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Liverpool FC Team Talk, Gossip, Rumours 2024/25

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  • Administrators Posts: 54,900 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I suspect that Chiesa does train with the senior squad as normal, but the guys involved in matches do more recovery and low-intensity sessions that presumably Chiesa doesn't do.

    Like the team who played on a Sunday might spend Monday afternoon getting massages etc while Chiesa is out on the training field doing ball work or in the gym.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Whatever works. All manager have different ways of doing things.

    If they deliver silverware I don't actually care how the deals with the players day to day. These are guys making big money so they'll be fine.

    Regarding Chiesa. He was a risk I guess, a small one considering the transfer money paid. He has been disappointing bar a few moments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,535 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Partially by dint of chance, Salah hasn't had a singular European season over the years:

    18 - great run but injured early in the final

    19 - missed the most famous Liverpool game in European history, wore a great t-shirt, though

    20 - missed a few chances against Athletico

    21 - scored in the first leg against Real, missed a few chances in the second

    22 - great run, but Courtois MOTM in the final, chances to make history presented themselves to Salah throughout…

    23 - ineffectual against Atalanta as part of an abysmal run of form

    24 - ineffectual against PSG across two legs

    It is what it is. Salah isn't the best player in the world right now, and I don't think he should win the Ballon D'OR.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,282 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Yeah that sounds like a nonsensical answer. As you say, it's putting yourself in a stupid position completely unnecessarily. Sure, you want your lads who haven't played to do a heavier training workload, but they could still have the session with the 'starters', and then have extra sessions themselves. Even if it's not quite as physically effective it would be far more tactically effective. Whatever about his merits, I think it's very hard to argue that he would've offered less off the bench than a clearly physically struggling Gakpo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭Robert2014


    If Trent or Ibou didn't get injured, we may have seen Chiesa as a penalty option. I think he would have offered more than an injured Gakpo.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,282 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    It sort of sounds like he himself is saying that it doesn't work though… like, if you're putting yourself in a situation where parts of your squad that could be very useful are having their potentially valuable impacts limited by your own methods, then that's not really 'working'.

    Maybe he just feels its an acceptable loss, that the extra bit of time the first teamers get working together outweighs the benefits of deeper squad members being able to fit right in when called upon. But in practice I think we can probably all agree that an unfit Gakpo who knows the system wasn't much use, and made the team worse rather than affecting positive change.

    Anyway, with the CL gone now, maybe the extra bit of time will let some of these lads get a bit more involved and put in a position where they can contribute.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,815 ✭✭✭54and56


    Why would he be stupid enough, at any age, to sign a sufficiently long term deal where it would take a mega transfer fee to get him out of that contract? If he did that he'd be seriously diminishing his own future earnings as the buying club will assess his worth as a total cost of ownership i.e. initial transfer fee + wages over the duration of his new contract so if, for example, Madrisd think he's worth €150m over 5 years and have to pay €100m to get him out of his LFC contract that only leaves TAA with €50 in wages over the period of his contract with them whereasd if he only has a year left on his contract at the time they want to bring him in LFC won't be able to squeeze much more than a €30m transfer fee for him (leaving €120m in wages for TAA) or, even better for TAA, if he is running down his contract with LFC, as is his right and what he is actually doing, then the entire €150m is available to him in wages. It makes no difference to Madrid but makes a huge difference to TAA (or any other player in a similar position) hence the reluctance to sign big long term deals as the benefit accrues to the club you are leaving and not to you personally?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    Kane was stupid enough. He signed a 6 year deal in 2018 at 24. They wouldn't it him go to city in 2021. He would have won plenty of trophies.

    If I was Trent I'd want all the cards. High salary on a 3 year deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,815 ✭✭✭54and56


    100%. You'll always get players who are poorly advised by agents to take a long term deal when it's not in their interest and conversely you'll get clubs agreeing to long term deals for players who will be well past their best when the deal comes to an end (Casimero?) so it's swings and roundabouts but as a young up and coming player the last thing you want to do, unless you're concerned about injury or a drop in ability etc, is sign a long term deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭IrishOwl...


    This contract merry go round that's going on a Liverpool currently is going to become the norm at most clubs. Unless you're a financially doped club, no top quality player are going to be signing long term deals. It will be 3 year deals with options and the likes, the free market is just worth too much to them these days.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,746 ✭✭✭brevity


    I heard on some podcast today that Bayern are having similar contract battles with Kimmich and Davies but they expect them to sign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,815 ✭✭✭54and56


    100% That's fair to the contracted player (they aren't indentured slaves) but it's also an opportunity for clubs who correctly play the game to recruit players from other clubs without having to them savage transfer fees.

    Transfer fees are an antiquated concept. I get that compensating smaller clubs who have spent years developing a young player is completely justified (otherwise why should they do it) but apart from that why should an employer be able to prevent an employee moving to work for a competing employer in the same market (league) unless the new employer pays the old employer a major transfer fee?

    In what other walk of life so such arrangements exist? Can you imagine a plumbing business who have a star plumber as an employee being able to prevent that employee going to work for a competitor unless the competitor agrees to pay the exisiting employer a huge transfer fee? 🤔



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭Sami23


    How can you say Chiesa been disappointing when we've hardly seen him all season.

    I think any time he did play he did ok



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,388 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Darwin Núñez would be a perfect fit at Atletico you'd think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    Would love him. He also has a mate in McAllister



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,068 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    So says you..... I'm telling you though, doing it in the league and not in the later, knockout stages of the Champions League means he's not going to win it. That's where it's at, not the week to week grind that people like us exposed to constant EPL coverage don't see.

