've written. You've got this - try not to be so hard on yourself.



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