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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    In that case their diesel car must also be empty.

    And the local filling station cannot use their electric fuel pumps either.

    Post edited by Busman Paddy Lasty on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,043 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Cos EVs bad - and they don't work in winter , and you spend all day at a charge point , a

    And you have to change the battery every 10 mins anyway ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,724 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭deezell


    And you've had no power for two days and the nearest charger had no power either and your EV range was savaged by the frozen battery and the energy sapping drive through the snow to the nearest shop, so you turned back. I had no power but I have a genny, but after 5 hours I had to drive to get more petrol for it, and my nearest filling station had no power for the pumps, so I'd to go further. I'd plenty of fuel in the car though, plenty of heating oil, and logs.The genny wouldn't operate a heat pump, or charge an EV, but it can spin the oil boiler.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭JohnySwan


    Funny that, my Ev hasn't needed a charge in over a week, just over 200km driven. My genny can run the heat pump and charge my 26kwh storage battery. Nice to be able to switch the genny off at night. Power was out today and we didn't even notice as the batteries took over, but carry on 🫡



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    I was easily getting 360km out of an eNiro in winter. I didn't have home charging by the way. I don't know why you think EVs would be magically flat?

    You didn't have enough genny petrol and needed more after 5 hours FFS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    What are the best value rack mount 48v batteries to buy at this time? Thinking of building a partially off the grid system for the summer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,439 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    The best ones are the cheapest you can find. But try make sure they use single prismatic cells not multiple pouches like Pylontech

    Are you any way technically inclined, as in can you assemble an Ikea flatpack? Then look into self build from a complete package. I.e. the Fogstar kits. Or DIY from start to finish, see the DIY build thread here. Lots of fun and plenty help from us locals:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,439 ✭✭✭✭unkel


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,043 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Nice ,

    There is bit of truth In a lot of those statements, but a little truth can cover a whole load of shite ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,315 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,439 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Did you look at the thread I linked? Shows the whole process and all you need. As for cells, the consensus is to get the latest batch that NKON.nl is bringing in. Anything between 280Ah and 340Ah is fine, B choice is fine, just get them at a good price. Typically about €55 or so + VAT per cell give or take a few quid. You need 16 of them

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Looks like a new EV plan coming out tomorrow from energia. Be interesting to see if rates stay similar for EV rate or ev hours increase/decrease



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,439 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    I heard the same about last Monday. Nothing happened. Maybe it will tomorrow! I found that our Pinergy plan is still active and that you can actually renew it. Very tempted to do so as it has been far more lucrative than any other plan could have been. By a country mile.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Same here and won't be moving as long as the export rate stays as it is and the EV rate. Could do with an extra hour EV in the winter but happy as is if stays the same.

    Thought may suit others though who don't have large storage as it seems there will be a night rate of about 19c and the EV rate from 2-6 staying the same. Peak rate and increased day rate too with it.

    Still good to see new plans coming aboard



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,919 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    suppose it might be somewhere in the middle of this (current energia smart rate)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,439 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Is this it, the "EV Smart Drive Plus" plan? Pretty disappointing if so:

    The 4h slot is helpful compared to the just 3h slot of Pinergy, but the EV rate is 60-80% higher. Looks like I will be renewing with Pinergy, possibly early. That means I won't be able to have my gas cut off until at least late 2027. For shame.

    The government is missing lots of opportunities here to stimulate people to move away from burning fossil fuels. A bonus for people switching off gas and a free upgrade from the standard 12kVA to the more suitable 16kVA for an electric home would do the trick for a lot of people, me included. Forget about insane €6,000 subsidies for heat pumps and even more insane subsidies for deep retrofits.

    Post edited by unkel on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Yep that is the new plan. Think will still suit those with smaller batteries. Personally will be staying with pinergy but definitely an option for many



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,268 ✭✭✭irishchris


    Jeez think the biggest killer for this plan is that if you use more than 1000kwh in two months on the EV slot the price doubles 🙈



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Yeah pretty garbage, you'd need to export 27kwh a day to offset the import in those 4 hours vs only about 12kwh export needed with pinergy, assuming the poorer 20c FIT with energia.

