Super Sized Bus Stop - Rathmines Rd Upper

Linoge · 14-06-2006 04:24PM #1

Has anyone else seen the oversized bus stop now stretching half the length of Rathmines Road Upper? There have been marking put down over the last few days just outside my flat. I'm not sure how many buses need 50ft (not an exageration) to pull in. FFS, the 14 only goes about 5 times a day. This stop has taken up spaces for 3 cars at least. And of course it goes without saying, it was the side with free parking.

Has anyone else seen this? I defo would like to make a complaint, does anyone know who it should be to?
:mad: :mad: :mad:

popebenny16 · 14-06-2006 05:01PM

Busses are getting longer, there are tri-axles and bendibuses, so they probably have to make the boxes bigger and also to accomodate two at once. Dosnt the 15 do Rathmines road as well?

Victor · 14-06-2006 05:11PM

popebenny16 wrote:

Dosnt the 15 do Rathmines road as well?

Only the lower section, then it goes up Rathgar Road.

John R · 14-06-2006 05:41PM

Linoge wrote:

Has anyone else seen the oversized bus stop now stretching half the length of Rathmines Road Upper? There have been marking put down over the last few days just outside my flat. I'm not sure how many buses need 50ft (not an exageration) to pull in. FFS, the 14 only goes about 5 times a day. This stop has taken up spaces for 3 cars at least. And of course it goes without saying, it was the side with free parking.

Has anyone else seen this? I defo would like to make a complaint, does anyone know who it should be to?
:mad: :mad: :mad:

It sounds more or less like a standard modern stop, maybe a little bigger than average. There is supposed to be enough room to pull in completely level to allow wheelchair ramps be safely used.

BTW the 14A uses that road and there is one about every 40 minutes.

You could always complain to the planning department of the council, doubt it would do much good though. Believe it or not it is the Gardai who have final say about the placements of bus stops, good luck getting one interested in the topic though.

All the local councils in Dublin have been getting rid of free roadside parking spaces, either turning them into pay spaces or banning parking. The days of plentiful free parking near the city are gone now. I know of about a dozen or so left around the Stephen's Green area from when I worked there but there used to be many more.

popebenny16 · 14-06-2006 05:52PM

This is the road that goes down towards Palmerston Park/Cowper road so? I thought there were plenty of buses on that road, not only a couple a day.

John R · 14-06-2006 06:02PM

popebenny16 wrote:

This is the road that goes down towards Palmerston Park/Cowper road so? I thought there were plenty of buses on that road, not only a couple a day.

That's the one.

There used to be a more frequent service along there before Luas but it still has a regular service. Bus stops still required.

Victor · 14-06-2006 06:13PM

Standard bus is 10m+, VT is 12m, bendy bus is ...

http://www.dublinbus.ie/your_journey/viewer.asp?route=14 via Rathgar / Rathgar Road

http://www.dublinbus.ie/your_journey/viewer.asp?route=14a via Dartry (limited service via Palmerstown Park).

It might be more worthwhile to merge the two operating only on Rathmines Road Upper, assuming not so many people use the connection at Rathgar and can change instead at Rathmines Garda Station. Against this, the 14 has use of the inbound bus lane on Rathgar Road.

John R · 14-06-2006 06:39PM

Both routes are needed. The 14 is the only route that serves the north part of Orwell Rd, Braemor park and Braemor Rd. There are no other routes close to Braemor Rd.

Red Alert · 14-06-2006 07:07PM

I don't think they'll be buying any more bendibuses - they were almost universally disliked.

Mimikyu · 14-06-2006 09:06PM

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jman0 · 15-06-2006 10:39AM

Linoge if you're living in Rathmines why do you own a car?
In my opinion you are being part of the problem.
Maybe this new bus stop is part of the solution.

Linoge · 16-06-2006 11:45AM

Solitaryman666 wrote:

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I'll post up a pic this evening. It really is amazing.

jman0 wrote:

Linoge if you're living in Rathmines why do you own a car?
In my opinion you are being part of the problem.
Maybe this new bus stop is part of the solution.

I'm not going to dignify this absolute bollox talk/complete trolling with a response.

super_furry · 16-06-2006 11:52AM

jman0 wrote:

Linoge if you're living in Rathmines why do you own a car?
In my opinion you are being part of the problem.
Maybe this new bus stop is part of the solution.

