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Ford Focus 1.5 TDCI possible battery issue

  • 29-12-2024 4:10pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭


    Hi,

    I'm getting some warnings on the car about Hill start assist and city stop. On using forscan i see the details below.

    There seems to be a lot of errors, I was thinking maybe the battery is bad. I tested the other morning and it was 11.8V howemver after driving I retested and it was 12.6V which i believe is correct. Would it still be worth trying a new battery? It's 10 year old battery and car isn't driven that much, but when it is i'ts normally long journeys. Sometimes when i get in with the key in my pocket it doesn't pick it up, so I press a couple of buttons on the key before starting.

    If i do get a new battery do I need a Start/Stop one? the installed one seems to be:CC1T10655BA, which is EFB 75Ah 700A.

    This type of battery is a resonalbe price but the start/stop which the shop websites recommend are a lot more pricey.

    MAybe it's a loose or damaged wire to the ABS module but there are other random erros there too.

    Anybody have similar experience?

    THanks

    ===OBDII DTC P013A-P===
    Code: P013A - O2 Sensor Slow Response - Rich to Lean Bank 1 Sensor 2

    ===FDSM DTC U0415:81-88===
    Code: U0415 - Invalid Data Received From Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Control Module

    Additional Fault Symptom (:81):

    • Invalid Serial Data Received

    ===ABS DTC C003A:29-68===
    Code: C003A - Right Rear Wheel Speed Sensor

    Additional Fault Symptom (:29):

    • Signal Invalid

    ===ABS DTC C0051:62-68===
    Code: C0051 - Steering Wheel Position Sensor

    Additional Fault Symptom (:62):

    • Signal Compare Failure

    Status (-68):

    • Previously Set DTC - Not Present at Time of Request
    • Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC
    • Test not complete

    Module: Antilock braking system

    ===RCM DTC U0140:00-28===
    Code: U0140 - Lost Communication With Body Control Module

    Status (-28):

    • Previously Set DTC - Not Present at Time of Request
    • Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

    Module: Restraint Control Module

    ===PAM DTC U0415:00-28===
    Code: U0415 - Invalid Data Received From Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Control Module

    Status (-28):

    • Previously Set DTC - Not Present at Time of Request
    • Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

    Module: Parking Aid Module

    ===PSCM DTC U0415:00-48===
    Code: U0415 - Invalid Data Received From Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Control Module

    Status (-48):

    • Previously Set DTC - Not Present at Time of Request
    • Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC
    • Test not complete

    Module: Power Steering Control Module

    ===BCMii DTC B1A79:15-28===
    Code: B1A79 - Rear Fog Lamp

    Additional Fault Symptom (:15):

    • Circuit Short To Battery Or Open


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,422 ✭✭✭User1998


    Have you tried clearing the errors



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭mp3ireland2


    Yeah they returned shortly afterwards. I think replacing the battery is all I could do myself, otherwise i'd have to bring it in but not convinced it would help if voltage is good after it's been driven.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    12.6v right after driving is residual charge from the alternator, ideally a battery should be tested for voltage after it's been sitting for a few hours, or even overnight and check the volts first thing in the morning, that would be the "true" reading, providing there's no parasitic draw.

    My battery sits around 12.2v when tested with the above method, although it's about 6 years old so doing well, 10 years old I'd definitely replace it if you think there's an issue with it.

    As above,clear codes and see what comes back to see what DTC is genuine and what was just because battery voltage dipped too low.

    Don't put a regular battery in a car that requires a stop/start. Technically it will work. But might not last anywhere near as long. Those stop start batteries are heavy duty and expensive for a reason, and usually have to send a lot more power to the starter motor which is a hefty, tandem solenoid starter motor for stop/start equipped cars. so a regular battery may lead to longer crank times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭mp3ireland2


    Thanks for the clarification about the charge, when i measured in morning down to 11.8.

    The battery is confusing as I was recomended stop/statart but the one that's in it doesn't seem to be stop start, when I look up CC1T-10655-BA.

    Actually I now reliase you can get a standard version of CC1T-10655-BA or a stop start version…..that is what was confusing me. Not knowing much about batteries i thought it was a sepcific model number and the stop start version would have a different number.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    11.8v battery is dead as a doornail, it's able to take a charge from the alternator while driving, but not hold a charge when engine is off, i.e needs replacing.

    quick and approximate way to think of it is a 12.6v battery loses 10% state of charge (SoC) for every 0.1v less that it measures

    So,

    12.5v is 90%

    12.4v is 80%

    12.3v is 70%

    And so on..

    Obviously colder ambient temperatures can affect the readings, so it's to be taken with a pinch of salt.

    Yours in the photo is a stop start battery.

