Dacia Jogger - cheap 7 seater or bad value?

In 2 years time it'll be worth €18k, take from that what you will.

Yes they will lose more value than a Tiguan because they're not good cars. Cheap plastic PoS's if you ask me, bad steering, suspension from 25 years ago. Terrible sound insulation

Just about if you go for hi spec.

You get what you pay for.

If looking for a car for a family, school runs etc. the Jogger is an option.

https://www.carzone.ie/new-cars/volkswagen/Tiguan/sports-utility-vehicle

I had just looked at 2022 models on donedeal and they were around 18k

Aren’t Dacias the least depreciating cars?

You get what you pay for. Regardless of the Dacia id not touch a VW. Seriously over priced.

Dacia's are a fine car especially the current ones. Some people are badge snobs calling it a plastic PoS a few posts up sure isn't every car the same but I suppose you cannot see past the badge.

Also the Hybrid isn't new it's from the Renault Clio hybrid that is out a few years at this stage. I didn't do it but maybe Google Renault Clio 1.6 hybrid issues. Just to get a look at the state of the hybrid system.

Im not a badge snob I drive an old Ford 😂 but the build quality is actually decent there's no interior knocks and rattles and a fair bit of soft touch rubber materials on the dash and doors. Dacia's are full of hard plastics

I've driven a 2015 sandero stepway for some time in the past, drove Dublin to limerick and back,couple trips limerick to Galway, sitting at 120km/h on the motorway the person in the back had to literally shout to have a conversation, and it's not the 1.5Dci engines fault because that's a great engine.

The steering wheel and gear lever are terrible things to have to touch while driving, steering wheel is literally, a plasticky piece of sh1t. The gear lever is a couple cm thick rod going up from the floor well and is very flimsy

Drove a 2017 duster for a while too, unrefined, wallowing and uncomfortable. Maybe the newer stuff has improved, or maybe not, who knows.

They're just not good cars, they're not marketed to be good cars, they're aimed towards people who want a newer reg for a very reasonable price, and they do a good job at that.

But don't try tell me they're a fine car.

Modern Mazda 3 and 6 (petrols) are a fine car, not a fkin Dacia

Have you driven one?

I wasn't talking about the older Dacia's they have come on a lot since 2021. As the older ones used old tech while since 2021 in Dacia's they are using current Renault parts and engines.

Its fine as a rental car or a taxi, but having driven it, its an awful piece of engineering, especially the manuals.

I've seen better quality plastic on the cuts of meat in Dunnes.

The seats are grim and will give backache to even the most young and agile. You couldn't even call it Infotainment. And the lack of insulation means its a cold and noisy experience, especially on motorway cruises. A long drive in it will exhaust you.

If you have 30k, go and buy literally anything else. For example, a top notch, low miler second hand Toyota Prius+ 7 Seater can be got for about 25k. Its not the last word in refinement, but it's well built, decently equipped, good on petrol and will never go wrong.

You get what you pay for…. Except with vw apparently.

LOL at some of the comments. This reminds me of the peak of the property boom era when people sneered about cheap new cars, wildly exaggerating about how bad they were. While also trying to justify spending 50k on BMWs instead of 30k on Mondeos because the BMW would apparently depreciate less and have more "equity". Then when the financial crisis arrived, there were sneers about Renault selling new Meganes for 15k and new Clios for 9k, they'd be disasters for reliability and depreciation. Apparently.

One of the greatest tricks that VW and others pulled is convincing people that rubber dashboards, damped glovebox lids and large "infotainment" screens = quality and that the more you pay for something, the better it must be. It's obviously working seeing as cars like the Tiguan are far higher in the Irish sales charts than the Dacia Jogger.

I suppose somebody has to pay for the glass palaces and the salaries of German auto industry workers. "Thank you for being a friend" as the current TV ad says.

What sort of person spends 50k on a new Tiguan while sneering about Dacias? I suspect that they are

-midwits with decent jobs but very little accumulated financial wealth

-PCPed up to their eyeballs

-very concerned with badges and how they are perceived by the neighbours and the mummies on the school run

-convince themselves that cars need to be changed every 3 years

-get a warm fuzzy feeling from increases in property prices

-wide open to being manipulated by main dealers e.g. being upsold expensive and unnecessary brake replacements

My Brother was over for Christmas and rented a Jogger, I was impressed when I saw them first but sitting in it was impressive. The quality inside was quite acceptable for the money if you ask me.

I didn't drive it but I noticed you do sit high enough in the back, I presume it would mostly be Children/|Teenagers sitting there anyway, but it would be more practical than our "7 seater" Outlander. The extra seats are far more practical.

What are the alternatives to the Jogger at the same price ?