    Oh and actually a lot more since I forgot they charge extra when you go over 1000kwh



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,439 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Energia is back to their old nasty habit of punishing and overcharging people who use a lot of the greenest electricity. Just like they did a few years ago. Only worse this time ☹️

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,738 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    There's a term called Green Dazzling, this is what they are ~ at, making it difficult for end user to get crystal clear clarity on pricing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Even the BG offer works out cheaper than that I think:



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,919 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Vs the standard smart plan. if you use 2000kwh in 2 months - and only counting night rate/ev rate. The standard smart plan is €10 more expensive, day rate is 10c cheaper and you have 9 hrs of night rate to boot. and never mind about the peak rate!

    Once you start using any day that 10c difference will add up quick €100 every 1000kWh of day rate.

    Total non runner for nearly everyone. 1000kWh is only about 15kWh/day. thats barely 100km.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭randombar


    head melting stuff here.

    Still with Energia but due to move and really not sure where to go.

    20kwh batteries + HP + 3.3kw car charger.

    On the cold nights I really need that 4 hr window even with 18kw MIC

    10kw battery + 6kw HP + ~ 1kw house load doesn't give me much space to charge the car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,439 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Do the sums. The €100 welcome bonus and 5c Pinergy rate might be more than enough to compensate for the cold days where the 3 hours is not enough and you would need to use expensive day rate. Also batteries are dirt cheap. You could add 15kWh to your battery for well under €1k incl VAT and delivery. If you could cylcle the extra battery once a day on the Pinergy plan, the pay back period is an insanely short 15 months after losses

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭randombar


    Can't fit another battery realistically, especially if I'm looking at getting a second EV etc.

    Really only have 72kwh to play with (energia) or 54kwh with the 3 hour window pinergy.

    20kwh battery + 24kwh heat pump (cold night) + 12kwh for one ev + 2 or 3 kwh for house load = 58kwh

    I know not every night is cold etc, but who knows how long these 4 hour windows will last too.

    Realistically would need 3 phase if I was looking at another battery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,439 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    So 16kVA? You could crank up the myenergi limit by a few amps. I have been running my 12kVA on 66A max on a 63A fuse for a year now, zero issues. Remember if you do this, you are not getting anywhere close to the ESB fuse (which would not be wise to pop)

    Seriously, do the sums. The savings on the 5c rate are enormous (plus the 25c FIT which is the highest in the business). Even if you had 60-70 days of the year that you needed to buy day rate units, could be more than compensated

    And 3h slot with EVs that average say 16kWh / 100km with 3h times 7.4kW minus losses, so say net 20kWh into the cars, is good for 46k km per year. Far more than 2 cars doing the national average. Do you do more than that?

    It's all about the sums

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭JohnySwan


    Make sure to check your board periodically if you're pulling that power every night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭randombar


    A good point about the cars, any idea how you get the welcome credit from pinergy? Registering at the moment and can't see any reference.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    I inspect it every so often for that same reason and more recently I (or my sparky friend I should say) added a shellyem with temp sensors to each of the big draw breakers, and temps sit somewhere in the region of 35-47c at full load (about 65a)

    With the added benefit that now I am able to setup automation if it gets too warm, reduce charging of batteries or EV.

    Half-tempted to put in a few noctua fans in there to keep things even cooler.

    silently waits for the guy that thinks we're insane to chip in 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,439 ✭✭✭✭unkel


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭randombar


    Do I just mention that I'm part of them or what? I think one of the lads tried to get on it and they said no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭randombar




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,774 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tree


    For those who are mad into cleaning panels to squeeze out the last bit of juice:

    https://www.utu.fi/en/news/press-release/solar-panels-should-not-be-cleaned-with-dishwashing-detergent-shows-new-study



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭randombar


    Probably have more capacity after 3:40 all right but then again a second EV might take that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,439 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    If you have too much bandwidth and still have some battery to fill, just get a €80 rectifier. We have a dedicated thread on them here on the forum

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,479 ✭✭✭randombar


    Batteries are the issue. Solaredge proprietary high voltage batteries unfortunately. $$$ for another 10kwh



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Greenlink is live as of 23:00 yesterday.

