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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭trashcan


    I’m reminded of an old Elvis Costello song, “Crawling to the USA” which has a line that seems apt “Everybody is on their knees, except the Russians and the Chinese”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Yes, the charges she brought against Trump were completely over the top and abuse of power.

    How ironic that she alleged that Trump and his company committed business fraud by misrepresenting his net worth and the valuations of his properties in order to receive more favorable terms from lenders and banks.

    After all the witch hunts and lawsuits the Democrats put Trump through, it's entirely reasonable and necessary for Trump to give them a dose of their own medicine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,521 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You must be truly outraged by him deporting people without trial so. Trump went to trial was found guilty as sin by a jury, meanwhile those in an El Salvador prison have faced no form of due process. Or do you only care that Trump was prosecuted for crimes that he did commit? You actually don't seem to be paying any attention to his presidency these days, just because it's going so atrociously?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭Detritus70


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,868 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Seems Temu and Shein are upping their prices to compensate for tariffs. Might dawn on some that a tariff is a consumer tax.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,249 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I wonder if the 90% of Republicans who approve of him are aware he is not a Republican? He is a shyster who has effectively set up his own Trump / MAGA party and movement, a completely different entity - I imagine a large number of Republican reps secretly despise the guy (but cannot say it in public of course).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,189 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Just reading up on this Garcia fella they sent to El Salvador, they were dead right to get him out of the country because he seems to have come to the attention of law enforcement on way too many occasions.

    So smoke without fire I say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,521 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    So he's never been convicted of anything but you think it's justified to deport him to El Salvador? I swear a fair few posters would have been celebrating WW2 Germany designating undesirables back in the day cause there's jumping through hoops to justify throwing human rights out the window…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Yes, the charges she brought against Trump were completely over the top and abuse of power.

    So by that 'logic'; the charges brought against her are……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,249 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The issue was that he was deported without having been convicted of any actual crime in either the US or El Salvador. Had this been allowed to stand, this could have opened the floodgates to millions of US residents being deported from the country by Trump, even if they had never come to the attention of law enforcement in their lives (probably many tens of millions of current US residents and taxpayers moved there technically 'illegally').

    For some context btw, Garcia is married to an American citizen and they are raising a family of three, all of whom have special needs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,630 ✭✭✭yagan


    Won't be surprised if he deports first nations people for being un-American.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,015 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    You disregard Trump's convictions a jury of his peers, yet have determined in your own mind the outcome of a case yet to be heard.

    Your selective "logic" only serves to show others that cannot apply critical thinking to the most basic of premises.

    You seem to think that your post is a "gotcha" moments, when in reality it is farcical.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,662 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    It doesn't matter what kind of person Garcia is, or indeed any of the other people who were sent to El Salvador. The point is they did not have due process, which includes the opportunity to defend themself.

    This is not a matter of rounding someone up and throwing him into the local jail for a night because they are a bit suspect, this is effectively ending someone's life by not just deporting them, but putting them into a interment camp in a third country from which they have no chance of release.

    They should all be brought back, no doubt some of them are gang members and are not people you want free in the streets, but they need to be brought back and put through the proper process of a trial. Then you can deport or extradite them, or put them in jail in America.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Mattyonthepatty


    How the political witchunts backfired on the Democrats.

    They made a political Martyr out of Donald Trump.

    It all started with banning him on twitter and Facebook in 2021, then the many ridiculous court cases, the Dems should of been doing everything to keep Donald Trump out of the news cycle from 21-24 instead of giving him free media attention.

    The Dems would of been much better served getting their own house in order, they were lying to the American Electorate about president Bidens mental health for half a decade untill they couldn't hide after that infamous debate.

    If you want to blame someone for Trump being president again look no further than the powers to be at the Democrat party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,630 ✭✭✭yagan


    You're very confident there'll be another free and fair election in the USA. I'm not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 869 ✭✭✭Dr Robert




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    That is very true.

    I said it at the time of the Alvin Bragg case that it was a nonsense case and taking it would backfire badly.

    It did make a Martyr out of Trump, it galvanised him and led to huge amounts of donations flooding in to renergise his campaign.

    The Letitia James case was also heavy handed, youd be prosecuting hundreds of companies on an annual basis if the same criteria was applied across the board as it was to Trump. It was selective targeting by a biased Attorney General and Judge.

