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Aircoach Route Changes and General Discussion.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Sure they never even bothered removing the 702 stop poles on Mount Merrion Avenue after it was re-routed either (as of last week, they are still there!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 HPoltergeist


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The new Aircoach timetables have been published

    I've had a quick (but not exhaustive) look and this is some of the things I've noticed.

    It seems that there will certainly be a number of drivers freed up by the changes of the 701 to the 700X bearing in mind it's limited operating hours compared to what it replaces.

    I haven't had a look at running times in much depth or fares.

    Route 700

    • The service is mostly every half an hour all day but after 7pm from the airport the timetable gets a bit weird with timetables with inconsistent gaps in service of 30-40 minutes for rest of the evening.
    • Pretty much reverts to the stops served before extension to Cherrywood.
    • After midnight the service drops to every 60 minutes from Dublin Airport (previously every 30 minutes)

    Route 700X (replaces 701)

    • As suspected, isn't any faster than the 700 from the same stops.
    • This route will run every 30 minutes (with some gaps of 35 minutes)
    • The stops will be Westmoreland Street, O'Connell Street and Drumcondra only
    • The first service will be 06:42 from Westmoreland Street with the last service at 17:30
    • The first service will 06:35 from Dublin Airport with the next at 08:05am
    • After the 19:05 services, the frequency drops to 40 minutes with the last service at 20:25

    The 700x has had it's operating hours gutted compared to the 701 which now means areas that used to be served every 15 minutes by the 700/701 combination and the 700 pre last June, will now see frequency cut by 50% to every 30 minutes for those departing early and arriving late due to the restricted hours of the 700X. If punters have a viable choice between waiting 30 minutes for Aircoach or every 15 minutes for Dublin Express, they're going to chose the later.

    Route 702 (Dublin Airport to Dalkey via Ballsbridge)

    • All the 701 stops from the Ballsbridge area have been added into this route.
    • The first service from Dalkey is now 02.00 (previously 00:49)
    • The last service from Dublin Airport is now 23:30 (the 23:50 and 00:50 and 01:50 are gone)
    • There is a frequency drop in the morning, after the 08:30 service, the next two are 09:45 and 11:15
    • Running time via Ballsbridge from Dalkey to Dublin Airport between 60 to 73 minutes most of the time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Are they still planning on bringing in double deckers? I see the Enviro 400MMCs that were listed on bustimes are gone now.

    I see most of the early 2014 Panthers are now withdrawn.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Unlikely to be anytime soon it seems.

    Both the fleets that have been linked with doing that work are still in service with their existing operators. The one decker that it was (seemingly incorrectly) reported as being under repaint to come to Aircoach has been spotted in the UK in the new First Bus livery at it's existing depot.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    So perhaps this is not happening now after all. Possibly the first sensible move in a long time for Aircoach.

    As I was saying the some of the original Panthers are getting withdrawn now I believe sent over to the UK for scrap along with the old Carpark buses. So this will reduce the size of the fleet I guess the scrapping of the Greystones leg of the 702 should reduce the urgency of replacements.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    C1 to C5 have already been withdrawn and the Citaros have all been too.

    I would imagine that once the service changes take place in a couple of weeks, you will be likely to see at the very least C6 to C10 withdrawn pretty much straight away. On paper at least, the changes look like they will certainly reduce the peak vehicle requirement by a number of coaches.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 421 ✭✭Rock Steady Edy


    Whilst it is welcome for those of us on the remaining 702 route that the service remains hourly for most of the day, having the last service from the airport at 11.30pm is a mistake. That means, allowing for an hour's flight delay and 20 mins to get through the airport, I can't rely on Aircoach to get me home if my flight is scheduled to land after about 10pm. Therefore I won't book a return Aircoach and numbers will reduce on those 10.30pm and 11.30pm journeys.

    The later journeys may have few passengers, but they offer reassurance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭ellejay


    2 years ago I got the air coach from Greystones and the driver told us we were lucky to get on, that most of the seats were booked. Sure enough the bus was about a third full by GS village and full by the time it left bray. Maybe about 4 seats empty.

    The driver told us it was an extremely busy route, didn't matter what time of the day.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    And again that is where the lack of commercial nous in the business comes to the fore. You know the above, I know it, but Aircoach management simply don't see it.

    Somebody who doesn't understand customer mindset and commercial strategy will look at post 11:30pm services as as a 00:30 and say that they don't get enough passengers to really justify it so they're not going to run it anymore. But that really is looking at it too simplistically and too much in isolation.

