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Wheel of Time (Amazon)

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  • Subscribers Posts: 32,866 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Not far off! A bit less camp and 80's classic movieish though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,128 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I'm just a bit grumpy that some of the most spectacular and pivotal scenes have been replaced with meh alternatives.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Finally finished this up: the "curse" of these shows having feature length episodes at times and not enough free time anymore, lol. The finale moved like a freight train and in some cases - oh we got the horn back - a little TOO fast. Perrin's sudden .. shall we say rash decision making another. Still, if you'd have told me this would become a new favourite after the porridge of season 1, I'd laugh; possibly collapsing in laughter if you said I'd also be a big fan of Foundation too. I'm keen to see where these guys end up next, with a classic case of a tease where

    if you thought Ishmael was bad, here comes Bjork the spider lady?

    Something said in the finale that has bothered me: can non magic users see the weaves, or is it just that the audience are allowed see them? I need the book braintrust to weigh in for this Google averse boardsie.

    When Egwene put the ring on yer one's neck, claiming she twigged her captor could "see the weaves" being a clue that she could also channel. But if that's true then that means all the hand waving and wooshing must look like tai chi to everyone else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,128 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    In the books only women who can channel can see women's weaves. Likewise for the men.

    "Book brain trust" lol.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Ah, so to everyone else it's tai chi. Fair enough, thanks; that kinda adds a surreal humour to all those dramatic scenes of channelling. Everyone's standing around watching these women wave their hands about; "Is something meant to happen by now?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,128 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I think if an obvious wizard or witch is waving their hands or chanting, you kinda know it's probably not interpretative dance..



  • Subscribers Posts: 32,866 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    I don't think it was as dramatic with the gestures in the books either. As above women could see women's weaves, men could see men's ones, but men also had a separate way to tell when a woman was channeling (goosebumps or similar) that didn't work the other way around. Also, the way or reaching the source, controlling it and channelling was vastly different for both. I don't know if it is obvious that everyone can see the weaves in the show, it hasn't been said specifically, has it, although it does seem that at least any channeler can see any other.

    On a similar, but totally dissimilar note, there was another thing in the books that aes sedai had an 'ageless' look about them, which obviously would be difficult to pull off in the show without everyone being 25, and when a woman was stilled her appearance almost totally changed. She lost the ageless look and just became young again. This is important in the books for a couple of the plotlines, but I'm fairly sure they won't be using this in the tv show at all given how they (very badly imo, this was a real weak point) had Moraine think she had been stilled, which is why I mentioned it. There are various other bits around this that I won't go into either.

    If you )or anyone else) are into reading though, I would recommend that you do start the books. They are similar enough yet different enough to be worthwhile. The book scope is so much wider really (albeit with some reeeeeeaaaaalllllyyyyy dragged out parts in books 7-10 mostly) but it's worth it imo, and there will be plenty of time in the next 18-24 months before season 3 comes out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,128 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I guess in the TV show the difference between Moraine and her sister is how the agelessness is visualized. Also Liandrin and her son. Not that obvious perhaps .



  • Subscribers Posts: 32,866 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Difference between aging slower and being ageless. Hard to visualise it on TV though.

    On that topic, the events of Rand being born when Gitara Sedai had her vision was only 20 years before the events being shown and moraine and siuan were still only novices at the time. That's hard to square with moraine having a younger sister who is in her 70's or so.

    Moraine in the books didn't have a sister portrayed I believe (I could be mistaken though) so the TV use of it was purely to show the slowing of aging.

    Even in the books, the gap between the vision and siuan becoming amyrlin seemed unrealistic to me given the way it's portrayed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,148 ✭✭✭Glebee


    Stuck with it just for the sake of getting it watched. Did not think much of it to be far, last episode then felt rushed. I’ve read some of the book years ago but have no recollection of the story line even after watching S1 and S2 of the show.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Comic Book Guy


    S2 was definitely a step up on the first season but despite the big budget it still looks very cheap. The major disappointment for me is that almost every scene it's obvious a set rather than a real world setting.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I dunno. I'd agree but say that I think it looks expensive - but filmed cheap. The sets, costumes and locations have looked fantastic, but almost never shot with any panache. Bland "cinematography"; little in the way of dramatic lighting, blocking or use of the camera in such a way that might heighten the feel of the thing. It's all very point and shoot. And the end result being<, as you say, making it all look at little cheap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,009 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,616 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 57 ✭✭AvalonEnaid


    Amazon released a sneak peek at Season 3 and it's looking really good.

    *** Spoilers ***



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,115 ✭✭✭paulbok


    Looks like they are really going for it this season effects wise. Hopefully the writing can keep up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,009 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Back this Thursday. Time to watch a recap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,369 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Huge changes in the first 10 minutes of episode 1 compared to the books.