Agreed. More public transport facilities and less private car parking space on public roads will only benefit the city in the long run.

noeleenred · 16-06-2006 12:35PM

I think the path looks lovely now in Rathmines, I think they did a really nice job.

markpb · 16-06-2006 12:52PM

Linoge wrote:

Has anyone else seen the oversized bus stop now stretching half the length of Rathmines Road Upper? There have been marking put down over the last few days just outside my flat. I'm not sure how many buses need 50ft (not an exageration) to pull in.

I haven't seen the bus stop you're talking about but in Santry people routinely park in right beside bus stops, meaning there's nowhere for the bus to pull in - leaving it sitting on the road blocking traffic. The extra space is there to accomodate buses getting out of your way as you drive past.

It might escape our city planners but bus stops need to be considerably longer than the buses they serve.

popebenny16 · 16-06-2006 02:28PM

Linoge if you're living in Rathmines why do you own a car?
In my opinion you are being part of the problem.
Maybe this new bus stop is part of the solution

I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. The OP ought to be tied into his car, have it set alight and be driven off the North Wall, the swine!!

Actually he is part of the problem. We should have an end to this. A final solution.

Linoge · 16-06-2006 04:49PM

Ok, here are the pics.

And, I can't believe that I am actually replying to people who think that I should not be allowed to own a car.

So as not to be hypocritical, I hope these posters can all tick the following boxes:

Middle Class
Do not own a house
Do not invest in property
Save all their money
Do not consume luxury goods
Do not go on foreign holidays

I would not like to think that you are a social drain, contribute to house price increases, cause inflation or take money out of the country.

If you cannot tick every box then "you are part of the problem".

Back to the topic, the problem is not the bus stop, the bus stop has always been there. Its the sheer size of it (the length of 3 buses) that is the problem. See pics attached.

Alun · 16-06-2006 04:56PM

Linoge wrote:

Back to the topic, the problem is not the bus stop, the bus stop has always been there. Its the sheer size of it (the length of 3 buses) that is the problem. See pics attached.

Make up your mind ... first it was the length of 3 cars, now it's grown to 3 busses. As others have pointed out, if cars are parked right up to the ends of the bus stop area, and the bus wants to pull right in to the kerb, it's going to need a space considerably longer than the bus is to be able to do this.

Linoge · 16-06-2006 07:01PM

Alun wrote:

Make up your mind ... first it was the length of 3 cars, now it's grown to 3 busses.

Linoge wrote:

This stop has taken up spaces for 3 cars at least.

The bus stop is 3 buses in length in total. The extra length that has been added to the bus stop has taken up 3 car spaces. Why don't you try to understand "the essence of the argument" rather than just nit picking (and wrongly at that).

PS. The pic attached might have helped you.

Alun wrote:

As others have pointed out, if cars are parked right up to the ends of the bus stop area, and the bus wants to pull right in to the kerb, it's going to need a space considerably longer than the bus is to be able to do this.

I do read other peoples posts, thanks for reitterating.

HelterSkelter · 16-06-2006 11:32PM

jman0 wrote:

Linoge if you're living in Rathmines why do you own a car?
In my opinion you are being part of the problem.
Maybe this new bus stop is part of the solution.

Will you cop on, he pays road tax, he has every right to own a car. How do you know he is contributing to the problem anyway? For all you know he might get the bus to work everyday and use his car at weekends to drive back home.

jman0 · 17-06-2006 09:48AM

HelterSkelter wrote:

Will you cop on, he pays road tax, he has every right to own a car. How do you know he is contributing to the problem anyway? For all you know he might get the bus to work everyday and use his car at weekends to drive back home.

He lives about 500m from a Luas line and right out his door apparently are major Bus lines. What if everybody in Dublin decided they should own a car?
Look around mate, the city is a cluster-f*ck of a car park on every bloody road already. Possibly most of them parked illegally (2 wheels up on footpath). You guys are the ones to cop on and exercise some social responsibility.
The car culture is unsustainable.
Is this the Ireland you want?
I know i don't.
Btw, Linoge doesn't pay road tax, he pays motor tax.
Oh, and if he just uses it on the weekend, then it's simply irresponsible and selfish to commandeer public road space to store your metal box thru the week.

cast_iron · 18-06-2006 12:41AM

jman0 wrote:

Linoge if you're living in Rathmines why do you own a car?
In my opinion you are being part of the problem.
Maybe this new bus stop is part of the solution.

