9800 Lite-Retail vs Retail

kmick · 19-07-2004 12:05pm #1

Can anyone tell me the differece between Lite-Retail and Retail on the Sapphire Radeon 9800 Atlantis PRO 128MB. Is there a performance difference or is it just that it does not come with a game?

Lite-Retail
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=122901&cks=SER

Retail
http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.asp?sku=119628&cks=SER

Batbat · 19-07-2004 12:08pm

the ultimate edition can be greatly over clocked

Civilian_Target · 19-07-2004 12:10pm

If I remember correctly the lite has a 128bit memory bus, whereas the normal one has a normal 256bit bus. The slow memory bus actually has a big impact on performace, bringing it down to just above 9600XT standards.

I think it was this card that applied to, but I can't be certain.

Batbat · 19-07-2004 12:13pm

no its just that the the ultimage edition is made from better components with bigger heat dissipation that alows higher over clocking

kmick · 19-07-2004 12:14pm

Both 128 according to the blurb on Komplett.
So just overclocking then?

-ADREN- · 19-07-2004 12:26pm

Both cards have 128Mb and 256bit Memory Bus.

It is the Radeon9800 pro SE , that is the 128bit version, and should be avoided.

As Batbat said the UE edition comes with extra bits, inc a Zalman Heat Pipe, for greater and a very silent cooling option. Though you could just get the Radeon9800 Pro for the 210 and get the Artic VGA cooler for 7 euros.

-Coz.

Batbat · 19-07-2004 12:28pm

you should not be paying more the 180 euro for the 9800 pro 128megs

-ADREN- · 19-07-2004 12:31pm

Well the cheapest ive seen the 128MB Sapphire Radeon 9800 Pro Lite-RTL is on jes-computers for €189.99

Col_Loki · 19-07-2004 1:02pm

the ultimate edition can be greatly over clocked

ehh what? Firstly hes talking about the Lite V Retail version, the ultimate didnt come into it.

The difference between the ultimate and the other editions is the ultimate is passivly cooled so doesent make noise. For this reason its probably less overclockable than the other versions.......

If I remember correctly the lite has a 128bit memory bus, whereas the normal one has a normal 256bit bus

Nope. Your thinkin of the 9800pro 128bit v the 9800pro 256bit memory interface...... this has nothing to do with the "Lite" version.

Basically exactly what ADREN said.

The actual difference between the Lite and Retail is the "Lite" version doesent come with any games included as standard....... thats pretty much the difference.

Watch not to get the "128bit Memory interface version" or the "9800SE"....... think jes only have the 256bit cards anyway.

PS Batbat where can you get a 9800pro for €180?

jesus_thats_gre · 19-07-2004 1:09pm

Lite version does not have any free games

The Retails version does....

They are the exact same card, just different packaging!

Batbat · 19-07-2004 1:10pm

ehh what? Firstly hes talking about the Lite V Retail version, the ultimate didnt come into it.

The difference between the ultimate and the other editions is the ultimate is passivly cooled so doesent make noise. For this reason its probably less overclockable than the other versions.......

omg would you read his post and open his links, the second link is to the ultimate edition which YES is quieter it has a massive heat sink instead of a big fan, no it also has better alloy components ans IS more overclockable.

the ultimate does indeed come with a game but thats not the main difference (if your unlucky you get Tomb raider 4 or 5 whatever the latest one is)

I got mine at Komplett about 3 months ago for 180, it was on special

jesus_thats_gre · 19-07-2004 2:26pm

The only difference between the normal pro and ultimate pro is that is cooled using the fan and ****ty heatsink while the ultimate is passively cooled, thus quieter.. It does not OC better AFAIK

Jammer · 19-07-2004 4:26pm

Originally posted by Batbat
omg would you read his post and open his links, the second link is to the ultimate edition which YES is quieter it has a massive heat sink instead of a big fan, no it also has better alloy components ans IS more overclockable.

the ultimate does indeed come with a game but thats not the main difference (if your unlucky you get Tomb raider 4 or 5 whatever the latest one is)

I got mine at Komplett about 3 months ago for 180, it was on special

I think the original poster just got a bit confused because there is no Full Retail non-ultimate edition.