    These awards are won in big knockout games in big tournaments like champions league and world cups etc. For instance, who is the better goalie, Alison or Martinez?? It's Alison all day long, but who wins the Yashin award - Martinez! Why - because he catches the eye on finals and big knockout games, that's why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,746 ✭✭✭brevity


    is the world ready for Nunez managed by Simeone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,282 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Had been thinking the same for a while, in 'football manager' terms… just looks like one of those rare deals that could suit everyone. Nunez plus 50 odd million or something for Alvarez. Alvarez would be absolutely perfect for us, and Nunez just seems like an Atleti shithouser through and through - could be another Costa for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,068 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Alvarez won't come back to England. You can be sure there is some backdoor deal done off the books as part of his last transfer that he won't play against City or play in the EPL (Maybe when city get relegated he might come back 🤔😁)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Will it be Allison or Kelleher in goals tomorrow?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭Sami23




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,282 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    It’s an interesting one, I’m not sure. Kelleher’s started 3 of the 5 in the tournament so far, including the 4-0 win over Spurs in the semi (Jaron started 1, Alisson started 1). If Klopp was still there, it’d be Kelleher, no question. Don’t know what Slot will do though…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    They would not have wanted to have seen him play for Liverpool.

    It might be 90% down to lack of confidence, but Nunez by practically all metrics is a very poor player of late… pretty much his entire time with Liverpool.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭BRYAN Is Ainm Dom


    Not that interesting really. Will 100% be Ali. Only way Kelleher is starting is if Ali is injured



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭antimatterx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,270 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Not sure either, but my guess would be Ali. And, if he does, I think it's a given that Kelleher leaves in the summer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,680 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,282 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I’ve a feeling it’ll actually go the other way, with Kelleher given the nod.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,342 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Not sure how we beat Newcastle. It feels like tomorrow is their day , and they've waited a long time for it.

    No right back, everyone looking tired, playing badly now for a few games in a row. Gakpo came on against PSG and walked slowly around, how that was allowed to be I'll never know, clearly he wasn't fit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    We are 23 points ahead of Newcastle (they have a game in hand). They are without Anthony Gordon (suspended), Lewis Hall, Sven Botman and Jamall Lascelles (doubtful).

    If you don't know 'how we beat' an Eddie Howe managed Newcastle - especially with those absentees - then you'd want to shake that head.

    Can Newcastle win? Yes.

    But we are 4/6 for a reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,526 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Bringing Gakpo on in the PSG game was a madness. He got injured in the game against Everton which was on February 12th, after which he hadn't properly trained with the team and received pain killing injections in order to make the bench for his cameo appearances against Man City and Newcastle.

    Mac Allister only played 90 minutes against PSG on Tuesday, Szoboszlai and Diaz played the first half of extra time. They should be well recovered by now so there should be no excuses for a below par performance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭BRYAN Is Ainm Dom


    Would be Very surprised if Kelleher. Slot doesn't do sentiment the way Klopp would have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Exactly- Kelleher is leaving in a few weeks. Thank you and good luck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭decies


    good god cheer up man . Are you miserable at home ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭decies


    no excuses not to get it done

    tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,332 ✭✭✭antimatterx


    Guehi linked. Honestly him, Kerkez, Alvarez and Gordon would be some signings.

    Probably looking at the guts of 275M though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,526 ✭✭✭Talisman


    We have been repeatedly linked with Guehi since the club made an offer for him in 2022. I think his contract runs until 2026 so Crystal Palace may see it as a final opportunity to cash in. I wouldn't read too much into any speculation, he developed through the Chelsea academy system and didn't get a real opportunity with the first team and has said in interviews that it has been an ambition of his to return to the club and establish himself there.

    The Alvarez speculation has come from his agent saying that there were talks with Richard Hughes last summer to talk about signing for Liverpool and that Mac Allister had also been sweet talking Alvarez before the move to Atletico happened.

    The speculation about transfers will ramp up now as there will be little else for the media to talk about regarding Liverpool once the league title is wrapped up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,244 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    I can't really understand why Atleti would buy Alverez for 100m only to sell him a year later tbh.

    So don't see that one, unless they want to make a big profit and I'm not sure if it works at that level of fee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 584 ✭✭✭Dan Steely


    Gordon is a very good footballer but wouldn't fancy him at Liverpool.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    That's the reason I'd like to see him at Liverpool ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭giveitholly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,342 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    No Gakpo, no Arnold, no Bradley, no Gomez , is Konate fit… will Jota every score again, must be 15 games ago his last one, Diaz has one goal in 19 games, Nunez did score of late, but again it's 3 in 25 games. Sobo , Ryan, and Mac are out of steam, all were out on their feet again PSG, should have left pitch sooner .

    Our season is over tomorrow, so hopefully they can pull it off, and come up with a performance and win.

    Newcastle are up for this though, full of beans, well rested, and well prepared.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,155 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Cup final day, let’s do it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,068 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    What's the back up at RB, could some of the kids start?

    I can't see Ibou playing 90, maybe plus 30,in a final and coming through unscathed. It would cause less disruption to start a kid at RB and split the CB time between Ibou and Quansah maybe? Depends who's available I suppose.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,317 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Konate will play the full 90 and then be pulled out of international call up to recover



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,244 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Quansah.

    Can't see any (other!) kids starting.

    Can't even see Endo or Elliott starting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,270 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    McConnell would be the backup at RB, wouldn't he? Played there against Plymouth. I presume he'll be on the bench but he'll only come on if something's gone wrong or it's going very right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,526 ✭✭✭Talisman


    Yes. I expect Quansah to start at right back but McConnell will be the player to replace him if required. He has also played the position before at under age level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,529 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    Endo will go to CB if Ibou has an issue during the game you'd think. Newcastle with issues of their own given Gordon and Hall are out. Should be a good game with two attacking teams anyway.



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