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Pentium IV versus Celeron

cutback · 2005-12-10 01:06:50

Would anyone know what speed of Pentium IV would give an equivalent performance to a Celeron running at 2.53GHz? I'm thinking of buying a budget Celeron system but would like to get some idea of how it might perform. Thanks

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Would anyone know what speed of Pentium IV would give an equivalent performance to a Celeron running at 2.53GHz?

I'm thinking of buying a budget Celeron system but would like to get some idea of how it might perform.

Thanks

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#2 10-12-2005 1:12am

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Id go for a cheaper P4, Them celeron's Can be very slow with their 128-K l2 Cache, p4's use 512k which Really gives a boost in performance. Look for a cheap sempron system, These Generally perform better then celeron's, Run cooler and game better. They are the Equivelant to Celeron's Cheap budget range.

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#3 10-12-2005 12:38pm

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I'd imagine about 2.2 GHz ?

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#4 10-12-2005 12:47pm

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It all depends on what you will be doing with the PC. If you are going to be using processor intensive applications and games,then forget the Celeron, as HungryJoey says the cache is a lot less than that of a P4, even a low speed P4.

Celerons are used for bargain basement PC's really too keep costs down.

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#5 10-12-2005 12:55pm

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Go with a cheap AMD unit. It will be faster. If you go for a 754 socket with PCI express you'd have a resonable upgrade path. Socket A (AMD) and (478) are pretty much a dead end. I went for a cheap 478 as I don't plan on upgrading I'll just sell the whole unit and buy a new one.

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#6 10-12-2005 12:58pm

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I used to have a 2.4Ghz Celeron, and could never detect any noticible difference between it and a 2.53 P4. The Celeron D's are supposed to be better.

I dont think there is any great difference in the cost of manufacturing a Celeron and Pentium 4. Same processes required, the difference is mostly marketing and blanking off a bit of cache so the Celeron wont cannabalise the sale of P4s.

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#7 10-12-2005 1:04pm

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Depends on the celeron, theres lots of different ones. Some are almost the same as a P4 and others are much slower at certain tasks. Stuff like games, encoding music and video and heavy processing tasks would be much slower. If its just standard office and net use then it wouldn't make a difference. Still poor value compared to a socket 754 system though.

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#8 10-12-2005 1:58pm

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Socket 754 doesnt hold great upgrade potential tbh. 939 will become the budget socket next year when M2 comes. It's worth spending the extra now and getting a 939 motherboard with PCI-E & going for an opteron.

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#9 10-12-2005 2:37pm

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Socket 754 doesnt hold great upgrade potential tbh. 939 will become the budget socket next year when M2 comes. It's worth spending the extra now and getting a 939 motherboard with PCI-E & going for an opteron.

Does anyone seriously upgrade a processor? By the time you find it necessary to upgrade, what ever socket you have will have been abandoned between 2 and 7 years ago. In 1997 I bought a Pentium II with a socket 1? for this reason. By the time I needed to upgrade Pentium 4s were heading towards 3Ghz. (2002).

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#10 10-12-2005 3:22pm

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Lots of people upgrade their processors..

Socket A went from a Duron 600 all the way to XP3200+ which is pretty crazy!

Everyone has different requirements as far as processors go - there are those guys who spend €1000's on their pc's and those who have never spent €1000 on pc hardware in their life.

If you want the best cheap performance, go either for a Celeron D 775 or a Sempron 754 setup. Otherwise 939 with an opteron is the way to go.

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#11 10-12-2005 3:31pm

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get an athlon or pentium 4 ,celeron is no use for games or multimedia ,cache too small ,go 4 at least 2.4ghz or 3ghz if u can afford it.once u have good cpu u can always upgrade memory,graphics etc ,in future component prices drop every few months,or buy parts on boards.ie .

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#12 10-12-2005 5:23pm

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Thanks for all the info.

I was looking to get the celeron machine for my dad to replace a windows 98 machine with a pentium III and 128MB RAM. All he uses it for is going on the internet via dial up and MS Office stuff. He needs a new printer but most modern printers aren't compatible with Windows 98 hence I'm hoping to get the Dell Dimension 1100 which is mentioned on another thread with the e-value code.

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#13 10-12-2005 7:02pm

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to replace a windows 98 machine with a pentium III and 128MB RAM

that sounds just like a Dell Dimesion XPS T600

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#14 10-12-2005 7:43pm

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cutback wrote:

Thanks for all the info.

I was looking to get the celeron machine for my dad to replace a windows 98 machine with a pentium III and 128MB RAM. All he uses it for is going on the internet via dial up and MS Office stuff. He needs a new printer but most modern printers aren't compatible with Windows 98 hence I'm hoping to get the Dell Dimension 1100 which is mentioned on another thread with the e-value code.

Should be grand then as long as you get 512mb ram
Seems alot of hassle to just get a new printer - would be alot cheaper to buy another 512mb ram and then install XP.

