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The Drones of 2024/25

  • 06-01-2025 12:42am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭


    This mystery has carried on for almost a month with zero explanation - thus no action or resolution taken so far, to prevent them.

    Background of the US East Coast drones:
    https://www.itv.com/news/2024-12-16/what-we-know-about-the-mysterious-drones-flying-over-the-united-states

    Shortly afterwards, the UK and Germany (with security elevation):
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cq8q5q53ypjt

    Couple of days ago, were reports in Denmark also:
    https://apnews.com/article/denmark-drones-port-police-investigation-18e41a09ff8ce2638c79846ad64cf92e

    The wildest claim so far just days ago, is from the Telsa-Vegas lad, suggesting Chinese subs in Atlantic were sending them out, using 'gravitic propulsion systems' (manipulates gravitational fields to generate movement, anti-gravity):
    https://www.newsweek.com/matthew-livelsberger-had-theory-about-mystery-drones-alleged-manifesto-2009560

    Is it just an over use of hobbyist consumer drones?
    If so, can anyone recommend the best drone stock or shares to buy in 2025, and cash in on it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    It has fizzled out as morons are recording weather instead of planes. And what would someone with severe mental health issues know of China’s submarine activity?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Due to the escalating human crisis on earth, these UAP are appearing now. Since it hasn't exploded enough to be mainstream, this part is not going to be believable to many. In response to non-human UAPs appearing, the controller group sends a UAP in to muddy the waters. The question will arise: "Why would they do that?" This part will become more knowledgeable over the next year, regardless of how wild it seems now. We live on a prison planet, and it has been this way for thousands of years.

    As a result of a massive war between different groups in space, this colony was left over from one of those conflicts. Non-human group have managed the planet in conjunction with people on earth who control everything. War and power greed maintain the control mechanism.

    Also, they maintain the narrative of UAP as nonsense and make-believe to maintain the functioning of the control system. The entire control system does not function once we realize that we are not alone. The planet is a prison planet, and we are not supposed to know too much about its history.

    As a result of this change over the past year, this group of nonhumans has decided to intervene and put an end to this prison planet, bringing us back into the fold away from the other group on earth. It sounds like science fiction. The process will take place over the course of this year. It's not years away. The group that is coming in does not want to scare the population at once. It is not an invasion. The first thing they want us to realize is that this planet is being held hostage. Next, we need to decide whether we prefer how things are or whether we want to join them. This is how they introduce themselves.

    I will not say much more until more people are exposed to this. At the moment, it sounds crazy. The event will take place over the next six months. Starting in January and continuing through the summer. The controllers on earth are obviously not happy with this issue and will play deceptive games to maintain their position similar to what they did in New Jersey. There will be more and larger UFOs visible over the next year.

    Another thing I'm not sure about is whether the trump tower car bomb was a deception effort to hide what was going to happen by blaming it on a foreign actor. However, there will be deceptions in order to control the narrative of the control system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    For the last seven years we have been told "any day now', so now we have something definite before June 30th. What happens when this doesn't pan out? Is there already an pre-existing excuse? How can the controllers on earth be more powerful than this inter galactic civilization, and why couldn't these controllers give the man (who was obviously one of may thousands of military veterans suffering from ptsd or the like) who blew up the Homer Simpson car something more powerful than fireworks?

    Is it the Anukai that is coming?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭These Are Facts


    The drones/uaps could well be non-human, indications are they're highly evasive, and defying the laws of known physics.

    Ancient literature does indeed point towards the Anunnaki, and suggests they'll return. The other 'Anukai?' mentioned just above, are a logistics company from India.

    More sightings today at bases in Tennessee, Scotland and again at RAF Mildenhall & Lakenheath (within the last 24hrs). The latest trend is of orange glowing orbs in various locations, including the epicentre: New Jersey.

    The easiest thing to do would be to take them all down using (existing) directed energy weaponary and so on, show the press the aftermath e.g. branding, flags or serial numbers, track and call out the perps. Much like the China baloons incident last year.

    Instead, weeks on, it goes on without remedy, so the longer speculation will grow.

    Other theories could be 'project blue book' (false invasion) as a control mechanism. Or self-aware SuperAGI reactive-evasive machines, from an unknown source.