His original question was about lite retail and full retail, he thought full retail was the "ultimate edition".

Jike jesus_thats_gre said, Lite Retail is the same card, less the fancy packaging and games.

]Originally posted by Batbat
the ultimate does indeed come with a game but thats not the main difference (if your unlucky you get Tomb raider 4 or 5 whatever the latest one is)

Solider of Fortune 2 and Return to castle wolftenstein were packacged with the Saphire 9800Pro, when the card came out they were very very good games.

Half life 2 coupon was bundled with the XT's!

tman · 19-07-2004 4:30pm

Originally posted by Batbat
I got mine at Komplett about 3 months ago for 180, it was on special

erm... i reckon you got one of the 9800 pro se's
haven't seen a proper 9800 pro for under €200 on komplett recently, even on offer.

Col_Loki · 20-07-2004 11:34am

omg would you read his post and open his links, the second link is to the ultimate edition which YES is quieter it has a massive heat sink instead of a big fan, no it also has better alloy components ans IS more overclockable.

Read the topic. The poster got mixed up with the links.

Massive heatsink or not if its passivly cooled the card is going to get very very hot which is not a good thing for overclocking. The ultimate version is aimed at people who want silence.......... overclocking never came into the equation.

I got mine at Komplett about 3 months ago for 180, it was on special

Are you sure about that? Think there might have been a 9800se close to that price but definetly not €180 ....... cheapest 9800pro is €190 from jes and AFAIK komplett didnt even come close to that price even with specials they were still over €200.

kmick · 20-07-2004 4:08pm

Originally posted by Col_Loki
Read the topic. The poster got mixed up with the links.

Massive heatsink or not if its passivly cooled the card is going to get very very hot which is not a good thing for overclocking. The ultimate version is aimed at people who want silence.......... overclocking never came into the equation.

I did not really get mixed up I asked what the diff was between Lite-Retail and Retail and if you follow the linsk this is what you see Lite-Retail and Retail. I think the answer to the question is the card is the same but the stuff that comes in the box is not.

Jammer · 20-07-2004 4:29pm

For Clarity...

The following cards are available;

Lite-Retail
Full Retail
Full Retail Ultimate Edition

You asked the difference between Lite and Full Retaill (and yes, they are the same card).....the Ultimate Edition (Your Second Link) is a whole different card.

Col_Loki · 20-07-2004 5:41pm

Yea exactly Jammer.

Lite-Retail - Same as retail but with no games
Full Retail - Comes with games
Full Retail Ultimate Edition - Same as retail but with silent cooling

kmick , im not sure what you ment but that should tell you the difference which ever one you were talkin about........

kmick · 21-07-2004 9:29am

So there are three versions. Now the other posts all make sense thanks for clearing it up.

Stephen · 21-07-2004 10:06am

I got my 9800 pro for €195 from Komplett about a month ago - it was in their "demo" section - i.e. the box was battered but other than that its perfect

Batbat · 21-07-2004 10:13am

quote:I got mine at Komplett about 3 months ago for 180, it was on special

Are you sure about that? Think there might have been a 9800se close to that price but definetly not €180 ....... cheapest 9800pro is €190 from jes and AFAIK komplett didnt even come close to that price even with specials they were still over €200.

Just checked my delivery date see below, but i was wrong about the price, I think it was 220 not including the shipping, sorry I must have seen the 180 price more recently.

SKU Description Qty Price Total
119628 Sapphire Radeon 9800 Atlantis PRO 128MB
AGP, ATI, "Ultimate Edition", Retail

1 in delivery 800042269
Released for picking: 2004-03-22T13:40:11
Picking started: 2004-03-22T13:40:11
Picking completed: 2004-03-22T00:00:00
Packing completed: 2004-03-22T00:00:00
Shipped: 2004-03-22T00:00:00
Tracking number: 6202338424

1.00 249.00 249.00

9800 Lite-Retail vs Retail

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