I agree with Linoge not dignifying this rubbish with a response.
You would have some (though very little) justification if you knew he worked on the luas/bus line, but you have absolutely no idea!
Perhaps he is a sales rep - so what, now he must give up his job?
Perhaps no luas bus will bring him close to where he works?
(assuming he works...i don't actually know!)

What's worse is people actually agree with you.

Simply put, if someone wants to buy a car, who are you to criticise them for doing it?

murphaph · 18-06-2006 10:26AM

Owning a car is not the problem. Expecting your own space outside your city dwelling on the public highway is. In Germany, many people own 'weekend' cars and they often have to park them 10mins+ walk from their houses as there will be no parking allowed/not enough space outside their own flat. That's city life for you. Dublin isn't an overgrown vllage, it is actually a city and parking restrictions are one of the ways a city keeps moving. Find another place to park your car OP.

HelterSkelter · 18-06-2006 08:32PM

Get off your high horse, if you want to preach to people that owning a car is so wrong then start your own thread and don't hijack this. The OP has not even said he owns a car. He is complaining about the excessive length of the bus stop.

Aquavid · 19-06-2006 12:40AM

Linoge wrote:

Has anyone else seen the oversized bus stop now stretching half the length of Rathmines Road Upper?

Half the length of Rathmines Road Upper? Gross over-estimation of the size of the bus bay.

Linoge wrote:

FFS, the 14 only goes about 5 times a day.

The 14A (which is the route that actually uses that road) runs 34 times a day Mon-Fri inbound. Gross under-estimation of the frequency of the bus route.

If you are going to complain about this to the traffic division of the Gardai, I would suggest that you get your facts in order before doing so.

Aquavid

murphaph · 19-06-2006 10:39AM

HelterSkelter wrote:

Get off your high horse, if you want to preach to people that owning a car is so wrong then start your own thread and don't hijack this.

Read my post properly before lashing out. I actually said there was no problem owning a car :rolleyes:

HelterSkelter wrote:

The OP has not even said he owns a car. He is complaining about the excessive length of the bus stop.

Why would the length of a bus stop bother him? Surely it's better to have the bus stop (large or otherwise) outside his flat if he doesn't own a car!

Linoge · 20-06-2006 12:22AM

jman0 wrote:

You guys are the ones to cop on and exercise some social responsibility.
The car culture is unsustainable.
Is this the Ireland you want?
I know i don't..

See my post above about consumer behaviour, a much bigger gollum.

jman0 wrote:

Btw, Linoge doesn't pay road tax, he pays motor tax.

Yes, it is called motor tax, but my motor tax pays for the roads. Whats your point?

murphaph wrote:

Owning a car is not the problem. Expecting your own space outside your city dwelling on the public highway is. In Germany, many people own 'weekend' cars and they often have to park them 10mins+ walk from their houses as there will be no parking allowed/not enough space outside their own flat. That's city life for you. Dublin isn't an overgrown vllage, it is actually a city and parking restrictions are one of the ways a city keeps moving. Find another place to park your car OP.

Do you swear to tell the truth and the whole truth.....??
Germany
land: 349,223 sq km
Rail track km46,166
Ireland
land: 68,890 sq km
Rail Track: 3,312

7 x land mass and 15 x rail track (for example)

Have you ever been to Germany?? I don't exactly think that you are comparing like with like.
Tell us where they park their cars in Addis Ababa if you really want to compare like with like:rolleyes:

Aquavid wrote:

Half the length of Rathmines Road Upper? Gross over-estimation of the size of the bus bay.

The 14A (which is the route that actually uses that road) runs 34 times a day Mon-Fri inbound. Gross under-estimation of the frequency of the bus route.

If you are going to complain about this to the traffic division of the Gardai, I would suggest that you get your facts in order before doing so.

Aquavid

You are a legend:D

Ok, for all you non believers and non-readers of posts out there, here are yet more pics that might help you understand the situation.