    Assuming it's not groups of youths with new DJI's as Christmas gifts, the behaviour points to either surveillance and preperation for a friendly contact, or… for war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,653 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Did these drones ever show up when it was pissing rain? Or was it usually on nice dry nights/considering a regular drone would fly in



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,057 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    I watch a lot of CNN and when Luigi shot the CEO of United Health, I remember an Analyst on with Anderson Cooper mentioning that the NYPD had launched their drones as part of the search for him.

    I had a brief, "Wait, wut?" moment.

    It seems everyone and his or her Mum has a drone at this stage. Amazon have them, now the NYPD, the Navy have them. There are retail deliveries happening via drone in Dublin now. Actually, if you watch the latest Ghostbusters movie, even they had them.

    Lights in the sky was interesting back when there was not much else up there. Today, there is all manner of things flying around there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,658 ✭✭✭con747


    Drones have been used by emergency services around the world for years.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭mikehammer..


    Military will be doing something to counter the terrorist threat with drones anyhow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Yet all we were given as proof were videos of planes.
    If it was project blue beam, the alien invasion is going to be pretty under whelming.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 989 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    Elon Musk …. everything weird and spacey in the world has in some way to do with him …..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭These Are Facts


    The suggestion that all of these globally, are just airplanes is extremely lazy.

    Indeed consumer and commercial drones are becoming more common, but have a very limited ceiling height, capabilities and hardware set OEM light patterns.

    These UAPs have been presenting some curious aspects:

    1. Mimicry, Imitating (poorly) aircraft appearance in light, and sound, however either erratic or unusual static blue or orange lights were also observed, deviating from standard aviation lighting, may indicate predatory behaviour.
    2. Silent, and 'off-shore' return to base patterns
      Often hovering silently before accelerating at unnatural speeds, suggesting the use of advanced technology or non-physicality. Many also returned to an 'at sea' positions off the NJ coast, and at UK, Denmark.
    3. Morphing Shape
      In size, shape, quantity and dynamic group behaviour
    4. Lack of Radio Identification Signals
      as required by FAA/CAA/EASA etc ID Rules
    5. No Radar Detection
      Suggests stealth conditions
    6. Sudden Disappearance
      The ability to suddenly 'go dark'
    7. Zero Heat Signature, or viewable only via infrared optics
      The Jellyfish one in the Middle East was only visable with the US's I-red camera optics.
    8. Size, Duration & Formation
      Denmark had over 20 large ones, their cops viewed 4 on arrival at the harbour
    9. Proximity to Sensitive Areas
      Most US/UK sites now have recent site risks escalated
    10. Trans-Medium Travel
      Non function loss, when travelling between air, water and space
    11. Anti-drone Weaponry Resistance
      With no frequency signatures, the reason none have been taken down, and recorded on ground by the press.
    12. Environmental Resistance
      One of the now-famous US Navy observed craft, as the pilot described, flew against 120 knot headwinds, and changed positioning instantly, G-forces that would turn pilots to mush.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO_M0hLlJ-Q

    So more questions than answers remain...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    But no evidence has been presented for any of this, just people either genuinely not knowing they saw a plane or looking for attention, then for some reason an explosion in Las Vegas gets thrown in with all of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    If you press enter after pasting your link, it makes it easy for us to just click and view.

    I have a DJI Air drone that can fly over 3000feet in height and the distance is only limited by the 40 minute battery. It has an intense light built into the underside of the body that makes it look like a star at this altitude. Others more tech savvy can synchronise their drones for desired effect. In all likelihood, the footage in those links are hoaxes.

    Propulsion is impossible in a vacuum such as that which they tell us is in space. Any aliens/UFOs out there are coming from within our own atmosphere, either from cohabitants we know about or ones we don't, they are not from space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    Conservation of momentum is what allows ignition and propulsion of gases to cause thrust in space. A well understood phenomenon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    What is hidden is that what lies beyond is not peaceful. Nonhuman groups have been fighting longer than we can imagine, and this planet has long been a prison planet for prisoners of that ancient war. Our space area has been witnessing a cold war between nonhuman groups. A reason why UFOs have operated in secret before is that if they appeared in mass suddenly in the past history and there were no communications, masses would have gone into shock.