    See where it says Enhanced flooded? That's known as EFB and that's what you'll see on listing's. EFB batteries are used for stop start, other types are AGM and are also used as stop start batteries. So that's how you'll know it's suitable for stop/start.

    Just buy another battery with the part number on that one or you can use the information on the green strip. The 75Ah and 700A should be the same at least, you can get higher numbers of those for an upgraded battery, at an increased cost. And just make sure the terminals are in the correct orientation, I know on that car the closest terminal to you is the positive.

    On that, it's a pain in the hole of a battery to change, airbox needs to come off, fair bit of unclipping, and even then it's well recessed and it's not light so mind your back pulling it out if you're doing so yourself.

    Upside though, you do not need to code the stop/start battery on modern fords when replacing, they have a passive re-learning system in place that will do it for you over a day or so after install, I've had this confirmed by my local Ford main dealer.

    You can still go into settings with a scan tool and relearn it the usual way, for peace of mind.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭mp3ireland2


    Thanks for all the guidance. I'm actually passing through the north at the weekend so I'll pick one up there, seem to be €60 cheaper for same battery in euro car parts. I do have a jump starter thing if it goes that far but haven't noticed any issues starting it yet, hopefully the new battery sorts out the codes when I clear them. Given your info on the battery being dead i'm more optimistic now, a fairly simple fix!

    Thanks for heads up also that it's a bit of work, I'll look up a youtube video!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    Once it starts it'll be charged to above 14v by the alternator so I'd say you'll be grand. Bad batteries can cause a lot of codes to pop up on modern cars because so many systems require a healthy battery voltage to operate the system sh1ts itself when it thinks it doesn't have the required volts. I'd imagine the vast majority will clear with a new battery installed except for the right rear ABS sensor and steering angle sensor are related to each other, and the bulb.

    Plenty info on YT. Look up 1.5 and 1.6 diesel battery replacement for focus,kuga,mondeo, they're all the same.

    I did the job on a Kuga, much less space as the engine bay is "shorter" , you'll have more space in the focus, have a good trim removal tool there's 3 or 4 plastic push pins that hold wiring to the front plate that covers over the battery, they are very tight to come out,I ended up just cutting the cable ties around the battery but it was the height of winter more of an emergency repair and I had limited tools with me.

    I'd remove the ground stud to the right first thing, most just remove the positive because it's closer but you risk shorting out the system with the negative still connected, it's located here, there will be sparks,don't worry about it,think it's a 12 or 13mm wrench or long hex socket needed

    This is a decent video on it. Best of luck



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭mp3ireland2


    Just an update here I got the battery changed following videos, some people were suggested a shortcut where you didn't need to remove the air filter box but I did it the longer way, as the batteries are heavy and better manual handling if you create more space.

    Unfortunatley whilst everything working fine, the battery replacement hasn't resolved the errors i'm getting, they weren't present back in august so strange to get stuff like invalid serial data recieved or incorrect component installed, as nothing was changed on these! I'll do a bit of googling but think i'll have to bring to mechanic. I did rest them a few times but they always come back

    ===FDSM DTC U0415:81-8B===
    Code: U0415 - Invalid Data Received From Anti-Lock Brake System (ABS) Control Module

    Additional Fault Symptom (:81):

    • Invalid Serial Data Received

    Status (-8B):

    • DTC Present at Time of Request
    • Malfunction Indicator Lamp is On for this DTC

    Module: Front Distance Sensing Module

    Freeze Frame #1:
    -EVENT_TIME: 319745950 s (Sat Jan 11 11:41:15 2025) - Event time
    -TOTAL_DISTANCE: 130438 km - Total Distance
    -MODULE_VOLTAGE: 14.3 V - Control Module Voltage
    -INCAR_TEMPERATURE: 9 °C - In car temperature
    -OUTDOOR_TEMPERATURE: 5 °C - Outside temperature
    -PWR_MODE_QF: Power Mode Undefined - Power Mode Quality Factor
    -POWERMODE: Running - Power Mode
    ===END FDSM DTC U0415:81-8B===

    ===ABS DTC C003A:4A-2B===
    Code: C003A - Right Rear Wheel Speed Sensor

    Additional Fault Symptom (:4A):

    • Incorrect Component Installed

    Status (-2B):

    • DTC Present at Time of Request
    • Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

    Module: Antilock braking system

    Freeze Frame #1:
    -EVENT_TIME: 319745952 s (Sat Jan 11 11:41:18 2025) - Event time
    -MODULE_VOLTAGE: 14.3 V - Control Module Voltage
    -POWER_MODE: error - Power Mode Status
    -AYC: Inactive - AYC
    -ABS: Inactive - ABS
    -BTCS: Inactive - BTCS -201D
    -RSC: Inactive - RSC
    -BTC: Inactive - BTC
    -HDC: Inactive - HDC
    -VAC_BST_ST: Inactive - Active Vacuum Booster State
    -BST_REL_SW: Inactive - Booster Release Switch State
    -HYD_PMP_ST: Inactive - Hydraulic Pump State
    -ECU_POWER_SUPPLY: 14.5 V - ECU Power Supply Voltage
    -VSS: 0.0 km/h - Vehicle Speed
    ===END ABS DTC C003A:4A-2B===

