Dacia Jogger - cheap 7 seater or bad value?

THe Dacia Sandero came 13th in 2024 sales, that's not too shabby to be honest considering the QASHQAI came 16th and the T-Roc 15th.

The Jogger came 62nd the id3 came 60th and the Enyaq came 65th.

Interestingly there's only 1 VW, the Tiguan that came in the top ten at 6th which is surprising considering the cheapest one is 51.2 K on the road.

The local sales man said it's hard to keep the jogger in stock so judging by the sales numbers I'd assume there could be a supply issue.

Oh actually beside the jogger sales it shows a -45% sales decrease for 2024 but many models are similar if not worse.

Enyak - 57.4

Interesting a small car like the Fabia is + 43%

ID4 -48%

Octavia +75% seems like people might be going back to hatchbacks ?

Duster - 22%

Model y -42.3%

Kuga -21%

https://stats.beepbeep.ie/

Cars in general are far too over powered now in Europe, due to the refinement of many cars today many people refuse to obey the speed limits because they feel as if they're not moving at 80-100 Km/h and why the 50 Km/h limit is mostly ignored, because people have no clue how fast they're actually going or how fast they're getting there these days in much heavier cars than back in the 00s especially EV with their sheer weight and instant torque, people of all powertrains speeding on roads not fit for 50 Km/h all around where I live and it's unacceptable and it's all ages, Male and Female.

It's only when I got on a motorbike last year for the first time did I realise how fast 80 Km/h actually is.

I never spotted in simi data jogger sales down 45% but that's the case with a good few models,

Eah, ok.

You can take out the seats for IKEA.

Sounds like a good spec. for the price.

Have a Jogger for the past 2 years, 1 litre engine. Engine is fine - often drive it on Eco mode, on full power its pokey. Remember the car is 1200kg so light. Have driven it fully loaded with 4 bikes on the roof.

We needed a car that could fit 3 car seats across the middle, most of the others can't outside of the 5008. They were 50k new, or 35k for a 4 year old. The jogger was 28k with a 5 year warranty. Given previous history with car reliability this was a deal maker for me.

Its got everything you need, and unlike previous Dacia's (which I've test driven) doesn't feel too basic - climate control, sensors front and back, wired apple CarPlay. It's bright and airy inside which is nice. It could do with some more sound insulation. On the discussion of value dropping, if I paid 50k, after 5 years I'd be lucky to get 28k as a trade in. I reckon the jogger won't drop that much.

Did you buy the Dacia in the end OP ?

I'm looking to do something similar.

The 161 Citroen Grand C4 is getting to the stage where we are wondering if putting more money into it is the best option.

Even though I've good credit I don't want a big long loan or get into any PCP infinite loop.

Plus to us a car is a car, don't care for styling or the look and feel, as long as it can do what it's supposed to do.

So we are looking at trading the C4 for a Jogger 2022 and later.

Is it a good idea?

The raised edge rubber mats look great in the Jogger and should help a lot to keep the floor clean. Not sure if every trim comes with them but well worth it.

Dacia include them standard in the extreme trim

Unfortunately people are buying cars they just can't afford, the cheap monthly payments usually found on PCP doesn't mean people can afford the car, sure, most people can't I suppose fork out 35-50+ k cash but PCP has made people want to buy more and more expensive cars just because of the low monthly payments which I believe is a big mistake on such a highly depreciating asset. But that's my opinion, I did it long enough myself and learned.

It's mad though, the good 2nd hand car for 15 K ignored for the cheap monthly payments on a new car which will end costing a hell of a lot more.

Yes and it took me too long to realise PCP is a foolish way to pay for cars. Never again, guaranteed, this one I'm in now is being bought on HP 2 years 3 months to go and it's mine and then I'll be 100% debt free.

If I'm reading that correctly, the scenario is 0% finance for 3 years but leaving a deposit of 50% down. Pretending that 50% figure was 15k (like for the dacia), that money could have returned 50%(ish) over 3 years in S&P500. So 15k in January 2022 would be 22.5k in Feb 2025. So I don't agree the money is "free"

https://www.google.com/search?q=s%26p+500+returns&client=firefox-b-d&sca_esv=771bbf3a918ca038&channel=entpr&sxsrf=AHTn8zpbW-KnBo91YDSXE9IhO0bwuiDlng%3A1739789221608&ei=pROzZ4LZJPKehbIPrrGP4Qo&ved=0ahUKEwjCv6b0w8qLAxVyT0EAHa7YI6wQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=s%26p+500+returns&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiD3MmcCA1MDAgcmV0dXJuczILEAAYgAQYkQIYigUyCxAAGIAEGJECGIoFMgsQABiABBiRAhiKBTIFEAAYgAQyCxAAGIAEGJECGIoFMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgARIqhxQ3ANYkhpwAngAkAEAmAFVoAHiBqoBAjE5uAEDyAEA-AEBmAIToALBBsICChAAGLADGNYEGEfCAg0QABiABBiwAxhDGIoFwgIZEC4YgAQYsAMY0QMYQxjHARjIAxiKBdgBAcICChAjGIAEGCcYigXCAgoQABiABBhDGIoFwgIKEAAYgAQYFBiHAsICDRAAGIAEGLEDGBQYhwLCAhAQABiABBixAxiDARgUGIcCwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwGYAwCIBgGQBgu6BgQIARgIkgcCMTmgB8eKAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

Banks don't give money for free, that's delusional, The list price of the car will go up only you don't see it and assume the credit is free, why does anyone think VW or RCI bank offer 0% ? they add it on to the cost of the car.

A car is a really bad investment.

Paying that amount of cash would be better off spent on a 2nd hand car for cash and own it and suffer a lot less depreciation. Less tax to the Government !