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Do you believe that we in Ireland are now richer than those in the UK?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭yagan


    What we take for granted is still amazing to others. It took three years of living in desolate outback Australia to really appreciate how restorative and beautiful the greenery we have is.

    Plus another thing I took for granted in the past is actually how colourful our towns can be, even if they're a bit run down compared to the uniform red brick of industrial Britain. There's whole new apartment blocks all around Britain that had to use red brick so as to not upset the industrial heritage look!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭crusd


    I have an uncle, now passed, and cousins, in a mid sized town about an hour from London. I was there a few times in my teens and early 20's - mid to late 90's and early 2000's. What struck me on those visits was how ahead and vibrant everything seemed compared to Ireland. Everything was brighter, cleaner. Restaurants and bars were well done up (Pubs were and are **** compared to Irish pubs, but at least they looked the part).

    I wasn't back there again until 2022 for my uncles funeral and what struck me was how grim it now looks. Everything is jaded. Discount stores everywhere. The streets were grim, the houses were grim and it just had a vibe of decay. I though maybe it was the vibe of a funeral that changed my outlook but was back and visited cousins again last year when we went to Legoland and Harry Potter world. The destination events like those are great, and also the historical sites. But it is a veneer. But the towns, the hotels and everything still has that feeling of decay



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,965 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    David McWilliams shouldn't be throwing stones in glasshouses.

    If it wasn't for our corporation tax racket, Ireland wouldn't be in any better of a position than the UK. Ireland collected €28bn in corporation tax last year while the UK collected €111bn. They collected about 4x more than us, but they have a population that is 13x larger.

    If the rest of the world were to ever force a halt to the racket we've got going on, it'd be Ireland that was in need of IMF assistance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭yagan


    The UK had an IMF bailout in 1976.

    Anyhow the new CTR deal is actually converging countries towards a common rate of 15%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 468 ✭✭Randycove


    colourful and fragrant. That’s certainly the phrases that spring to mind when I’m stepping over sleeping bags and trying not to choke on the smell of piss and vomit when I walk to the office from Connolly station.

    Our countryside is beautiful, I love my spin around the Dublin and Wicklow mountains, it is stunning, but get out of the towns and cities in England and they have some equally stunning countryside and venture into wales and Scotland and you really get into the “breathtaking” area.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭yagan


    Scotland is incredible, but it's hard to ignore the urban decay when you're arrive in English towns and cities that feel like Connelly station! Wales has really rough spots too, proper in your face poverty.

    I think the whole north inner city Dublin feels like a depressed English city.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭thereiver


    The UK economy is in decline Brexit was a mistake it makes it expensive and complicated for companys to trade with eu country's . Local council are having to cut back on basic services because they are short of money The labour governments policy is to talk about growth by lossening up regulations on planning and building and announcing a new runway .it takes 10 years to build a runway which is financed partly by extra tax's on airlines . The eu is in decline it's trying to compete with China who can make cheap electric cars .china has announced a new free deepseek ai app which is free . Brexit has damaged the UK economy while not stopping 1000s of illegal migrants from arriving on boats . Ireland is booming because we have an open economy in the eu with close ties to American tech company's .

    London is doing ok because theres a lot of rich people living there and it has the financial industry . The problem with raising tax's is it encourages rich people to leave the UK



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭yagan


    The rich in the UK never did pay taxes. The problem is regardless of what the rate is the UK has loads of loopholes for those who want to offshore their income.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Yes theres loads of loopholes to avoid paying tax,s but the rich spend money in cafes restaurants and they employ people who pay tax on their salarys



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,862 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    So does everyone else. Trickle-down effect is not real.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭yagan


    With taxes on pay, plus council rates many low paid workers pay more tax that the rich. I'm not talking as a precentage of income but in actual gross amount.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭thereiver


    i don,t think the ordinary person go,s to restaurants where a meal is 500 euro or a hotel where a room is 300 euro.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,862 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Rich people don't do that enough for it to have any impact. And the tax take on those is tiny, and about to fall again.

    Someone on 1m does not spend 20x as much on things like that than someone on 50k. Someone taking in 1bn does not spend 20,000x as much.

    Trickle-down economics is a massive lie.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,102 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Trickle-down has been debunked time and time again.

    Post edited by ancapailldorcha on

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,439 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    Your point on education is on point.

    We need to ensure it is a priority for all.

    The US and the UK have dumbed down education for decades.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 468 ✭✭Randycove


    I’m not sure we are in any position to point fingers there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭yagan


    One of the reasons the UK has resisted Schengen is the EU having eyes on the movements of non domicile evasion.

    We're in Schengen Information System so it's not as easy. Mazers does help with cayman island accounts, but the level of facilitation that UK allows is piracy, old swashbuckling Britain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 468 ✭✭Randycove


    what has Schengen got to do with non dom status? Ireland has proportionately more non doms than the uk and the regime is far more generous. Ireland is the biggest tax haven in Europe, if not the world.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,102 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,704 ✭✭✭yagan


    I bet you won't be able to link one credible source for your assertions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 468 ✭✭Randycove


    https://ormsby-rhodes.ie/ireland-a-destination-for-non-doms/

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/13/uk-non-doms-uk-labour-tax-plans

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/personal-finance/tax-revenue-to-fall-as-non-dom-count-reaches-7-000-1.3775001

    7000 non doms in Ireland in 2019 and no doubt increasing, 60 odd thousand in the UK and dropping. Proportionately that means more non doms here.
    Care to explain what you were waffling on about Schengen for?

    Or maybe explain why the Irish government actually went to court to try and help apple avoid paying taxes? Ever heard of leprechaun economics?
    Ireland is a fundamental part of the process that knowingly allows Multi national companies avoid paying taxes. Never wondered why one of our largest companies has only a handful of employees and is regulated at a law firm in Dublin?
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/03/microsoft-irish-subsidiary-paid-zero-corporate-tax-on-220bn-profit-last-year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,707 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Is Ireland richer than the UK? Yes and it started in the 90's.

    If you don't believe it and are at the bottom of the rung understand that your standard of living is still 60% higher on average than those in similar circumstances in the UK.

    It started in the 90's as the economy opened up.

    We have FDI to thank for this wealth but that's under threat now.

    If you don't believe it go live in the UK on £71 per week and let us know how you get on.

    Post edited by Kermit.de.frog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Britain is in an economic crisis so they they are raisimg tax's and reducing regulations to attract investment This is unlikely to work as they are outside the eu and the election of trump is going to make things worse in terms of trade with the UK meanwhile illegal migrants arrive every day I'm the UK. Rich people will continue to leave the UK talking about building a new runway at Heathrow does not help much



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭creeper1


    Yeah. I watched an interview with Michael O'Leary critique the British government using the term Rachel rubbish. That's a fitting name.

    The UK is a hellscape. There's absolute grinding poverty. The only jobs available are low pay and there's a lot of gig economy exploitative practices going on.

    High crime pervades the place. Even in London which is supposedly desirable has very high crime rates with knife crime and all sorts.

    It's just a horrible, horrible place without a single redeeming feature.



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