    The mere presence of a later service as you say, builds confidence that if your flight is delayed, there still will be a service for you which creates an incentive to buy a return ticket and that revenue then Aircoach lock that revenue in. What is going to happen now is that people on late arrivals will have doubts about booking return tickets because they may not be able to use them and by the fact of them not being locked in, means patrons will now hesitate to book return tickets and may even look for other options for their journey to the airport, as a single per leg price is not as good value as a per leg price on a return.

    I've had a look at the Dublin Express and Aircoach timetables pre 8am to the airport and post 8pm from the airport as well on the 700 (as the 700x doesn't operate then) and honestly it feels almost like Aircoach have already conceded they've lost on city centre market for those times, their frequency at just every 30 minutes with the DX considerably higher. This from an operator that spent the best part of two decades running every 15 minutes sustainably shows how comprehensively they have been outmanoeuvred and continue to be by a far more commercially savvy Dublin Express.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Wexford Bus are in talks with the NTA on potentially adding pick-up stops in North Wicklow as a result of the Aircoach changes

    Not sure how it'd work, but I wouldn't be surprised if a temporary arrangement where the 740/A diverts off the N11 to serve the Charlesland stop in Greystones would be the option put forward. Doesn't serve all of Greystones of course, but it would allow residents there still have some form of a connection , and it shouldn't add too much running time onto their existing routes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,692 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I can't see them diverting into Charlesland - that would annoying the existing customers, which is exactly what Aircoach did.

    I'd imagine that they would be simply trying to convert the Kilmacanogue and Cherrywood stops to pick-up northbound and set down southbound for journeys to and from the Airport only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    Yes, that would be a good compromise also. Would they be able to do a "pick-up for airport passengers only" arrangement for those stops, I wonder?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,692 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Well, you'd police that by charging fares that are acceptable for an airport transfer, but would be prohibitive for anyone boarding at other stops in the city centre, plus given that the driver has to interact with every passenger, they would surely be saying no to people trying a short trip.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,564 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    they could set the website so if you choose Kilmac as your origin, you can only choose Airport as your destination. A stop at Kilpedder N11 would be useful too, it's a lot handier to get to from Greystones (both by car and by bus using the L1). Longer term it could serve the proposed P&R.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    You say that the 'last service' of the day is at 23:30 which is technically true but the first service of the next day is just 50 minutes later, at 00:20. Then every hour to 04:20.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    It isn't, the last service on the new 702 timetable from 2nd March from Dublin Airport is 23:30 and then there is not a service until 02:50 the next day.

    https://www.aircoach.ie/timetables/702/pdf?date=2025-03-02&day=



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Sorry, my mistake. When I heard they were no longer serving Greystones, I assumed the 702 was being scrapped altogether.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The original 702 as it was pre last July has essentially been scrapped. They're bringing back the former 703 and calling it the 702.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Yeah only difference it's not going up to Killiney Castle



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭belfast stephen


    Anyone heard any info about the new i6 coaches i had heard that the belfast ones would be in service in early February and now at the end of the month and nothing



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Might be holding them back for 25 plates if they're going to be on GB plates. They only start today.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    None of C6-C10 have been out this morning.

    They won't really need them with the much reduced PVR from today, but still been cancellations this morning on the Belfast route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭belfast stephen


    the belfast ones are to be on Northern Ireland plates i believe



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Despite the fact that the needed driver numbers are significantly lower today there has been cancellations on the 702.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,582 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Wouldn't surprise if they gave up on the 702 or whatever is left of it in another 6 months to year at this rate.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    8am ex Dalkey was cancelled at 5am this morning, friend of a colleague got a text. You'd have thought reliability should have improved.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,822 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Just a little update.

    The Aircoach holding company, 'LAST PASSIVE LIMITED' has now been renamed to 'FIRST BUS IRELAND LIMITED' and in addition the company has now started using hybrid First Bus / Aircoach branded materials on communications.

    It is not yet known if this will point to a rebrand in the future or if the Aircoach name is on borrowed time, but it certainly suggests that the First Brand is going to be brought more to the fore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,747 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    The Aircoach holding company, 'LAST PASSIVE LIMITED' has now been renamed to 'FIRST BUS IRELAND LIMITED'

    So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

    Matthew 20:16



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭mickmmc


    The Tourismos are back on the Cork-Dublin route again from my last 3 trips.

    Aircoach have taken the curtains off some of 191 Volvos. Strange.

    The Tourismos were purchased without curtains. I like curtains on Coaches. Someone in Aircoach must not like curtains.

    Flixbus have 2024 Yutong Coaches on the Victoria London - Glasgow route. They are packing them in with really poor legroom per a recent Youtube Traveller video. That is a 6 hour journey.

    Maybe it is a UK approach, same as Aircoach - pack them in.



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