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#15 11-12-2005 12:15am

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you could buy this for your Da from dell outlet (www.dell.ie/do ):

no monitor mind

Price incl. VAT and Delivery EUR 375.63

Dimension 1100/B110 (System Identifier. Z2CML7W2)
Dimension 1100 Celeron 335 (2.80GHz, 533)
English - Win XP SP2 Home

Operating System: English - Win XP SP2 Home
Memory: 512MB Dual Channel DDR (2x256MB)
Floppy Drive: No Floppy Drive
Hard Disk Drive: 80GB IDE (7, 200rpm) Hard Drive
Modem: V.92 Modem Data/Fax/Voice PCI UK
DVD Drive: 48X DVD/CDRW Combo Drive
Software: Microsoft® Works® 7.0
Dell Media Experience 3.0
Dell Support 3.0
English - Adobe Reader 6.0
Image Restore Utility
MISC: Dell 2 Button USB Scroll Entry Mouse
USB KEYBOARD UK MG

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#16 11-12-2005 5:02pm

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"would be alot cheaper to buy another 512mb ram and then install XP."

with the cost involved in getting a copy of XP it's not much more expensive to buy a whole new machine. I have XP running on my own machine but it came pre-installed so I don't have the disks

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#17 11-12-2005 5:11pm

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The celeron will be fine for office apps/web browsing etc. If anyone is going to play any games on it, ever, get a better CPU

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#18 11-12-2005 5:14pm

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XP Pro upgrade
http://cgi.ebay.ie/WINDOWS-XP-PROFESSIONAL-UPGRADE-ACADEMIC-UK-RETAIL-BOX_W0QQitemZ7201552713QQcategoryZ41888QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
€90 ish with postage.
512mb ram:
http://cgi.ebay.ie/HITACHI-512-MB-133Mhz-SDRAM-PC133-DIMM-133-512MB-168PIN_W0QQitemZ6830288925QQcategoryZ14918QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
€35 ish with postage

€125 - problem solved

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#19 11-12-2005 7:04pm

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do you reckon that the pentium III running XP would be just as good as the celeron?

I'd like to get the old man a machine which performs well for his needs, there's no point me spending money on power he'll never use but I also don't want to waste money on a budget machine if the pentium III would give similar performance. I'm happy to pay for the new machine for him but I just wanna be certain that there'll be a noticeable improvement in performance.

thanks for all the input, appreciate it.

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#20 11-12-2005 7:19pm

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No.

Buy a new machine. Not only will it be faster and probably have a better optical drive and a larger hard drive, but it will be new (as in less likely for something to fail and a 12 mth warranty).

I have a PIII 733 / 256 RAM in the office running Win 2000, and it is nothing compared to a P4 class celeron. takes 3 times as long to load, slower to open word etc etc.

Anyway, you will be able to sell the pIII for €100ish, which will make the new Celeron a even more sensible option.

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#21 11-12-2005 7:41pm

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I had a P1 233 (192mb ram) running windows 2000 and it was quick opening all office & internet applications. We have a brand new P4 3.0ghz (1gb) with a manufacturer installed XP and its slower day-to-day than a properly set up 1.33ghz (512mb) athlon system we have... it all depends on how junked up you keep the system for simple things like office.

If all he does is surf the net & use MS office, then a low power P3 will be fine.

Also, if the P3 system has lasted this long without fail, I doubt it's in any grave danger of failing. You arent guaranteed a new system isnt going to fail.

If you want to buy the new system, go ahead, it wont be any great waste of money. You'll get about €50-100 for the P3 system (depending on monitor).
Btw, the free Dell printer offered with most new systems (720 i think) isnt up to much from what I've seen.

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#22 11-12-2005 9:08pm

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FYI,

I decided to go for the new machine. I opted for the 2.8GHz Celeron in the end. Here's what I got if you're interested:

Dimension 1100 (D12111) Qty 1
Intel® Celeron® D Processor 335 (2.80GHz, 533fsb, 256K cache), Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition, SP2
Unit Price Incl. VAT € 337.59

Module Description Show Details
Base Intel® Celeron® D Processor 335 (2.80GHz, 533fsb, 256K cache)
Microsoft Operating System Genuine Windows® XP Home Edition, SP2
Memory 512MB Dual Channel DDR400 (2x256MB)
Keyboard Dell Entry Quietkey USB Keyboard - UK/Ire (QWERTY)
Monitor No Monitor Required
Hard Drive 80GB (7,200rpm) Hard Drive
Floppy Drives No Floppy Drive Required
Mouse Dell USB 2Button Wheel Mouse
Modem V.92 Data Fax Modem
CD/DVD Drives 48X CDRW Drive
Speakers No Speakers
Shipping Documents Documentation with UK Power Cord
Gedis Bundle Reference List D12111 Dimension 1100
Microsoft Application Software Microsoft® Works 7.0 - English
Standard Warranty 90-Day Collect and Return service
Cover It with Dell Support Services 90-Day Collect and Return service
AntiVirus & Security Software No Security Subscription
Dell Photo Album Free upgrade to Paint Shop Pro Photo Album Premium
Paint Shop Paint Shop™ Pro® Basic Edition
Order Information Dimension Order - Ireland
Dell Media Experience Dell Media Experience 3.0 Basic
Adobe Reader Adobe Reader 6.0 - English
Dell Internet Order Dell Internet Order.

TOTAL Incl. VAT:€ 337.59

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#23 12-12-2005 3:17am

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Good choice. I personally would have gone with the extra RAM and XP (or just stayed with the the original RAM and '98, and bought one of the many printers available that don't require XP), but the price seems decent for what you're getting.

And don't listen to goombas who say celeron sucks, because it's better than a p4 on a performance/price ratio.

"Too little cache" is a load of xollox. The only thing that matters is "speed", and it's pretty easy to measure one CPU's speed against another. It doesn't matter how it's designed or what it's clock rate is or how large its cache is as long as it's faster (or cheaper) than the next fella. I once had a Cyrix 6x86 233+ machine with a L2 cache eight times the size of my brand new Sempron 64 3000+ and I don't have to tell you how much slower the Cyrix is :P

Just for reference, doubling the cache is (very!) roughly the equivelant of adding 100 to 200MHz. Of course it all depends on the clock rate and design of the processor and what you're doing with it.

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#24 12-12-2005 3:33am

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Ummmm....:D

http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3261_3398581__1
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2395&p=1

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#25 14-12-2005 9:41pm

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Have a look at this thread perhaps.

Replace that Win 95/98 PC with this new Dell for €258
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054862118

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