    ===BCMii DTC U2101:00-2F===
    Code: U2101 - Control Module Configuration Incompatible

    Status (-2F):

    • DTC Present at Time of Request
    • Malfunction Indicator Lamp is Off for this DTC

    Module: Body Control Module

    Freeze Frame #1:
    -EVENT_TIME: 319745953 s (Sat Jan 11 11:41:18 2025) - Event time
    -TOTAL_DISTANCE: 130438 km - Total Distance
    -MODULE_VOLTAGE: 14.5 V - Control Module Voltage
    -INCAR_TEMPERATURE: 9 °C - In car temperature
    -PWR_MODE_QF: Power Mode OK - Power Mode Quality Factor
    -PWR_MODE_KEY: Running - Power Mode Key State
    ===END BCMii DTC U2101:00-2F===



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭colm reilly


    Would the new battrey have to be coded to the car ? Mk5 mondeo and im sure i coded it 2.0 tdci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    As said previously you have an ABS fault, get the right rear sensor looked at/replaced.

    The first code U0415, "U" codes in DTC language has got to do with communication, so the ABS module doesn't like what information is being received i.e if an ABS sensor in fcuked and its telling the module that particular wheel is doing vastly different speeds to the other 3, the ABS module will throw a code and it's very likely related to C003A and both will clear if/when the right rear ABS sensor is sorted. Could be the sensor itself, could be the magnetic pickup on the wheel hub, either way get it looked at.

    Do you have front parking sensors that aren't working? Front distance sensing module would relate to that.

    The rest is freeze frame stuff which is just like a screenshot of basic info when the codes appeared, so really you have maybe 2 issues there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭mp3ireland2


    Thanks for code info, that freeze frame stuff makes sense i didn't really get why all the extra info. I actually don't remember if my front sensors ever worked! Yeah i've contacted the garage so i'll get it sorted now. Some others seemed to get it resolved with new battery so was worth a shot, although was dusbious as if altenator supplying power when in motion hard to see how low voltage would imapct it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    Yeah if you didn't know and see a long list of info on the DTC you'd think you have many issues when it's just the 1 and all the freeze frame data.

    First thing I'd check is that ABS sensor, could potentially be causing the parking sensors fault aswell if the ECU is unsure of wheel speeds, like I said you'd be surprised how many modules can get affected by 1 fault.

    Recently changed an ABS sensor on the sisters Ford Ka+ and it was throwing steering angle sensor and yaw rate codes, along with the ABS sensor code and the dash was lighting up like a Christmas tree because of that one €30 part.

    An alternator in good shape will still charge a crappy battery up to running voltage, just puts more strain on the Alternator, when batteries go bad it's not so much the voltage they can take its the voltage they level off at when at rest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭mp3ireland2


    Thanks so by forking out on a new battery I have potentially lenngthened the life of the altenator as well as not have the battery fail badly when it was needed! So I don't feel like I've wasted that money so!

    Just had a look and I don't have front parking sensors, so like you are saying it must be the ABS sensor causing some sort of error. Yeah i did have a steering wheel error also recently but when i cleared everything that one hasn't come back…yet! A new ABS sensor doesn't seem too pricey anway, shoudln't be too much more than €100 to diagnose and install if that's the issue, I'm guessing!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    Could be yeah, for a 10 year old battery probably best to have it replaced anyway.

    Rear ABS sensors are incorporated into the hub but I think you can replace the sensor by itself on that car,and shouldn't be too bad to replace as it'd be plastic connector into the plastic backing of the wheel hub. No metal corrosion and rust to deal with so should be cheap enough.

    If you're any bit handy with tools you could replace it yourself. All it'd be is jack car up, wheel off and one screw and electrical connector and the sensor will pull out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭mp3ireland2


    Thanks it doesn't sound any worse than replacing the battery was so could be worth a shot! I'll take a look at the video and see where i can find one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    For something like an ABS sensor I'd go genuine so ring your local ford dealer and ask for a price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭wandererz


    I'm getting similar issues on my BMW 3 series.

    The ABS sensor is gone. Caused by warping/expanding of the Reluctor ring / ABS ring. I know this because when I removed the sensor on the wheel side I could see scraping marks. My ABS ring has ribs on it which cause the chafing when it expands over time.

    Your vehicle seems to have a magnetic Reluctor ring, so shouldn't cause that chafing. However, the ring itself could have cracked and is not working as expected.

