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URC and English Premiership Merger Rumours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭PMC83


    I'd say the emerging Ireland tours are well down the list of reasons why the supposed merger wont work. The mix of privately and union owned clubs with and without salary caps is a much bigger issue. IRFU won't want salary caps, they don't want talent having to leave if they are potentially in the Ireland frame which is our biggest cash cow.

    In reality I'd see a merger as see it as a good thing for the likes of emerging Ireland tours. Some of the players on that tour should be playing this weekend, Ideally you'd prefer to see the team made up of players who 100% will not be seeing club action.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,331 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Well, the EI tour is a result of union owned clubs. Definitely silly to be seeing players who should be in croke park this weekend, smashing 7 shades out of each other in an interpro, down playing some SA club in a friendly. The experience of the EI tour is minimal by comparison I'd say

    If the Irish clubs had salary caps you would see more of the big name players move from Leinster to Munster, Connacht and Ulster but the flip side of that is you get players loyalties to a province diluted so I'm not sure if the benefit outweighs the drawback



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭PMC83


    Yeah if they stayed in Ireland it may not be so bad but my worry would be be players heading to France and so on for bigger bucks. In general I think a Salary cap hurts Ireland more then the likes of England. We just have less teams to spread the talent around and inevitably players will slip through the net.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,417 ✭✭✭OldRio


    'Merger'? It's a bale out for the EPL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭PMC83


    Yeah it looks that way a little bit for sure, buy while the actual product on tv has been a lot better we do seem to see a lot of empty stadiums still. The last round had some pretty poor attendance figures. I'm no fan of the merger idea but you'd love to see more stadiums pumping



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,046 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Leinster Vs Munster is about to beat 2 weeks worth of attendances 😱



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭PMC83


    Yeah crazy stuff. I can't remember which podcast I was listening to this week that described it as more of an outing for many now, which is very true. Unfortunately not all the matches catch the general public's imagination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭Ciaran


    I don't see that adding English teams would improve those attendances, outside of Wales maybe.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 35,922 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Those would be disastrous figures for the ProD2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭PMC83


    I tend to agree tbh, but a certain section of the Welsh seem to think it would reignite old revelries and yadda yadda. Who knows..



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,727 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    They get similar attendances when they play English teams in Europe. Some Welsh fans are just delusional.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,699 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    They have this rose tinted vision of a handful of games from the eighties when the likes of Llanelli or Neath would play Bath or Leicester in front of 25,000 in a friendly and they think that they could somehow magically have that every week if only they had an Anglo-Welsh league.

    Like you say - Delusional..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    The URC is in a really good place now with the South Africans on board. I can see it growing a lot over the next few years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,331 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's extremely true, myself, the wife and the youngster go to the away Leinster game every season now. We are far from the only ones

    Glasgow V Edinburgh has been moved now to Hampden park and the return Fixture to Murrayfield so they're obviously hoping to replicate the success



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Not strictly merger related but reports that PRL are looking to establish “designated away seating areas” to improve atmosphere. They’re at pains to say that this isn’t football style segregation, there won’t be a wall of police separating the fans and away fans will still be welcome to sit in other areas if they really want to, but they’d much rather they sat in the away section, thank you very much. In the context of this thread, it’s kind of more of a symptom of the dire straits PRL is in at this stage. Paywalled.

    https://www.thetimes.com/sport/rugby-union/article/gallagher-premiership-wants-designated-away-ends-to-boost-rugby-atmospheres-t30fbb9d5



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Can't really understand the logic behind this. How do they think it will improve atmospheres?