    We are ancient relatives of this group appearing now and decided the time is right to intervene since we have reached a point of communication that can cause the prison system to collapse once bad things keep happening on earth and people start questioning everything.

    In the near future, the cold war will come to an end. Controllers on earth are aware we live on a prison planet, but have chosen to go along with it. There are those who oppose disclosure because once the truth is revealed, everything changes.

    The purpose of people in government dropping nonsense stories like Iranian mothers ship releasing drones and Chinese antigravity drones is to confuse people and make them think they've been invaded.

    In order to restart the war in our area of space, we must be desperate for their assistance. Our state needs to be one that understands we've been misled about everything. A major intervention will occur in 2025 as the crisis on this planet worsens.

    The mindset of people like you and others has to change before the cold war ends, and that will happen in stages over the next six months. The group showed up shooting, if you ask the masses who they think the enemy is today, they'll assume the good guys are the bad guys. The process of disclosing secrets to billions of people on earth is very complicated and certain things must happen in order to break down a long-running prison system.

    Don't believe a word I say...observe instead

    What is the reason for government leaders' panic over drones near sensitive sites? What is happening is not being revealed in a truthful manner. Members of Congress and senators are not receiving answers from their own military. It makes sense to you that someone can fly a drone over a sensitive site without getting shot down, that's on you.

    It should now be clear why ufos haven't been disclosed for 70 years.

    It has already begun in November with the first phase. The second stage will occur around January or February. You don't have long to wait



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Nope. You have to follow all three laws, neither NASA nor Aliens can' pick and choose the laws they follow. Newton's 3rd can't work on it's own without Newton's 1st law which states "An object at rest remains at rest, or if in motion, remains in motion at a constant velocity unless acted on by a net external force"

    No external force, no motion I'm afraid. Better luck next time NASA, the footage from space is 100% fake (as is SpaceX's).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭These Are Facts


    Any advanced intergalactic races will likely write their own laws, beyond our understanding such as anti-gravity ion propulsion, wormholes and inter dimensional placement.

    It wasn't that long ago that humans though the world was flat, until it was proved beyond doubt, otherwise.

    2025 certainly seems to be the year of the drones, in the Ukr an old lady is busy taking down Rus Shahed-136s drones, with an old 1946 twin-mounted 50mm >. In LA there are 'no drones' road signs just went up, to prevent nosey folks near the fires. Holiday flightpaths from Birmingham will face travel disruption from US RQ-4 Global Hawks taking off nearby, multiple times per week.

    Meanwhile, Trump says: ‘I’m going to give you a report on drones (UAP types) about 1 day into the administration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,893 ✭✭✭ozmo


    Dont think anyone in History thought world was flat. Ancient Greeks even worked out its diameter. (Eratosthenes in about 200 BC)

    Every army now seems to have drones, or doing catchup when they have seen how effective they are, I dont see why it couldnt be military practice. Possibly they are even just practice targets for detection systems.

    That or hobbiests trolling.

    “Roll it back”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    So you don't know how rockets work, ok. Igniting fuel causes expanding, pressurised gases to expel out the back of the rocket, while doing this it pushes against the rocket and the remaining fuel (as there is additional pressure, or forces in the system), creating an equal but opposite reaction. There ya go, now you know!

    Of course, you just grabbed it from Google didn't you, you quote mining cherry picker you!

    Here is the actual law.

    Corpus omne perseverare in statu suo quiescendi vel movendi uniformiter in directum, nisi quatenus illud a viribus impressis cogitur statum illum mutare.

    Cheeky guy, writing in Latin for god sake!

    In English

    Every body perseveres in its state of rest, or of uniform motion in a right line, unless it is compelled to change that state by forces impressed thereon.

    But because you didn't know this, you should not really comment on anything more sophisticated than a paper plane in future, as you seem to have a less-than-layman's idea of things.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    The last paragraph is definitely going to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    You shouldn't bring a banana to a gunfight.

    I have read several books on Newton and in addition to reading the entirety of Principia, I've read hundreds of letters sent to and from Newton at the time arguing different merits and shortfalls of his publication. I know exactly how the laws are worded, my translation was specifically for the benefit of those like you who misinterpret them.

