Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

I'll have to add emojis to the list of tactics used to dismiss a debate.

The mental gymnastics I was referring to I've referenced again in my post above just now if you have a better phrase for it I'd love to hear it.

"International migration is to arrest population decline, population decline is happening in mostly developed countries. Most of Asia (except Japan etc) and Africa are multiples of European fertility rate in fact there are countries in Africa and Asia individually that had more births than the whole EU27 last year."

Did I say all of Asia? Or did I say most of Asia and Africa and give examples of countries that were not like Japan etc...

I'm not really interested in any countries outside of the ones that affect Ireland and if you look at the top 5 countries by number in our IPAS system for the latest figures March 2025 https://www.ipo.gov.ie/en/IPO/20250410-IPO-Monthly-Website-Stats-Mar-2025-FINAL.pdf/Files/20250410-IPO-Monthly-Website-Stats-Mar-2025-FINAL.pdf then out of the top 5 the fertility rate for the following is above the irish rate by multiples of ours at 1.5… I hope that clarifies, it doesn't even matter that they have multiples higher birthrate my point was simply that as per the UN document they are developing countries which have a higher birthrate than the countries they are moving.

Nigeria 5.0 African

Somalia 5.8 African

Pakistan 3.3 Asian

Afghanistan 4.8 Asian

Georgia 2.0 European (just about)

Can you show me where I brought up the great replacement theory? Who brought that up and why did they bring it up? They brought it up to shut down debate and smear debaters as racist. I pointed out that the UN study literally discusses replacement migration that the UN study is not a far right conspiracy theory. That discussing immigration as the % of the population is not far right.

I have repeatedly said that mass immigration from so many different countries in the world in the middle of a cost of living and housing crisis when our government spending has increased by 50 billion in 7 years is a bad idea for the reasons outlined time and time again in this thread.

I also absolutely believe that the % of foreign born people in a country like ours with a population as small as ours needs very careful consideration so that we don't end up losing part of what our country is and risk having integration issues within our society. That only happens with mass immigration from large numbers of countries where there isn't the services or the time for people to integrate. We have one of the largest demographic changes of any country in Europe in the past 30 years. You might disagree with that and say that we should have unlimited immigration and say that it doesnt matter if the % foreign born changes from 3% 1997 to 25%.in 2025 to 30-40% by 2035 or >50% in 2060. A nation is its people its people who have a shared history, culture, traditions, religion, stories, music, sports etc all these things unite a nation and give them a common cause, if you have 25- 30 to 40% of the country born abroad you are naturally going to have a more fragmented society unless integration happens carefully. Just as its OK for Matt Cooper to say when he visits Dublin and hears 80% foreign accents isn't it great its like being in London. I can argue no its not great because Dublin isn't London, its distinct, and there are plenty of Londoners who are not happy about what's happening in London.

Do I believe the Elites are trying to replace white Europeans with Africans and Muslims?

No I don't nor do I believe in an all seeing puppet master who controls the strings of each Government. Its possible I'm sure.

A far more likely explanation is however the virtuousness of a cabal of politicians who see Irelands role in the world as the best boys the virtuous elite. We invite asylum seekers from around the world with a promise of own door accommodation and then a few years later we hand them tents. We invite Ukrainians offer them 240 euro and then cut it to 38 a few years later. No foresight no planning only virtue signaling of an elite bunch of "woke" gobshites.

Granted, I did not mean the continent of Asia or Africa as a whole but certain countries in Asia and Africa specifically the ones relating to the numbers coming to Ireland. I have referenced those relevant ones in the post. Many might have been a better word. The point being as referenced in the UN report it was developing countries with a higher birthrate that had people on the move.

The tolerant left with the insults again.

The context of what I was saying was the UN report which I've referenced many times now. I mentioned Japan because it is one of the countries that is mentioned in the report in need of replacement migration, I'm not sure how that's hard to comprehend. I've explained the rest in my post.

If I was writing a report on replacement migration I probably wouldn't even mention deliberately increasing mortality rates as an option because it could absolutely be used as fodder for a conspiracy theory.

Because Robbie if it was "socially acceptable" would it be Objectively the right thing to do?

Do I believe the Elites are trying to replace white Europeans with Africans and Muslims?

No I don't nor do I believe in an all seeing puppet master who controls the strings of each Government. Its possible I'm sure.

A far more likely explanation is however the virtuousness of a cabal of politicians who see Irelands role in the world as the best boys the virtuous elite. We invite asylum seekers from around the world with a promise of own door accommodation and then a few years later we hand them tents. We invite Ukrainians offer them 240 euro and then cut it to 38 a few years later. No foresight no planning only virtue signaling of an elite bunch of "woke" gobshites

the virtuousness of a cabal of politicians

Who are the cabal of politicans, and are they FF/FG?

virtue signaling of an elite bunch of "woke" gobshite

You dont believe in Elites but you talk about the Elites?

Can you explain who they are, are they cabinet of the FF/FG government?

Brian the quoted text "socially unacceptable" does not appear in that piece of text.

But it is good that you have brought up this piece.

In your post you used the incorrectly quoted piece I have pointed out above and then paraphrased this section and implied there was some conspiracy intended.

To be fair to the UN authors of the report they did acknowledge that increasing mortality rate would be "socially unacceptable" which is a fairly chilling observation.… another conspiracy theory right there.

Where as the author of this document meant that there are three factors influencing population growth Births, deaths and international migration.

Of those 3 factors only two are really considerable in impacting population decline and they will discuss only those two.

They are not implying that UN wants to kill old people, they are not implying old people should be killed. You get that right?

No you Haven't explained why this piece was used. In fact you previously explicitly stated this piece about mortality not being discussed as a fairly chilling observation.… another conspiracy theory right there.

Now you are trying to wave it away as nothing. Weird.

Why is this a chilling observation, and what is the conspiracy you are referring to in this statement?

I think we all know the answer to this. I don’t think this type of information will ever be released.

Given that anecdotes are banned and the authorities don't release the figures, its very hard to post about this in any meaningful way.

Oh yeah that fellow is exactly the type of person we should hope can bully his way to GDPR dáta.

Full on racism is on show. Even other EU citizens are the enemy.

Mask has well and truly slipped for this gowl and his supporters.

How is it rasict or a breach of gdpr to want to know the breakdown of nationalities in social housing. Surely its beneficial to know this so we can see if there is undue pressure being put of the housing stock and policies can be put in place to address this.

There is no definition of indigenous in an Irish context. So the council could never provide this clown a list like he is asking for because his classification does not exist in Irish law.

He seems to be planning to use family names to determine irishness, if the Council were to breach GDPR rights of these individuals and their families and give him his list.

Clown show.

A bit more context on cllr Tom Mc'Donnell.

Recently convicted of criminal damage.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/kildare-councillor-convicted-of-criminal-damage-to-property-insists-he-is-victim-of-gross-fraud-1680641.html

Recieved just 4.7% of first preference votes in the local elections and was elected on the 11th and final count without reaching the quota.

As far as I am aware the name Mc'Donnell is not an indigenous Irish one either. Comes from Scotland.

Why should this councilor be provided with the personal information of people?

I guarantee that among the list of reasons given to those who engaged with the relevant housing authorities about their GDPR information requested and its potential use, that racial profiling by a criminal councilor was not one of those reasons.

Are we in favor of allowing county councilors to breach the rule of law?

Ps have to laugh at this

The bit about his name is a bit disingenuous, if you go back far enough in history all of us are blow ins.

Its often the meme thrown back at me, that sure aren't we all immigrants.