Genocide in Sudan

I never even heard of this till now

Actually very refreshing to see a war like this covered for once. Unfortunately most "peace" activists don't seem to give a **** about this one.

This cuts both ways. The genocide in Sudan and has been progressing for some years. If supporters of Israel only mention it in 2025, and then only in an attempt to undermine criticism of Israel, this may tend to reinforce rather than refute the impression that their support of Israel might may be accounted for by a generalised indifference to genocide and its victims.

Critics of Israel might be accused of being selective in their concern; they are concernd about accusations of genocide perpetrated by Israel but not about accusations of genocide perpetrated by others. But the counter-accusation would be that those on the other side of the argument are consistent in their indifference to genocide, which is hardly a more admirable position.

There are already sanctions in place, imposed by Canada, the UK, the EU and the US, intended to prevent the supply of funds and weapons to the RSF and (in some instances) to other parties in this conflict. Thus the West has already done more to try to prevent this genocide than it has done to try to prevent genocide in Gaza, where no sanctions are in place and Israel in fact receives substantial funds and weaponry from Western countries.

If there's a double standard at work here, it's not obvious that it's a double standard against Israel.

You know what I find, I don't know would you term it maybe interesting or probably more correctly saddening, about this thread?

It has just got 15 contributions and it is about a conflict, ethnic clensing and a proven real genocide that has been ongoing for the best part of two decades.

Yet another conflict which is undoubted ethnic clensing, but not really a genocide given the huge disparity in military capabilities between either side, the tiny geographic area, the massive number of possible victims versus the actual number of victims, gets absolutely massive numbers of posts and posters.

Is it that one area is closer to home ?

Is it because who is involved?

Is it that people in the West don't really give a sh** about some Africans?

I guess one could argue why should we, when fellow Africans couldn't give a sh** themselves about yet another genocidal conflict on their continent.

It is sad and I believe points to the hierarchy of victims that still to this day prevails despite all the modern shytology about equality of all cultures and the like.

And no mods I am not trying to draw in a discussion about you know where, but trying to highlight how no one seems to give a sh** about this awful long running conflict.

I find it all rather depressing.

MSF have been forced to pull out of Bashair hospital south of Khartoum due to frequent attacks by the RSF.

Very specifically, yes.

That the least of the war crimes that have happened in Sudan.

The stuff that the likes of the jangaweed rebels did in Darfur was often sickening.

Oh and we often hear the phrase apartheid thrown around, but never for some reason about the way the Sudanese Arabs treated non Arabs.

You seem to think you have a point

half of the entire country— are facing high levels of acute food insecurity.

100% of Gaza are facing high levels of acute food insecurity etc. what is happening in Sudan is appalling. What is being perpetrated in Gaza is even worse especially on a per capita basis.

Sudan was one of the seven countries targeted by the USA..

Or more recently Jeffrey Sachs has said it was one of the seven Netanyahu wanted the USA to destroy.

The West is not providing billions in military aide to slaughter babies in Sudan so that's where activist's are focused, on the genocide in Gaza that would be over if the USA stopped funding it.

Not all of Sudan is affected in the same way. You can't just take the total population and average it out. Three-quarters of all attacks have centred around three main regions, Khartoum, Gezira and North Dafur. More than half of all recorded attacks and 1/3 of all deaths occurred in the Khartoum region alone.

Your calculation is simplistic and doesn't reflect what people in the affected areas are going through. It's like foreigners thinking that all of Ireland was equally affected by the troubles, when not even all of Northern Ireland was equally affected.

Don't let it get to you. And don't read that much into it. Most people hate when innocents suffer. There are two reasons this thread has so little traction.

1. Far fewer people are aware of the genocide in Sudan. People can't help it if they're more aware of some things than others.

2. Everyone is agreed that the slaughter in Sudan is horrific. Nobody is justifying/undermining it. So that doesn't lend itself to much in the way of discussion.

Not saying you're doing it but using Sudan to have a go at people for having the *neck* to be strongly critical of the Israeli military's operation in Gaza, is disgusting.

Nope, awareness. We were as horrified by the Rwandan genocide as the Balkan genocide occurring simultaneously - because Rwanda was covered significantly in the western media.

Faux concern for other races by apologists for the mass slaughter of children in Gaza is insufferable. And as for only caring about white people, speak for yourselves lads.

I suppose that the main issue is that Sudan identifies as a "Western" country with Western morals and values (as far as that means). So that there are big links between the country and the West.

Perhaps we need to put pressure on the likes of the US, Germany, and the UK to stop sending their billions of military and other aid to Sudan. I think the US alone proposed another $8bn there a week or two ago for Sudan in support of their genocide. We have a lot of links with the US so we should try to voice our opinions there.

Similarly, we could ask the US to stop automatically exercising its veto over any UN resolution that the Sudanese might not like.

We could also put pressure on the EU to stop the visa-free travel which it currently affords to Sudanese citizens. As a symbol of recognition that the EU does not support its genocide. If the Sudanese want to identify as being similar to us, they need to cut out the oul' genocide.

Given the reasonably high level of trade between Ireland and Sudan, and the links across companies such as big-tech companies with large operations both here and Sudan, we could use our leverage through these to make our voices and objections heard. We should not allow ourselves to be cowed, for example in the case of the the Irish worker in Dublin who was fired by a Sudanese-owned company for a social media post saying she was proud to be Irish and be standing against Sudanese apartheid. The Irish founder of a Silicon Valley based unicorn who was forced to resign from its board due to a blog post detailing how he couldn't sleep at night thinking about the Sudanese civilians being killed.

Perhaps we could bring in a bill to prevent the importation of goods from the areas which are illegally occupied by the Sudanese forces.

Given all the strong links, including but not limited to the above, it is indeed strange that it isn't the top of everyone's list. It's not as if it's a country like Ethiopia or Chad where most Irish people would not have any direct or indirect contact with people or products from there. The above are all things that feel somewhat close to us because of the links. They are things that we can potentially influence or protest against as the decisions are happening here, and are being made by people who are connected to us.

But in relation to the creation of this thread - isn't it a bit ironic that the "look over there" lads who have regularly included Sudan in their scattergun list of topics over the past year or so, took so long to get around to starting a thread on this issue they genuinely really care about.