Phil Hellmuth moans after a bad beat and when he's fairly beaten-wsop 2005

smoke · 21-04-2006 04:07PM #1

Just for those who havent seen it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3K-OzP-0ek&search=wsop

Scotty # · 22-04-2006 12:21AM

Phil in the early days......

Hectorjelly · 22-04-2006 02:58AM

I remember we had an argument on Hellmouths merits here a year or so ago, some people who I will not name out of kindness claimed he was one of the best poker player in the world. Anyone who saw his performance on the High Stakes poker shows will know how laughable a concept this is.

ditpoker · 22-04-2006 11:29AM

Hectorjelly wrote:

I remember we had an argument on Hellmouths merits here a year or so ago, some people who I will not name out of kindness claimed he was one of the best poker player in the world. Anyone who saw his performance on the High Stakes poker shows will know how laughable a concept this is.

nine time world champion... yea he's rubbish...

kevthecelt · 22-04-2006 11:37AM

yeah i really dont see how you can dismiss him as a poker player,a muppet he may be but he is a great tournament player but a donkey of a cash game player, he probably only did the show for exposure

NickyOD · 22-04-2006 12:03PM

Hectorjelly wrote:

I remember we had an argument on Hellmouths merits here a year or so ago, some people who I will not name out of kindness claimed he was one of the best poker player in the world. Anyone who saw his performance on the High Stakes poker shows will know how laughable a concept this is.

LMFAO!

pok3rplaya · 22-04-2006 12:06PM

Hectorjelly wrote:

I remember we had an argument on Hellmouths merits here a year or so ago, some people who I will not name out of kindness claimed he was one of the best poker player in the world. Anyone who saw his performance on the High Stakes poker shows will know how laughable a concept this is.

I know some guys from another forum who have played with him. Apanrantly he's a big donator in the high stakes games online when he plays.

shoutman · 22-04-2006 12:19PM

pok3rplaya wrote:

I know some guys from another forum who have played with him. Apanrantly he's a big donator in the high stakes games online when he plays.

ahhh sure they are all rigged anyway :rolleyes:

Sinfonia · 22-04-2006 01:33PM

he may be somewhat lacking in cash games (i'm sure he's still better than most though!) but he's an excellent tournament player, builds up a nice stack in earlier levels by taking chips from the weak players

Ollieboy · 22-04-2006 02:18PM

I think its more likely he was a great player, very much in pass sense. He's very involved in media work and doesnt seem to play as much now as he used too. He's busy writing books and involved in movies, so I think poker comes a very lonely 3rd in his life after his family also.

But he's making loads of money in these different projects and I'm sure in a few years he'll be back at the poker table. You've also got to remember, he dominated the game when the WSOP only had 300 entries etc, but a high quality field and the game itself as change in the last few years.

willis · 22-04-2006 02:40PM

hes still goin strongly in the wpt championship at the moment which most pros consider to be the "real world championship". The fact that plenty of top pros still remain in looks like proving this imo

MrPillowTalk · 22-04-2006 02:46PM

My two cent on Hellmuth.

Hellmuth killed all of them tournaments before the poker boom, i.e. before you had online qualifiers and crazy scandies making up half the entries to every tournament. I think the reason he had so much success during this period is because basically he was the only one playing the type of poker he plays i.e. seeing a lot of flops and outplaying people.

Unfortunately for Phil the players who have come up in the last few years and the players that are all coming up at the moment, many play his type of game which really stifles his play, the new players will gamble with him more than when he was winning everything.

Rob Yong wrote a good post over on Blondepoker about Phil, he makes the point that he slowplays all his big hands and when it works you look like a genius but as is the nature of slowplaying you will get outdrawn for hugh pots regularly, he claims he is the unluckiest player in poker but it just seems that way because he doesnt play his game fast.

I dont think hes a bad player 9 bracelets is unreal, but he doesnt seem to have the hunger, poker is very different to sports in many ways but this is one similarity, if you dont want it enough it wont happen. He makes a ton of money through his poker celebrity status so I dont think hes too bothered really, apparently he charges $50k for a personal appearance.