    They've added it to the smartgriddashboard too.

    https://smartgriddashboard.com/#roi/interconnection



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭SD_DRACULA


    Let's hope no ****ing idiots drag their anchors on the seabed floor, seems to be a trend these days. 😬



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭deezell


    It's a sort of metaphor for their knuckle dragging masters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭funnyname


    I saw a question asked about going over the 5kw inverter limit and loads of people answered yes no bother just go for an N7 install. However one answer was as follows

    I have 2 systems in one house:- on grid (only for export)- off grid (11kw inverter + 40kwh battery + 16x 545w bifacial panels).Annual energy consumption ~ 16000kwhAnnual energy bill ~ 0€

    Would this be a DIY upgrade after an NC6 install or would solar companies entertain this type of set up as it seems so very simple.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,919 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    The question to ask there, how does the house get power from the off grid system?

    Another way to do it is to have a large battery connected to the on grid system and use charge controllers to charge the battery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭funnyname


    I'm thinking they have a new consumer box that is connected directly to the ESBN meter and the 5kw inverter and the solar panels and battery work with the 5kw inverter which communicates with the new consumer box

    Then the 11kw inverter takes DC from the battery and converts it to AC which gets sent to the original consumer which has been disconnected from the ESBN meter and so powers the house.

    The battery is topped up excess solar that can't be exported due to the limits of the 5kw inverter or cheap night time electricity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Exiled Rebel


    Only realised yesterday that my system has been in fault for 10 days or so. The solis inverter is displaying the following fault "PV ISO-PRO02". The solis website says this means a positive wire is connected to ground. I have two arrays, one ground mount and the other on the roof of a steel shed.

    I have tripped the isolator in the distribution board for safety reasons.

    I have read about this issue on boards but for the life of me cannot find the discussion. I was initially hoping it was due to the recent heavy rain however once I discovered it was faulting since last week I'm guessing there's an issue with a positive wire on one of the arrays.

    Is this an easy fix folks? Is it just a case a tracing the positive until I find a break?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭deezell


    Have you seperate strings from the two arrays. If so, does the inverter indicate which string input. Isolate them in turn and see if the inverter runs without fault. It could be scuffed cables lying across the metal of the roof, or the metal of the ground frame, making a path between the ground from the positive return cables. Water ingress migh cause this also. A loose cable flapping against a metal sheet edge would cut trough insulation in no time. A broken panel would probably ground the positive also, could they have got a smack of a branch during the storm. Be careful, strung panels will be active with DC even with the inverter powered off. You should be able to read the DC at the string isolaters if you're competent with electricals, but maybe just call the installers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭deezell


    Speaking of faults, are there regulations regarding the siting and containment of PV batteries. There's plenty of examples of exploding EVs and electric Scooters, but what about PV?. This system in Germany literally exploded, and, Tesla like, continued to flare up despite the attention of the fire brigade. You can clearly see it demolished the partition walls of the utility room it was in, and all around it. Thats a view from the outside looking in, as it blew out the outer walls also. Do people have these in cupboards next to living or bedroom spaces, or in attics over them?

    Post edited by deezell on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭JohnySwan


    Ideal place for all these appliances is outside or in garages, whether that's an inverter, batteries, washing machines, fridges, dryers etc.

    The example you found was a diy setup with cells bought online, crazy to have those in your home. I believe there was also a gas boiler in the same room. Speaking of gas boilers, amazing how some people are getting so worked up about batteries but have no issue with gas boilers in kitchens and utility rooms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,521 ✭✭✭deezell


    No, it was a new build show house. Gas boilers are incredibly safe. No diy permitted.

    https://www.pv-magazine.com/2025/02/21/solar-and-battery-equipped-home-destroyed-by-explosion-in-germany/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 422 ✭✭JohnySwan


    My mistake, I was thinking of a different one.

    Gas boilers, like lfp batteries are generally safe, but make an awful mess when they go wrong.



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