    And even more through the rest of the episode. Way different and not in a good way.

    A huge part of Mats story is gone as well but there's a hint to the cut part early in the episode between Rand and Perrin when the play a game.

    Post edited by TitianGerm on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,616 ✭✭✭✭OwaynOTT


    I don’t mind changes to the source material but it feels like none of the changes they have made are good ones.
    only got half way through the first episode and had to turn it off at the new pillow friends couple. Doesn’t look like they are going to be doing the rand and his harem in the tv show. Which to be honest is a good thing 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭CiaranW


    I have not read the books but watching this show makes me want to read them. They are on my list of books to read when I finish my current read.
    I really enjoy the show.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,148 ✭✭✭Glebee


    Read these books years ago and only have very vague memories of storylines and characters. Can anyone tell where S3 is in the book sequence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Just saw episode 4 again. It's very good.

    That is the wife of Nicolaj Costar Waldau, Jamie Lannister, as the main Wise One.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭CoffeeImpala


    There's been a fair bit of chopping and changing from the books. A lot of the storylines are similar to events in book 4 but in terms of (what I'll call) prophecy events we still have to see the end of book 3.

    In many ways this structure makes a lot more sense than the books.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,148 ✭✭✭Glebee


    Am I the only one who hasnt got a clue what's happening in the series???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,334 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Question I started to read the books I am on Lord of Chaos so 2 question

    1.Can I watch up to current episodes if I decide to watch it?

    2. Will it confuse me if I do watch it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭Charlo30


    You're not alone. I'm also a bit baffled but in a good way



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    I don't know why I'm still watching this show to be honest, but I thought season 3 episode 4 was very good. Not the most amazing episode of television ever, but the positives of that episode really highlights what is going wrong in the other episodes:

    1. Proper set up and payoff - we know in general terms what could happen in Rhuidean, but other things could happen as well, so we have context for when we see it play out, and it feels satisfying when it is resolved, as opposed to just being told something would happen then it happens. I predict the last episode of this series will be "I have to go to Tear and get the sword. I'm in Tear and there is the sword. Fight. I now have the sword" and then dramatic swell of music and drone zoom out.
    2. Important events take place on screen as opposed to just being told about it in boring clunky dialogue (although I do accept that this is very much in keeping with RJ's later books). The very first scene of episode 5 has characters telling us that there was a rift between the Aiel and the Shaido. But why would anyone actually want to see that play out on screen when it can be told to you in monotone?
    3. Magic is used sparingly and isn't an easy fix for everything.
    4. Prophecies are not literal and predictions of the future are not certain.
    5. Stakes - there is genuine peril in the sense that the main characters may fail or may die, unlike the other episodes where they keep getting mortally wounded and then are alive the next episode (sometimes with a magic explanation, sometimes not). You watch this episode and think that Rand might fail or go mad etc. It's a long time since there was any real feeling that Rand is at risk of madness. 2 episodes later Perrin gets stabbed in the guts and there is no one to heal him but you know he will survive.
    6. World building/history of the world - this is the first episode where the history of the world had any real meaning or context. It's the first time that, for me anyway, there has been any real sense of the breaking of the world or context for different groups of people etc.
    7. Clear film making - it isn't murky black visuals that you have to strain to see nor jumbled sound design where it's hard to hear what people are saying. I had to turn it off and sit in a quiet room for a bit when I realised that Tanchico was basically Harry Enfield's Scousers with veils.
    8. Good acting - for the first time, the actors seem to be playing the parts they are given rather than just woodenly reading the scripts.
    9. Focus and pacing -there is only one main thing happening this episode and they really give it time to breathe, allowing the viewer to take in and absorb the secondary details. We aren't suddenly cutting to characters who get right into a complex conversation before we get a chance to remember who they are and what they're up to etc.
    10. Plot progression - this episode draws on what has happened in previous episodes and hints at what will happen in future episodes, as opposed to being disjointed, seemingly random events.

    After watching this I thought it might be possible to watch the show in anything other than morbid curiosity as to how bad it would get. Sadly, the next two episodes went back to type. It's hard to even hate watch this show, because other than this one episode it's just bland, confusing and unengaging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,482 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    I heard S3E4 was decent. Rhuidean. I watched it, first I've watched since giving up after season one. Overall, not as bad as that mess of a season.

    Aviendha's actress is dire though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 ✭✭CiaranW


    It was a great season.
    Well worth the watch.

    I think I’m going to start the long journey of reading the books now!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    Yeah very wooden, think she's Irish actually.

    Season 3 overall has been a big jump in quality. Although I had a soft spot for the 1st couple anyway.



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