So, now we have pics of 2 bus stops, on either side of Rathmines Road Upper. One side is pay parking, one side is not. I can't tell which one.... can you????

And Helter and Cast, thanks for the support, but I really think we are hitting our heads against a brick wall with some people here. Kinda looking forward to what Aquavid will say next though!:D

Victor · 20-06-2006 01:23AM

I took a look at it this morning. That was me goose-stepping up the road outside your bedroom at 07:30.

Linoge wrote:

I'm not sure how many buses need 50ft (not an exageration) to pull in.

This would appear to about right.

I think its down to two factors (a) its near a corner to Rathmines Avenue, so its problematic if the bus overshoots the stop, nowhere to board safely and line of sight is compromised (b) one has to make sure the bus pulls into the kerb, not just for passenger safety and convenience, but also to avoid obstructing the road.

murphaph · 20-06-2006 01:36AM

Linoge wrote:

Germany
land: 349,223 sq km
Rail track km46,166
Ireland
land: 68,890 sq km
Rail Track: 3,312

7 x land mass and 15 x rail track (for example)

Germany also has 80 million people and a much more dispersed population at that. Ireland has 4 million with a quarter of that in the Greater Dublin Region! Dublin is perfectly comparable with a german city of similar size for our purposes. Here's why-you are claiming that because your average 1 million citizen german city has a proper rail network and Dublin doesn't, that we shouldn't compare traffic management strategies? That's ridiculous quite frankly because in the city with poorer rail based solutions you actually need stricter traffic/parking restrictions to allow the arguably more important road based public transport (buses) to function as well as possible.

Linoge wrote:

Have you ever been to Germany?? I don't exactly think that you are comparing like with like.
Tell us where they park their cars in Addis Ababa if you really want to compare like with like:rolleyes:

I've been to Germany more times than I can remember, to multiple cities. People often park their cars a long walk from home as they only use them at the weekend. Nobody would expect a space outside their flat. You'd be very lucky if you got one. Dublin Bus has it's faults, but I am willing to bet that public transport is better even in Dublin than Addis Ababa.

I have no problem with car ownership or whatever, but you live on an arterial route in the city Linoge, you simply can't expect that route to provide parking spaces (free or otherwise) in perpetuity. Look at the proliferation of Red Routes in London over the past few years-more and more stopping/parking restrictions to help the traffic move. The fact is that bus stops have been too small for years in Dublin-leading to offside loading and other dangerous practices which put passengers at risk. In this day ad age of access for disabled folks/babies buggies the bus simply MUST be able to get fully parallel to the kerb to enable it to kneel safely. If an area has a lot of on-street parking then the bus stop has to be longer than in an area where no such parking takes place. I'm not a bus or HGV driver but I'd challenge you to parallel park a double decker bus between two cars in a space the exact length of that bus (or even a good bit longer!), and remember-the bus can't reverse parallel park-it has to get parallel to the kerb by driving forwards at all times and they may be future proofing the stop to take two or more buses at the same time, further increasing the length of the required stop.

John R · 20-06-2006 02:00AM

Victor wrote:

I took a look at it this morning. That was me goose-stepping up the road outside your bedroom at 07:30. :DThis would appear to about right.

100 posts a day and enough spare time to stalk posters, I'm truly impressed.

If it is around 50 feet then that is hardly the 3 bus lengths the OP was suggesting. A typical city bus is around 35 feet long so the stop is a bus and a half long, hardly excessive considering it is inset from parked cars.

The more modern practice of having stops that jut out past obstructions into the street are better and can be shorter but people really object to them.

The picture Linogue posted of the stop on the opposite side is a perfect illustration of a bad bus stop. A pole in the pavement surronded by parked cars. How the hell is the bus supposed to get near the pavement for infirm or disabled passengers to get on?

Victor · 20-06-2006 02:09AM

John R wrote:

The picture Linogue posted of the stop on the opposite side is a perfect illustration of a bad bus stop. A pole in the pavement surronded by parked cars. How the hell is the bus supposed to get near the pavement for infirm or disabled passengers to get on?

Actually there is a second stop on that side of the road, only a little further down outside the post office, but again it suffers from illegal parking (as opposed to just being unmarked), as do the adjacent wheelchair spaces.

Super Sized Bus Stop - Rathmines Rd Upper

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