    One of the very best things about going to rugby matches is the craic between opposing fans, and tbf, the English fans are excellent. Their club fans tend to be knowledgeable, good craic and easy going people (in my experience) - can't see the logic in separating that out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,935 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    I don't know, the likes of Leicester, Exeter, Northampton, Harlequins, Bath and Saracens would make for some very attractive matches. Those games would be a lot more appealing to fans here than games against the Welsh or Italian sides.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,935 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    That goes against the very ethos of rugby. It's a terrible terrible idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,637 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I remember trying to buy 6 tickets together for an away Saracens game and couldn't, this would help in that situation as Saracens wanted to mute the Munster fans but overall it's a terrible idea. I've been to a lot of the English clubs either supporting Munster or at premiership games and you're always made welcome, they're the best fans for making you feel welcome to their ground.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,046 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    They are obviously trying to create colourful "ultra" style sections with flags and tifos. Sounds more like it will make the atmosphere look good for TV rather than actually good for the fans in the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    From my experience going to games in the UK - the average age of UK match day supporters is 50+ - it doesn't matter how they segment them, I don't think you're ever going to create an "ultras" style atmosphere. They just aren't those people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,331 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    They did this for the Munster V Racing 92 game in the south of France a few years ago. It was more of a suggestion than a rule but it did help to amplify the noise we made

    Saracens a few years ago as well, their stadium was under construction and they put all the Munster fans into a temporary structure on the very corner of the dead ball zone, we were noisy then as well

    I accept that on both those occasions the team played very badly, but still I think it helped overall with the atmosphere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭Ciaran


    Leinster fans were all in one stand behind the goal in the Stoop in 2009 and it made for a cracking atmosphere as well. Strict segregation would be terrible but giving a block of seats to the away club to sell seems like it would be worth a go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,331 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Here's a picture of Leinster and Munster fans segregated, I think this speaks a thousand words



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,727 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster




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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,699 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Indeed - That's clever Ticket sales along with the judicious placement of free flags…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,331 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Separation is probably a better word for it in fairness but it ties in with what we are saying that keeping groups of fans together, without necessarily forcing them to be separated can work well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Leinster seem to have opened a wide gap on their provincial rivals. The challenge for Munster, Ulster and Connacht is to close that gap. Leinster v Munster selling out Croke Park shows the financial benefit in 4 competitive provinces at the highest level possible.

    4 competitive provinces selling out big capacity stadia will strengthen Irish provinces in negotiations for any tournament changes. The IRFU need to be strategically assisting there where possible. The provinces themselves have to have their structures right, even if difficult decisions have to be made.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    You know "closing the gap" is virtually impossible right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,507 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    Seems to be but I want to focus on raising standards rather than weakening a professional outfit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,471 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Raising standards - whatever that actually means in terms of the provinces wont achieve much. You have 4 provinces that all have to play by the same rules while 1 has massive advantages in terms of population and funding at schools/grass roots level. Not to take anything away from Leinster, they played the hand they had. But lets not kid ourselves - none of the other provinces will be going any where within the current system. I wont pretend to have the answers but something has to change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,331 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Something definitely needs to change in order to close the gap between Leinster and the other 3 provinces. One area the IRFU could look at is the subsidies they give to each province.

    I think there's 14 players on Central Contracts at Leinster wth 1 or maybe 2 at each of the other provinces? Spreading these around a bit more evenly would be a good start.

    Giving players at the other provinces a fair shot at the national team would be a useful way also to give them exposure and likewise bring their quality of play up. You can see how much better Sam Prendergast has become since he was parachuted into the squad in November



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭Mal-Adjusted


    Isn't that what the emerging Ireland squad was for? Leinster have vast resources compared to most northern hemisphere clubs, let alone the other Irish sides. I don't like it, but you can't just give lads international caps for the sake of it. Anyway, to get back on topic, I don't see how merging with the Premiership will narrow the gap between the provinces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,331 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Is the Emerging Ireland tour narrowing the gap? I can't say I'd noticed

    The idea is not simply "to give lads international caps for the sake of it" it's to give professional players the opportunity to play at a higher level than that of the club game such that they will go back to the club game and play better as a result. If you look at the experience that Sam Prendergast received during the Autumn Internationals and just look at how much of a better all-round player he is as a result of it. If we want to make the other 3 provinces competitive that's what needs to happen

    Merging the Premiership and URC will paint over the cracks for a bit but that's the extent of it



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