MrPillowTalk · 22-04-2006 02:49PM

if you google "phill hellmuth crying" you get 26100 hits.

says it all really

Sinfonia · 22-04-2006 03:19PM

he won that Heads-up championship last year - i dont think he's outta the game

Hectorjelly · 22-04-2006 03:27PM

ditpoker wrote:

nine time world champion... yea he's rubbish...

great post, says it all really

DeVore · 22-04-2006 03:42PM

I actually watched those hands because if you watch the reel again you can see Irelands Paddy O'Connor on the table too. What the cameras didnt show was that Paddy ALSO had AQ on the hand Phil went out on (holding AQ). Paddy had the good sense not to tanlge with Quackquack (the guy who bets 66k and who only raises in multiples of 22... I sh*t you not).

From being up close, he struck me as an obnoxious bollox who was stuck up, aloof and arrogant. What kind of poker player he is, I couldnt tell you and it pales into insignificance really. Would you want to be be like that if it meant you'd win? Not I....

DeV.

ntlbell · 22-04-2006 03:58PM

Hectorjelly wrote:

I remember we had an argument on Hellmouths merits here a year or so ago, some people who I will not name out of kindness claimed he was one of the best poker player in the world. Anyone who saw his performance on the High Stakes poker shows will know how laughable a concept this is.

I can't remember if I was involved in that thread, probably as I like the guy alot.

I suppose it depends what you want from the game, some pople have 9 WSOP bracelts, millions of dollars in winnings and world fame.

others have stories about going all in twice in a tournament with 24o.

loosecannon · 22-04-2006 08:25PM

lol at the above but i have to feel for phil hellmuth myself despite his rant, he completely outplayed that fella and got badly rivered, and he does make the valid point that 'this is suppoused to be the world series of poker, and there's some of the worst players in the world here! lol'

cardshark202 · 22-04-2006 09:22PM

I remember saying how great a tourney player hellmuth was which his record suggests he is. The hsp made him look a total donk though.

delanec8 · 23-04-2006 12:36AM

Yeah he tilted off a lot of money on HSP but you can't doubt he is one of the best tournament holdem players in the world. Listened to him on the Circuit the other night and he said that over the past year, barring the WSOP, he has been playing at most 1 tournament a month. I would imagine if he played as much as most of the pros he would be making more final tables.

He's made 4 or 5 WPT final tables(not many people have done that) and his WSOP record is pretty ridiculous. Obviously a lot of people don't like him but even with all the top players playing HSP the episode i couldnt wait for was when Phil joined the game. By far the most entertaining player to watch.

Goodluck2me · 23-04-2006 12:54AM

delanec8 wrote:

He's made 4 or 5 WPT final tables(not many people have done that) and his WSOP record is pretty ridiculous. Obviously a lot of people don't like him but even with all the top players playing HSP the episode i couldnt wait for was when Phil joined the game. By far the most entertaining player to watch.

i agree, i am by no way a phil hulmuth fan in fact quite the opposite his demeanour at the table isnt a good look for poker, but if you or me won 9/10 bracelets no matter how many times we entered them we'd be pissed if someone tried to accuse us of being anything less than top class. the guys an ass but he is a great tourney player youdont get 9 bracelets and all of the WPT FTs he has by making stupid decision and bad beating people. he a class act, but a horrible guy IMO...:cool:

pok3rplaya · 23-04-2006 03:55AM

CASH COW:

kincsem · 23-04-2006 07:34PM

Pokerpages.com for WSOP all-time cashes and 1,2,3 finishes.

Phil says he is humble. :eek:

FastMachine · 23-04-2006 08:26PM

He's a good player alright but has he got what it takes to beat a Worldwide Poker Champion (1998) - Bill Milfmaff......sorry Filmaff

http://www.billvsphil.com/

Phil Hellmuth moans after a bad beat and when he's fairly beaten-wsop 2005

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