    You used the word in your own quote but failed to acknowledge the importance of it. "Impressis" or "impressed" means an external force or influence on a body resulting in a change of state. The source of this simply cannot be from the body itself, you cannot create your own external force. It would be tantamount to lifting yourself up by the bootstraps.

    To summarise, (and keep it vaguely on topic) - No air/medium, therefore no propulsion, therefore no aliens from space, therefore the source of the drones simply has to be from within our own atmosphere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    It isn't from the body itself though, as there is pressure created by a reaction. How do you think explosions work? All forces generating by particles hitting each other are external to each other. The rocket isn't a single "body" that requires a force externally to push it. Do you think that? Really? What do you think the fuel is doing then? You are the guy who thought a blue background showing a grid was a blue screen though remember that? You were wrong there too. "Your" translation by the way was word for word the first result in Google.

    It's ok, you are playing a game "I can argue any point, I'm really smart". I don't think I've ever seen you argue a single point successfully on this forum. Mostly because you make up nonsense ad-hoc, or copy known conspiracy grifters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    Questioning the sources and questioning the poster rather than the arguments - reminds me of another notorious ex-poster of the forum...

    pressure created by a reaction

    What is this supposed to mean?

    How do you think explosions work?

    Explosions work by the conversion of mass to a sudden expansion of energy in the form of heat, light and other forms of mass. If you are implying that this is how a rocket propels itself then you are misinformed. As the explosion is internal to the rockets system, it still requires an external force to propel itself off. Otherwise, net change in motion = 0. You can throw Newton's 3rd at me all you like - the system can't violate Newton's 1st



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    I just explained it to you. Its gases are propelled into the body of the rocket and out the exhaust in equal measure and every other direction in roughly equal directions, this propels the rocket, as the momentum is preserved by gases hitting the inside of the rocket and other gas particles within the rocket. The gases end up then, outside the rocket meaning the force is UNBALANCED along that vector (or similar vectors), so they do not cancel the force exerted in the other direction. This is easy to see here on earth too, you can set a pressurised can of soda in a vacuum and see it move before any material even leaves the can and hits the edge. So there we go, nothing wrong with the 1st law. So you lied about reading it, or didn't understand it. It's pretty easy to understand. Do you think it doesn't work like that? You should probably do up a paper and present it. You would earn millions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    Propulsion is impossible in a vacuum such as that which they tell us is in space.

    You're not trying this again are you? If I'd been so widely ridiculed as you were the last time you tried to make this claim, and in the process showed that you have no understanding of basic physics, I'd never be seen again.

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    Warned: attack the post not the poster

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    That's simply not how physics works. If you release a high pressure in a vacuum it will simply vent to fill the space. It's not going to propel you anywhere. It's internal so would break Newton's first law if you think it would move the system. I've heard all the examples before, I've looked at all the "proof" that people sent me saying "Newton's 3rd law allows us to propel ourselves everywhere" then show videos of cartoons with someone flying around on skateboards after throwing a bowling ball or that guy with the fire extiguisher propelling himself around the US. Those videos are all fraudulent or are using sketchy artistic license. Nothing can propel itself without a medium around it full stop. Not sure where you are going with the "can of soda"

    Also, stop throwing around accusations of "Lies". You really aren't doing yourself any favours…



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,301 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Folks, the discussion is not about how rockets work. Keep to the topic. Any further off topic posts will be deleted and warnings will be applied.

    HS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    So while there is nothing in Physics preventing the act of travel as discussed and agreed by any serious physicist, the distances and time involved mean that it's a very difficult problem to solve no matter how advanced you are, as you would think civilizations that could do interstellar travel, would limit themselves to local stars first, and probably with very simple craft that do nothing more than survey first. While a billion years of additional evolution may solve that issue in some cases, the bigger issue is that pretty much every UAP has turned out to be something just ordinary… I've seen a few debunked cases where the "speeds" of the UAPs involved are just parallax, but still rolled out as proof by UAP experts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,676 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed, as for sightings, around 90% of cases are parallax (as per AARO) and the rest of them are aircraft or drones or artifacts on gimbling cameras or radar.

    There are few remaining that haven't been 100% identified (however there are some strong theories) which is understandable. Millions of cameras pointed at the sky (or underwater) are going to produce pieces of footage that can't be 100% identified.