    Standard industry practice expects the lender to do its own re-evaluation of the submissions made by Trump and other borrowers before issuing a loan. The lenders also made substantial profits in the transactions. There was no crime.

    The Dems would of been much better served getting their own house in order, they were lying to the American Electorate about president Bidens mental health for half a decade untill they couldn't hide after that infamous debate.

    Also 100% true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,015 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    More nonsense.

    Effectively, you're saying criminals shouldn't be prosecuted.

    I suppose that does track with Trump supporters.....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,736 ✭✭✭threeball


    Trump is destroying the US economy in a manner they will never recover from. Their biggest trading partners and allies are moving onto pastures new. He will bankrupt the few indigenous industries he had like Tesla, Boeing etc.

    He's created an environment that will see the military suppliers far less relevant except to the US themselves.

    Consumers will face higher prices for everything and you can be sure that the Asian countries he's screwed over will exact a price for agreeing to supply anything going forward.

    NATO bases are likely to close once Europe become self sufficient as we won't want to be launch pads for excursions in the ME and Africa.

    The list goes on and on. If the US were turkeys, they voted for Christmas in November and the price they are about to pay will change the country forever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭Dr Turk Turkelton




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,736 ✭✭✭threeball


    A complete indictment of the Americans that he has done this much damage and he's still floating around the same percentage he got in the election. It takes a special kind of stupid not to realise how badly this is going to affect their day to day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,584 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Well I do see a point in it.

    Alvin Bragg and Letitia James' deeply flawed cases against Trump were catalysts for his resurgence in the Presidential Election.

    They made a martyr of him, galvanised his base and brought in huge donations which helped his campaign tremendously.

    Now its coming out that James is a hypocrite and guilty of similar offences.

    Its not deflection, its not whataboutery.

    If Bragg and James had taken the advice of their legal colleagues who asked them not to proceed with the flimsy cases, Trump would likely not be President now.

    As for shutting down criticism of Trump, on this thread, I think thats nigh on impossible.

    I also have no issue with constructive criticism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    The anecdote was of some person who left Ireland to live in Spain due to rampant immigration. Which makes no sense, Spain has historically had far far greater immigration. Ireland is one of the most genetically homogenous countries in the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,868 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Wouldn't everyone in Spain be a foreigner? She'd be like a Meerkat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 111 ✭✭Mattyonthepatty


    It was hard to take the whole thing seriously, $454 million in the civil fraud case and putting a measly $18 million valuation on Mar a lago. It was comical figures.

    It just shows the Democrats had little faith in their incumbent if they had to go to such extremes to discredit Donald Trump and perhaps more shocking is how much they were willing to insult the intelligence of the American electorate.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,560 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So whether or not it's an abuse of power is based on your opinion of the defendant.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,521 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    It absolutely is whataboutery, you're pointing to Trump's enemies while ignoring the fact he was convicted by a jury of his peers, he was not a victim. You repeatedly complain about judicial overreach but when the judicial system is circumvented by Trump. The reality is Trump is a criminal and continues to behave like one. You're happy with him doing so though. Maybe you want to him destroy the US position in the world though. In which case he's doing an amazing job.

    The constant ranting about the Democrats is more you dodging discussing the presidency, let's be entirely honest about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Will_I_Amnt


    It is the Democrats fault that Trump is president....but not for these reasons. It's because they couldn't have sabotaged their own 2024 election chances more if they tried. Ending up with an uncontested candidate, putting Biden forward unchallenged when they had to have known he wasn't gonna be up to it. Even if Harris was still the nominee at the end of a proper DNC primary contest (unlikely IMO) she'd have been stronger for it. I don't believe a ton of people voted for Trump because of legal persecution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,626 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    The GOP'ers could've nominated Haley. They wanted Trump. Not the democrats fault Trump is POTUS - he was nominated, he ran and won. GOPers who didn't want Trump could've stayed home.

    But, they wanted him, just like the 2 yapping about Democrats and witch hunts and other Trumpisms. They want Trump, they (and all of us) have him.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,560 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So it is deflection and whataboutery. Thanks for confirming.

    I'd ask why the cases were flawed but presumably that's because Trump was found guilty on all counts. Once again the detail debunks your point so you ignore it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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