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Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    Aer Lingus has tried and failed in Scandinavia multiple times already. While SAS has been financially all over the place, it’s very strong on routes out of Dublin. Launching any of those routes would mean competing with SAS, Finnair, Norwegian and Ryanair.

    The discussion has cropped up before but the one size fits all A320 fleet just doesn’t work in markets like this where you need frequency to be competitive.

    Canada is traditionally lower yielding but must be a safer bet now than more expansion to the US. The fact they still only serve YYZ is disappointing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    The timings for Scandinavian flights to/from Dublin aren't great from what I've seen. Went to Oslo last year and to get a long weekend in we had to do Norwegian out and SAS back. Similar situation for a friend who went to Copenhagen this year - Ryanair out and SAS back! Would be great if there was some more flexibility in the service offerings but I agree, it'd be unlikely to see EI be able to compete.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭Phen2206


    I would imagine if EI were to return to CPH/ARN/HEL it would have to be with a main objective of Nordic-USA connections through DUB and not solely competing for leisure/busniess traffic from Ireland to there. I would be optimistic they could compete with SAS on price into the USA and with the advantage of CBP I'd be surprised if they weren't able to attract bookings but there probably just isn't quite enough demand to make it viable - or even it is viable, there's more money to be made flying to Malaga etc. This is probably where smaller jets would make sense.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    There was no "talk" of EI operating to Doha with an A321LR.

    There was an unsubstantiated claim from a brand new, single post account on this forum.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,571 ✭✭✭VG31


    SAS are 13x weekly from DUB to CPH this summer. There's a mid morning and evening flight every day except Saturday from Dublin.

    ARN isn't as good at 9x weekly. Sunday has two flights and Saturday has an evening flight but weekdays are all morning flights, which isn't great for coming back from Stockholm.

    OSL is 4x weekly with times varying depending on the month.

    But more on topic, I can't see EI competing on CPH, ARN or OSL. Both Norwegian and Ryanair also fly DUB to CPH, Ryanair to ARN and Norwegian to OSL. HEL only has Finnair.

    WAW would be a more realistic option IMO. EI only fly there in December and January and Ryanair fly to Modlin which is a long way out of Warsaw.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭user060916


    Why would anyone fly EI ahead of QR to Doha? Except for price



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,872 ✭✭✭pureza


    Finnair are probably a lesser known much better way of getting to the far east than Via Doha anyway

    Hel is a very easy airport to transfer in and no transfer security or mad crowds like Doha when off to non Schengen/far east or ultimate Australian destinations if stopping over



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Qaanaaq


    Rather than new routes, they might look at increasing frequencies on some of the bigger connections such as Rome, to improve the connections to more of the long haul banks. But I agree a lower capacity aircraft like an E190 would help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,634 ✭✭✭Noxegon


    It'd have to be a heck of a lot cheaper for me to even consider EI over QR for a flight to DOH.

    The reality is that EI doesn't have a hope of competing with the ME3 for eastbound long haul.

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    They started a codeshare with Widroe?! Last year to a Scandinavian city, Bergen? Someone will correct me.

    Wonder how that went ? Would anyone have knowledge on it?
    Would probably be a good litmus test of the market.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    While I’d totally agree regarding competing, I could see a codeshare working purely to add seat capacity for connections from their main hub.
    I bet a vast majority of Y passengers would book a convenient connection to Oz/NZ, Asia and not know nor care what carrier part of that journey is with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    I’m not so sure, not saying You are wrong. I use Emirates/Qatar to get to CPT. Their luggage allowance is 2x23kgs. Will AL allow that? I doubt it.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    I think but i could be wrong, if you book a flight and it’s operated by another airline the airline who issued the tickets allowances apply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    funny You mention this. I was going to go to CPT last Christmas. The cheapest I could get was via Emirates ( still +-€1,300 ). But on the return leg it involved a connection with FR from somewhere ( I didn’t pursue it when I saw the name Ryanair mentioned). I was afraid with my 46kgs I’d have to take out a mortgage🤣

    But now If You are right, they’d have been obliged to accommodate me at no extra cost?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    Was it possibly a self connection a flight search website was offering you? I don’t think Ryanair operate interline /codeshare with anyone, I’d frankly be shocked if they did



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭user060916


    Normally it's the Most Significant Carrier rule that applies. However if it was Ryanair, it was too separate tickets and Ryanair's normal baggage costs would apply



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    it was a search on Sky scanner. But like I said I didn’t delve deeper as I thought I’d have to rob a bank with my 46kg luggage



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    Was talking to a EI crew member who i know they were telling me the BNA route is one of the most popular launches,And that they could easily replace the 321 with an 330. I was telling them that me and the missis looking to fly to BNA either directly on the 321 or Via LHR on the 787. They did say the 321 can be a little cramp on a flight to BNA compared to the 787.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 947 ✭✭✭lordleitrim


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/04/19/aer-lingus-considers-flights-to-mexicos-cancun-resort/

    Nothing much of substance here as I'm sure EI "consider" many new routes each year but I suppose it's interesting as it marks a brand new territory if they did launch Cancún! Again, as mentioned in another post, if demand for travel to US is being dampened by the current turmoil, maybe such new routes elsewhere in the Americas may be seriously entertained.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    With EI operating the 321 XLR does it leave scope for cargo ops, Or would that hinder the performance of the aircraft in getting to the new destinations



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,071 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    This article is already out of date.

    EI staff have been told about this imminent launch. (World events could impact it of course)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Dayor Knight


    I would definitely be interested in this as an alternative to Miami….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Dayor Knight




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    Yes the Cancún route is all but announced at this stage. The background work with crewing etc is being finalised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭sherology


    Seats are wider (and the latest Recaro R3 with great screens) on the a321xlr... 787 seat widths are about an inch smaller - but it's widebody so may 'seem' roomier... Direct is always better - especially if you're going the in the opposite direction to your destination for the connection +++hrs (and no pre-clearance).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 881 ✭✭✭LiamaDelta


    They have done great deals with travel agents, anecdotally I know people that got flights plus hotels for 7 nights for €700 or so.

    I would expect the same for Cancun. There's already market there from the TUI summer flights that have happened previously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭donkey balls


    Have around €10k to spend on the honeymoon holiday is about €4500 flights hotels etc included. Normally go through a travel agency so not sure if you can bid for an upgrade if flying with EI as its not a direct booking with them. Pre clearance would probably help on the JFK/BOS routes. When we flew to MSY originally it was via DFW ended up going via MIA due to snow at DFW. clearance at MIA wasn't to bad either. Just checked biz class is about €2500 each the missis said she happily sit in cattle class rather than pay for biz class.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭Touristx73


    Considering RAK was a bit of an out there choice for EI, and it has done very well and had its season extended, is there any likelihood of EI expanding in the region, perhaps a return to AGA or somewhere like TUN or SSH?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 376 ✭✭Shamrockj


    They did AGA before I’m sure. TUN I’m not sure there is a huge demand. SSH could be an interesting one it does very well for easyJet but it’s a bit more complex I think they have to overnight there. Definitely some routes to be looked at. Even the likes of Izmir are extended for winter too. I wonder would the likes of LCA or Cape Verde work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,727 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Why would AL be interested in a country with only just over 500,000 population (CV )? Besides being Portuguese speaking TAP have this market wrapped up ( Just like Brazil ) - they fly to 4 different destinations in CV.
    Lots of speculating again here.



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