People's expectations these days about cars is just crazy in my opinion, many cars today are grossly over priced and at the end of the day a car is just to get from A to B and I was mad spending so much money on cars in the past but that won't be happening again, I'll pay 10-15 K max, my current car I intend to keep as long as possible.

The more I think about it the more I think it's insane to get a loan out for a 20-25K tax bill for the Government on the price of a new car.

The VRT on a 30.5 K T-Cross for example is 17.5% or around 5 K then subtract 23% VAT the car would cost 19.5K that's a huge chunk of money the Government make, no thanks!

It's a pity Dacia don't offer an LPG version of the Jogger, They have reintroduced LPG on the new Duster though, that would be great for anyone like me with LPG station 10 mins away.

What else do want in a car Sam? Do you need 7 seats, does it have to be new? I was thinking nearly new Tuscon hybrid (automatic) but as Jogger is more like an estate style this popped up.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/kia-ceed-1-6-crdi-phev/38593849

Financial illiteracy?

What are you on about. Lending in Ireland is now among the most stringent in the World, even for secured goods like cars. In point of fact, households have been never more able to afford new cars, either on competitive finance or outright purchase. And the peace of mind that are tailored leasing plans are also increasing.

As for sovereign debt, I don't know which edition of the 2011 Financial Times you've been reading, but this year the economy produced 561 billion dollars, as against only 190 billion dollars in 2007, prior to any impact from the crisis that followed. As for national debt, it has plummeted to 42% of GDP and is 5th lowest in the Euro Area, the average for which is north of 80%. So stop doom mongering and get spending with the value that's out there.

They won't concentrate on estates and hatchbacks any more because people want the big SUCV/Crossover to park outside the school 1 hr before collection time.

The manufacturers make a lot more money vs hatchback or estate, they just stick on bigger wheels, taller suspension, and a wide body kit and voila you got a SUV. They load cars up with tech now too to make more money. There used to be options where you could pick and choose the kit you want, there still is but you can't start with a bog basic car and add the basic essentials now.

I'm hoping for a super SUV tax because the size of cars is gone ridiculous then watching people trying to park is really amazing. Dublin airport is a right laugh watching people have to exit before the driver can park because the cars are too big for the spaces. Country roads these monstrous vehicles are speeding then try to force smaller cars into the ditch thinking I'll do that in my little hatchback because they got a bigger car ? not a chance.

You forgot about reducing the boot size....

Most 7 seaters reduce boot size.

The 5 seater crossovers that are so popular also have tiny boots. I have no idea how they can be considered a family car.

People buy them because they're an "suv" lol and because so many others drive them.

I drove a brand new Duster from Rome to Lyon in a day (sharing the driving with another lad). I’m no motoring journo so don’t have much to say other than it’s a perfectly fine bread and butter family car.

my only complaint is that the seats after a while become quite uncomfortable/firm. Drove surprisingly very well. Dash is quite nice too, not cheap plastic. There’s a nice bar of soft fabric on the top half anyway.

Again, not a motoring journalist but for the money they’re a grand car IMO. My only concern would be how well the 1.0 might hold up after a few years.

No offence Labre but that’s a bit facile. GDP is not a decent measure of the national incll ok me of Irish residents because of the MNE effect. It’s certainly the case that there are more stringent lending criteria for a mortgage than existed in 2007 but that’s like sawing a white doing 200 clients a year is more restricted than one doing 260 per year, it’s not statistically significant. The restricted criteria reduce the losses which a financier might suffer as opposed to being a true reflection of economic reality.

Last year

What was some deal yo be fair because the list on the new tiguan no doubt had increased 👍

Hi All

Great reading all the comments from posters who have "impressions" of the dacia etc.

I've had one since 231 (2 Years). I changed out of a Toyota Verso . Here's my 2c

Positive

Costs about half as compared with next cheapest 7 seater (28k for mid spec vs about 56k for 5008 or Kodiaq)

Engine is fine - returns avg 6.5l/100 on town and 5.6l/100 on motorway

I've driven it with 7 people, full boot and roof box and it is fine as long as you are not overtaking on

secondary roads

More comfortable than the Verso - obviously much less than a Kodiaq etc

Essentially also a minivan if you take out rear seats and fold the second row

Plenty of space in middle and read row - again better than the Verso

Negative

Bluetooth connectivity and infotainment is not great - need to plug in for android auto

Front passenger seat ripped/stiching gave way at back - waiting to get it fixed under warranty

Final thoughts

On a cost benefit basis its a bit of a no brainer for people with average salaries/wealth. If you can afford 60k for a

VW / Skoda etc and want a nicer car then go ahead. For many people like me it was a choice of the Jogger with 3 year warranty etc vs 30k for a 5 year old motor and who knows what potential problems

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