    None of the recent revelations from people like Grusch or any others turned out to have any verified evidence, it was all hearsay. Much of which could be linked back to a core of believers.

    As for the "East Coast Drones", it looks like it's related to people looking at the night sky and seeing aircraft, helicopters and drones - thinking they saw "something", going on social media with it, causing more people to look at the night sky creating more cases, turning it into a thing. Confirmation and selection bias.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,666 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    snip

    We're on a road to nowhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭These Are Facts


    i) We could be a 'local' star to some advanced life form, else they detected our unique RF emissions and signs of life from distance.
    ii) You're still assuming our limited knowledge of travel, is matched by any advanced civilisations. We've gone from rowing boats, wooden planes and horses, to ICE, jets, electric/hydrogen travel and all within the blink of an eye, nevermind Musk's plans, to land on Mars shortly.
    iii) UAPs remain 'unidentified' until they're proven otherwise, hence the name.
    iv) None of the 'unidentified' UAPs and drones have been downed, even if they're just doing surveys, human operated or not. Even if 90% of the slower, blinking light types can be identified, it leaves the other 10% faster ones, without FAA lights, that have freely entered highly controlled spaces (without engagement) as 'unexplained'.

    Pres. Trump has left some wiggle room on 21st Jan, as he said 'about' day one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    All the unidentifieds are still just aliens of the gaps. Trump will deliver nothing on the subject on day one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,676 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Keep in mind, going from rowing boat to a jet engine doesn't automatically mean there's another exponential leap there. Also we've have had rowing boats for thousands of years and we still have them. Musk will be using a rocket to get to Mars. We could easily be running iterations of rockets for the next few thousand years and still having difficulty getting outside our solar system in any meaningful way

    Unidentified footage comprises 100% unclear (e.g. blurry, flir, gimbling, B/W, night vision, etc) footage. Not 99%, not 99.9%. We all have HD cameras everywhere (including in our back pockets). Unless "alien visitors" have manage to remain just out of view every single time whilst still happening to cross the galaxy then crash in a cornfield - then something isn't adding up there.

    If Trump releases something it will very likely be similar to whatever has been released recently. Accounts of things with no verifiable evidence, e.g. a Navy person once saw something strange, a group of technicians once got a strange reading on radar, a new video of something blurry and so on. If I had to guess, it will be old-hat stuff from previous decades. Calling it now (called Grusch, Elizondo and others).

    Also calling that AI video will play a part in the next chapter of "sightings". There's a significant market for this and someone will always try to meet that demand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭These Are Facts


    Germany tells troops to shoot down drones on sight after wave of suspicious UAVs was seen over military sites amid hybrid war with Russia >

    The ministry said that security services have noted that reports of sightings of 'uncooperative' drones, over critical infrastructure and military properties in Germany are increasing

    You'd think they would do this already (and other countries) and ask questions later, but it still has to be passed through their parliments (buying extra time for the mystery, that has ran since early December).

    Considering the Bear is pushing N'Kor lads to their extermination and loosing loads of boats, wouldn't be confident that it is them capable of such acts, across various distant countries.

    Trump will indeed likely not deliver much info on day one (too busy), and he used the escape phrase 'about' in regards to day 1.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,998 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    "If you release a high pressure in a vacuum it will simply vent to fill the space. It's not going to propel you anywhere."


    "Venting" eh? Newtons first law in action, but you forgot the third law… If you are going to troll, trying being smart first. Who's alt account is this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭These Are Facts


    Tucker Carlson has recently made a shocking claim about the mysterious drones that plagued New Jersey over the last month, saying they were controlled by Chinese mothership satellite.

    He said 'an intel person' told him that the drones 'were in fact Chinese,' explaining the US government took down a Chinese satellite 'that was a command and control satellite for these drones.'

    …hinting at a Beijing-operated satellite known as 'GaoJing 1-02', which was downed (into US territory) on December 21.

    He also rumoured that one of the downed/captured Chinese orbs displayed 'anti-gravity' capabilities. >



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    I think that is quite a big story to go from the Chinese balloons in the news getting shot down to the Chinese using anti gravity drones, which is actually a sci fi propulsion system based on our understanding of science.

