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Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭youtheman


    If he turn's up at school now then at least there is a direct link between his attendance, the cost (i.e. fine) associated with same and the direct link to his bank account where the monies can be collected (albeit he is getting around 750 per week by his own admission). Ching-ching!

    Also, the idea of him wandering around the school makes me think that this goes against the very principle of 'safeguarding'. Anyone adult involved with children knows you never let yourself be one-on-one with a child. How he think he can take this risk is beyond me!. Then again, I suppose it's just another irrational trait of him and his family. They literally think they are a law unto themselves!.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    He made a specific reference to the pupil?

    That's not good.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,516 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod: @aloyisious, please do not post any potentially identifying information about the student.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,281 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    The 750 a week he’s being paid would cover half the fine for just one breach of the court order. He could breach the court order 5 times in one week by trespassing on school grounds during teaching hours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,257 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    He may not be a physical threat, but imagine the mental torture he could be causing to any lgbtq child in that school.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,034 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    I presume he was Garda vetted when he was officially working in the school.

    Does Garda vetting have to be renewed on a regular basis or is it a once off? If it's the former then he must be breaking another law every time he turns up to "work".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,413 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Teachers are required to be vetted, and must be re-vetted every three years in order to maintain their professional registration. The vetting system for teachers is administered by the Teaching Council (which registers teachers) and the National Vetting Bureau; the particular school that employs a teacher is not involved in vetting them (but schools do have a responsibility to see that any non-teachers them employ are vetted).

    The vetting will disclose (a) any criminal record that you have, and (b) any additional information in the system which the Chief Bureau Officer believes should be disclosed. So, e.g., if you are facing trial for child sex offences but haven't yet been convicted, that kind of information is likely to be disclosed. But if you are facing trial for some offence that has no implications for child welfare or safety — not having a TV licence, say — that is unlikely to be disclosed.

    The vetting report is disclosed to the Teaching Council; they decide if what is in it makes you not a fit and proper person to be registered as a teacher. If they refuse or limit your registration you can, of course, appeal that to the courts.

    A quick check on the Teaching Council website tells me that Enoch Burke is currently registered. The publicly-available registration details don't say when his vetting was last renewed or when the next renewal is due.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,934 ✭✭✭Pentecost




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I don't think the hate crime legislation covers incidents or occurrences where the physical presence of an objector or protestor, by itself alone, is intimidatory due to the personally published reason behind the protestors presence: as in the protestor feeling it necessary to invasively enter and trespass inside any premises or building where people are likely to be affected negatively by the presence of the protestor itself. It's not a case where the protestor has been obliged by law to keep the protest 50 Metres, yards or feet away from the premises concerned.

    In the case of Enoch Burke, I doubt if he did not reflect on the effect of his actions on the schoolchildren at WHS and decide to carry on his protest activities inside the school buildings, not just at the school grounds entrance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭Westernview


    I watched that video and couldn't help but notice that their delivery style is very similar to that of an RTE reporter doing a court item on the 6 One news. They put on this pretend unbiased detached tone to try and make what they are saying seem credible. I think it must be their fantasy to be reporting on Enochs case on the mainstream news but with their obvious extreme bias permitted of course.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The amount of Eh's and Ah's in the speech of EB and the others is good, shows they haven't reached the professionalism of TV station people. It's like their brain to speech speed ratio is out of synch, the words tripping up over each other, as it were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭Raichų




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭mountain




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,578 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Reflection is definitely not one of the family strengths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Irrespective of 'reflection' on how it's affected any children; the Burkes have not had the sense to reflect on how this affects them all.

    If a "Burke" CV came across my desk or one of them turned up for an interview, there isn't a hope in hell I'd employ them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,721 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    If I had the surname Burke, went to NUIG and lived in Mayo I'd be changing my name or moving as I suspect that will become a pattern to route CVs straight to the bin!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Why is he not in jail again anyway? I haven't kept up with developments lately…

    Some bright judge should give him community service instead of jail any time he breaches the court order.

    Any ideas what kind of community service would be both useful to society and cause him discomfort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,125 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    He just wouldn't do it. Same as he does at the moment with being told not to attend the school or paying his fines.

    He doesn't give a shite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,827 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Cleaning the steps to the top of Skellig Michael - would keep him away from the school for a while too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,362 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    Actually, packing shelves might be a more appropriate punishment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,934 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    Since he's quite happy to go back to jail there's not really many other options other than taking his money as they're doing now. I suppose theoretically they could make jail an even less pleasant experience if he were to return but they can't realistically. If he got beaten up he and the family would waste no time in suing I'm sure. Do they have a trans wing anywhere?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,575 ✭✭✭happyoutscan


    What we really need is for the entire family to do enough to put themselves in jail for a long time.

    Finally, a bit of peace from these half-wits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,901 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I recon change the law so that a certain period of contempt of court carries a 5/10 year prison sentence. I think the thoughts of a decent jail term might soften his cough. At the moment phytologically while he has done a decent stint locked up he could always leave jail by purging his contempt. The thoughts of ten years with no backsies might change that and if not at least he's out of sight/mind for a decade.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,721 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The school has not sought to have him committed to prison, as it costs them money and doesn't stop him doing it again, or the family making a scene



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭Raichų


    not to worry all of the troublemakers have made their names well known!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,934 ✭✭✭Pentecost


    Imagine being Jeremiah Burke from Castlebar, and trying to convince people you're no relation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭Raichų


    I once heard the definition of insanity trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

    Prison won’t bother him. He spent a combined almost year and a half in prison and he didn’t care. Besides that it’s very murky waters to be going down the route of turning civil contempt into a criminal offence, but anyway, besides that, I think losing his life savings has surely gone some way to stifling this crusade. I imagine once he begins losing his teaching salary is when he’ll feel the net tightening.

    This judge is very good at dealing with the Burkes as a whole in fairness. I am sure David Nolan will continue to tighten the screws. The question is; will Enoch turn? I think so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,073 ✭✭✭Raichų


    it won’t be hard to do so, just express tolerance for anyone or anything different to you. They have no understanding of the concept and can’t imitate it so it’s a foolproof test.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Community service and him - picking up the litter outside WHS is probably about as far as he'd suffer to go.

    At the moment, the latest idea from the state is nice - take the court fines from his teachers salary and make him suffer the indignity of being fleeced legally without being able to do anything about it - a reversal in fortune, pun intended. I'm hoping the AG and the receiver get possession of any other funding accounts in his name, deny him the use of it and use it to pay for what's still due from him in court fines. He may still be liable for the legal costs of other victims of his insolence and ingratitude.

    The state [us] had been paying for his free bed and board, heating, TV, health care, etc while he was a guest of the nation. In case you might ask about the salary, he is still getting it by claiming the people who were to decide if his sacking by WHS was valid were biased against him, putting a temporary block on the final proceedings there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Agree with you the judge has slowed them down and their little trip to America didn’t gain them the traction they were hoping for, and the way the media showed them getting a American eviction from the event wasn’t what they expected. With Enoch going into the school this week was to try gain Irish media attention, it’s all about their ego and being in the limelight for mammy,



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