    I would suggest replacing the ABS Sensor first. It shouldn't be a be a problem to do so, as explained above. It should be a DIY job. YouTube it for your vehicle.

    Check Autodoc or similar sites for pricing for the sensor. It's a very simple sensor so doesn't need to be bought from Ford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    For the sake of 30-40 quid for genuine its better to go that route, if the genuine sensor was 100 quid then maybe look at a quality aftermarket brand, but for 40 quid, get a Ford part



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    As a side note, I noticed on that video if you did want to or need to replace the wheel bearing assembly it's just 4 simple bolts, only Ford decided to use "E-torx plus" bolts for them, which means basically every single person who tries to do this repair DIY will have to go off and buy another set of sockets.

    Just an example of manufacturers trying to discourage people from doing their own repairs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,866 ✭✭✭wandererz


    Or course. It depends on what the dealer is charging compared to others. It's a 3rd party manufactured part anyway. Certainly on the Ford's I've owned previously.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭MiskyBoyy


    Had this issue in the wife's Focus. Replaced the battery with a new one as it was the original battery in it still and could do with replacing at 8+ years old I thought. Issue still persisted.

    Then replaced both ABS sensors in the rear, which were handy enough to do. A quick drive and faults all cleared and haven't come back since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭mp3ireland2


    Yeah it doesn't look too bad from the video, once they wheel is off i'm guessing access is ok. I've ordered the part and a Trolley jack so i'll give it a go anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭MiskyBoyy


    Trickiest part was having to use my phones selfie cam as a mirror to see what I was doing tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭BlakeS94




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭mp3ireland2


    Just an update here, I purchased a hydraulic trolley jack, a comfort kneeling pad from Halfords, The telscopic mirror above…

    Despite advice above I bought the ABS module for £10 delivered from amazon ( had very good reviews)

    Tedious is not the word for this job! Took me so long to even get the electric connection off! I thought my flexible electronic screwdriver extension would be perfect for the job but it didn't seem to have the power required, even when connected to an Impact Driver. I didn't have a tool a fitting to connect the Torx 25 to my socket wrench. I eventually remebered I'd a tiny little rachet driver in the house so i eventually got the bolt to budge with this. I only had space to move about 1/6 of a revolution at a time so it took ages! I think the issue was white stuff in the threads…galling perhaps? I clenend them anyway and put some WD40 on them. Getting things back in place wasn't too bad. When I'd the wheel off i noticed a screw in it so even went and got that sorted, €10 and took 5 mins so was very handy.

    All sorted now anyway those warnings gone. Thanks for the advice here. Glad I did it myself even if it was frustrating at times.

    I still have Code: U2101 - Control Module Configuration Incompatible

    Had a quick google and perhaps it's becuase i disabled my tyre pressure indicators and thery should be enabled in this region? I didn't google too much though as I've had enough for today!

    New battery, nail removed from Tyre and a new wheel speed sensor since I started the thread,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    "Glad I did it myself even if it was frustrating at times" that's the nature of working on your own car im afraid. The sense of achievement is always worth it though.

    Glad it's sorted for you and money saved.

    Might spur you on to tackle other jobs and head further down the rabbit hole, I originally started just doing oil changes about 7 years ago, I now have enough tools to open a shop and have worked on every part of the car besides big jobs like clutches etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭mp3ireland2


    Yeah with youtube videos specific to make and model of the vehicle it's quite handy. I've done filter and oil changes before but never tried changing break discs or pads yet, maybe that will be the next thing..I imagine less finicky than this job!

    I said i'd invest in a decent jack and the comfort pad and even got a torque wrench with the money i saved doing it myself. I'll also need to order a new set of nuts for the wheels as one of them was quite rounded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,333 ✭✭✭BlakeS94


    Brakes are pretty easy, people are afraid of them but it's 4 bolts, 2 quite tight and 2 not really tight, good bit of cleaning and greasing.

    Get a 18.5-19.5mm double ended socket its usually just the caps on ford nuts that cause issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,426 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    but never tried changing break discs or pads yet,

    This is not me being a grammar nazi, but just an observation on something that happened recently while doing a Google search for car breakers. Pretty much every result was about car brakes. I don't know if this is caused by predictive text or people just misspelling 'brakes', but it got me thinking about how AI and search engines could fall foul of text speak and other shortcut spellings or misspellings.

    Sorry for going OT.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭mp3ireland2


    Haha no bother I'm normal pretty good for it...I don't think I can blame predictive text... I'll say I was tired after the job took longer than expected😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,426 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    Ah yeah, as I said, not having a go. Just interesting to see how Google can be fooled. Garbage in garbage out as we used to say. AI is not going to take over the world. 🤣



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