    These drones/ships are appearing all over the world, not just in the United States, and have been placed over population centers and military sites for around a year now. Anyone paying attention will see that this is a preparation event to get the attention of the masses.

    The United States media went into a frenzy for weeks because police officers and civilians were having mass sightings. There was an event scheduled by Trump that was canceled due to the presence of drones.

    The television face of the United States government is either confused like others or aware of what is taking place

    Speculations that feel true to you. It could be hobbyist drones misidentifying objects or genuine NHI craft. It is undeniable that the end of 2024 and the start of 2025 is a busy period. My prediction last year was that it would take about a year or two for all to be revealed. It is my expectation that 2025 will be a very significant year in this area. There is a new story circulating the headlines today about the broadcast of a crashed ufo recovery video by Newsnation.

    However, I suspect the credentials are genuine and they are tier 1 operators. I cannot speculate on the content or its genuineness. There is always the possibility that the controllers with NHi tech are beginning to feel the heat from the other group, and that this is a managed disclosure. There is also the possibility that good people are making the disclosure voluntarily. It might not make a difference to the debunkers.. We wait and see



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I suppose the egg retrieval video is a psyop to discredit believers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭These Are Facts


    True enough, many other countries have been getting their important sites 'droned', and have all failed to take them down. Many report their silos getting pushed offline, as happened decades before.

    The downed China GaoJing 1-02 Sat for controlled drones, could be a seperate event, considering they had simplistic ballons floating there for weeks on end not so long ago, maybe they have a shed load of new toys, and their eyes set on taking Taiwan soon.

    The case does seem to still be wide open, the egg video from Newsnation is very poor, in quality and substance, not even worth any consideration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    It may have been the whole purpose of the newsnation Barber story to enlighten the public. Remember that many of these people who appeared since 2017 have intelligence backgrounds working inside US intelligence services. This raises the question of what kind of disclosure is being sought.

    You should always be aware that everything might not be as it seems when it comes to human-based NHi disclosure.

    At this point, what amount of information is permitted to be shared between this claim whistleblower and the investigation? Last night, I saw some hints that we might actually be dealing with some real disclosures in the show. There is a core component of this phenomenon that involves telepathic communication and remote viewing. The fact that tier 1 military operators were involved in this for defence department was not a deception.

    Another thing that is important to take away from this show is that it claimed that during another operation, a UFO engaged another UFO in the air like a dog fight. It didn't occur to me that they would discuss such a reality. Despite the fact that there's some correct information in here, the grainy nighttime footage is making people less interested and making more people doubt the whole UFO topic. There's no telling if it's just a teaser for something better in the future. This broadcast clearly has some information from people in the know dropping into it so that people are aware of what is going to happen. But like I said openness for last two years has a purpose.. It seems that there are a number of factions in the Pentagon who want to keep different things under wraps about UFOs.

    I find it hard to decide whether Luiz Elizondo is a controller agent or someone who truly wants to inform the public of what is going on. Watching a 10 second video at night isn't going to change the attention of the masses. It is going to be a disclosure event from the NHI or public release of materials that will move the topic forward. All the stuff happening since 2017 has a purpose because NHi events are imminent, and they are all designed to wake the public up from its zombie state.

    A wild ride awaits 2025 because the NHi may take advantage of Trump's willingness to upset the deep state's cover ups.. Trump could easily become a disclosure president when confronted with more NHi activity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,676 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "I find it hard to decide whether Luiz Elizondo is a controller agent or someone who truly wants to inform the public of what is going on"

    Or perhaps Luis Elizondo is neither. He gets money for his book. He gets fame and attention for being on the UFO circuit.

    Countless people will sell their soul for a tiny chance to be vaguely known or famous or even make a bit of money from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    There has been a lot said in the past, now it's just a matter of being prepared for what's to come.

    In my opinion, what's happening is a split occurred in the legacy UFO controller program, and some of these people decided they didn't want to be a part of it anymore.

    There is a battle within the legacy ufo control group, as elizondo still holds classified clearances. There are quite a few people in the defence department who want the secret to remain secret, and others who want to share more without harming the national security of the nation.

    Why did the decision to break away from it suddenly take place. My view is that the NHi are indicating that the end of secrecy is near and that it will be changed soon. If things haven't changed, you don't need to reveal your tech to enemies abroad.

    A struggle is raging internally about how to reveal the technology without destroying the established network which has been built around this since Roswell. . The Elizonda faction probably tries to stage-manage this disclosure so it doesn't damage the country.

    One time, Elizonda was a member of the controller group. It is unclear who is pulling the strings and who is Mr. Big. There is no basis for believing that all ufo legacy group members are bad. Clearly brought in different perspectives to look at strange things. Elizonda went in a different direction deliberately later.

    If you don't lose security clearances to secrets, it's a sign you're protected inside an established network. Fame and money might seem to be the cause for you, but something more powerful is happening.

    I believe the Nhi is forcing a faction controlling the legacy program to come out. Think trying to not cripple the entire trust in defense and intelligence by revealing non human tech outside of legacy controls. It is unlikely that we will get full access to the ufo legacy program, but I think that a private ufo group could reveal the technology in a different way. This is a good way to avoid being burdened by the past cover up crimes.

    Will the world care if same technology captured at Roswell is shown tomorrow by someone else? That's what I think. This is the end goal. The preparations since 2017 are leading to this.

    That information will never be easily obtained from gatekeepers who don't like the NHi group coming here to break the secrecy cover. The split group probably found a way around that, and they'll be handed technology from another group of NHi. In the same way that Chinese and Americans do not get along, the NHi do not get along either

    It looks like 2025 is going to be the year. All the signs point to it. No more talk about nonhumans visiting earth. It will be shown very soon either by the split controller group or by the NHI working on removing all secrecy.

    In either case, my words on a forum do not constitute evidence for most people. The coming year, people will be able to witness this for themselves. It will not be ambiguous, but it will be there for all to see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,656 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    See you in December/next January for "2026 is going to be the year".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭These Are Facts


    An FBI investigation into thousands of reported drone sightings around New Jersey late last year has uncovered no suspects, and failed to recovered any drones (well, none that they want you to know about anyway).

    Meanwhile, more mysterious drone sightings have again been reported in Northeast, in a strange surge, just after the FAA - Federal Aviation Administration, lifted temporary flight restrictions on the 25th Jan.

    The leader of the free world is pretty busy with other stuff, including fending off those nasty cartel delivery drones* along the Souther Border, but has assigned chief of staff — Susie, to investigate the East Coast incidents.

    Meanwhile Governor Landry (Louisiana) said: “[Last week] we had drones being flown over our nuclear reactors in Louisiana.”

    *One of the scores of Executive Orders Trump signed – declaring a national emergency at the border with Mexico – called for the Secretary of Transportation and the Federal Communications Commission to “consider waiving all applicable Federal Aviation Administration and Federal Communications Commission regulations or policies, respectively, that restrict the Department of Homeland Security’s ability to counter unmanned aerial systems within 5 miles of the southern border.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭These Are Facts


    Trump's new (and most excellent) Press Sec (Karoline Leavitt), opened her 1st press briefing today (a very enjoyable watch), with a prompt, but somewhat weak explanation of all the drone (but not UAP) activity, as was promised.

    Explanation: "These are FAA Research Drones"

    So to summarise:
    Biden admin: There are no drones, you idiots.
    Trump admin: They are FAA research drones
    FBI, DHS, FAA and DOD: We don't know what they are
    Governor Landry (Louisiana): Please stop flying these things over our nuclear reactors in Louisiana.
    Germany: Increased reports of 'uncooperative' drones, over critical infrastructure and military properties have resulted in law changes, to make it easier to take them down with force.
    UK: Security elevated at important sites due to UAP/Drone activity.

    Maybe it really is Chinese anti-gravity drones, or NHI UAPs - Thus, it's best to keep this away from the public realm, and to vaguely call it 'R&D', and hope for the best from there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    FAA research, or authorized by the FAA for research?

    And yet, videos of planes are shown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,676 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    There is a lot of stuff above us, likewise at night. Aircraft of all types, helicopters, satellites, private and commercial drones, etc.

    When someone creates some hysteria on social media and it catches on, then everyone starts looking up and seeing these things, which creates a snowball effect.

    Good few examples of this throughout history. Social media has a strong amplifying effect.



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