Union Presence on Boards

MatthewVII · 21-11-2006 05:13PM #1

Is it just me or has UCDSU presence on boards.ie ballooned this year? Back when i started two years ago they were a minority but nowadays there's a good healthy representation of the union. I wonder what political forces have caused this shift?

pigeonbutler · 21-11-2006 05:27PM

It's more like the Boards presence on the Union has ballooned! Also numbers involved in the Union have increased dramatically. It's for the better. More people involved means it'll be more representative.

Jonny Arson · 21-11-2006 05:40PM

You're right, it is very ''hackery'' around here these days. It's a good thing in a way because we can have more informative open discussions about many union related aspects or educational aspects. On the down side, i think the forum has become more hostile particularly over issues like Rossport etc. where it's maybe 3 or 4 posters writing essays in repsonse to each other throughout the entire thread which does come across as intimidating and annoying for non-hacks like myself, nothing really wrong with that because people are passionate but some things get taken waaay to serious

tintinr35 · 21-11-2006 05:44PM

maybe they realised newswire is just a pile of bollox

abelard · 21-11-2006 06:02PM

I think when a small few started talking about union issues, it was inevitable that some more people would naturally become more interested in them, while some people would just start to get p1ssed off.

Thus while union resence has increased, I'd imagine there is a stronger "anti-union" sentiment too? Maybe I'm not around here long enough to justify that, but it's just what I kind of thought.

Stabshauptmann · 21-11-2006 06:36PM

Ive been on boards a few years now, and I think it was all the union threads here that made me get involved in the union.

Also there is the link between the type of person who uses internet boards and the type of person who would be intereste by something like a students union.

And lastly there has been a lot of existing SU posters telling their friends about boards

Stabshauptmann · 21-11-2006 06:37PM

For the record how many posters on boards are SU councillors

Stepherunie · 21-11-2006 06:48PM

Head count someone in the su affiliation thread? I'm too tired to do it I'm afraid.

And Yeah i think it's partly people telling people about boards. I know I've got one person posting here more as a result of my talk.

gubbie · 21-11-2006 07:50PM

Ya Dajaffa got me here, blame her

Sangre · 21-11-2006 10:59PM

Kaptain Redeye wrote:

Also there is the link between the type of person who uses internet boards and the type of person who would be intereste by something like a students union.

Eh?

Stereotypical internet recluse vs. stereotypical loud mouthed hack?

Riamfada · 21-11-2006 11:02PM

It is a bit OTT? Possible on Newswire. I fear the UCD forum will have a repeat of past events

Stepherunie · 21-11-2006 11:33PM

I sincerely hope that this forum doesn't become like the newswire. At the moment I think we have a nice enough balance. We have our Union threads but at the same time we still have threads that are just about helping students find out info or giving them guidance and even the odd spammy thread.

I think it's up to us all to ensure that the forum is not overrun by Union issues. Yes representation has increased dramatically on the SU Council this year and the SU in general seems more active or knowledge of it's work is more in the public domain this year in comparison to others and this will naturally lead to greater discussion but at the same time it's nice for that politics to constantly overrun every aspect of this forum and college life in general.

Well that's my thinking at least.

gubbie · 21-11-2006 11:41PM

Dam I wish MatthewVII was on council... then we'd have something good to look forward to every fortnight;)

abelard · 22-11-2006 10:06AM

Grimes wrote:

It is a bit OTT? Possible on Newswire. I fear the UCD forum will have a repeat of past events

I'm thinking the same

gubbie wrote:

Dam I wish MatthewVII was on council... then we'd have something good to look forward to every fortnight

soon, gubbs, soon...

panda100 · 22-11-2006 10:53AM

Kaptain Redeye wrote:

Ive been on boards a few years now, and I think it was all the union threads here that made me get involved in the union.

A few people have said this to me too.

I can actually pinpoint the actually thread that turned this into a union breeding ground. It was two years ago (I think) with the thread about the union paying for that protesters fee's. Many people from the union heared that a big argument had escalated on this website boards.ie over the payment of these fee's and that was the first time many hacks heared about this site.

I remember the days when it was just me and red alert who spoke of union matters.

Riamfada · 22-11-2006 11:02AM

panda100 wrote:

I remember the days when it was just me and red alert who spoke of union matters.

I remember the days where I could go 2 mins without somone mentioning the Union to me on the interweb or in RL.

Good Times.

I think that Union has just become fad of the month, the "cool thing do to" for alot of people.

Stabshauptmann · 22-11-2006 11:04AM

Sangre wrote:

Eh?

Stereotypical internet recluse vs. stereotypical loud mouthed hack?

Only one or two posters on this board would be recluses in my opinion. TBH, many of us have either our names in our handles or links to us in real life in our sigs.
Many of us are invloved in societies and sports club (and the union).

No I think the ppl who post on this board do so to keep up to date on UCD happenings, not to avoid them. But thats just an opinion

abelard · 22-11-2006 11:06AM

Grimes wrote:

"cool thing do to"

I can honestly say that's the first time I've heard that particular phrase used in reference to the SU. ¬_¬

Riamfada · 22-11-2006 11:09AM

abelard wrote:

I can honestly say that's the first time I've heard that particular phrase used in reference to the SU. ¬_¬

I just see some people who go for class rep because their mates go for it. I some people who attend to their class rep duties but simply use the position to get on council . (I said some, not all) .

panda100 · 22-11-2006 11:09AM

Grimes wrote:

I remember the days where I could go 2 mins without somone mentioning the Union to me on the interweb or in RL.

Good Times.

I think that Union has just become fad of the month, the "cool thing do to" for alot of people.

Its not so much a prob for me cos I dont hang out with anyone from the union (they smell:D ) and none of my mates now about it.Its quite cool actually cos its like my alternate life that no one knows about.

pretty*monster · 22-11-2006 11:13AM

Grimes wrote:

I just see some people who go for class rep because their mates go for it. I some people who attend to their class rep duties but simply use the position to get on council . (I said some, not all) .

But being on council is the worst part of being a class rep!
It's all about getting on the programme board. Now that's cool :cool:

j/k

I have no idea why so many boards users are involved in the union.

panda100 · 22-11-2006 11:14AM

Grimes wrote:

I just see some people who go for class rep because their mates go for it. I some people who attend to their class rep duties but simply use the position to get on council . (I said some, not all) .

Oh yes I agree with this. A lot of people on council have all their best mates with them on council. Its like all my friends have started playing soccer with the mater on a tuesday so I head along to cos I dont want to miss out on the craic. I can see a lot of this in the union within certain groups.

Riamfada · 22-11-2006 11:18AM

panda100 wrote:

I can see a lot of this in the union within certain groups.

And now Boardsies..

The hacks have newswire , keep it there in my opinion .

Riamfada · 22-11-2006 11:21AM

oh and while im here I have a beef with council.

I do second Archaeology, apparently thats in the constituency of my class rep who is in The History of Art or something, nice girl but she never comes near the Arch classes or organises anything because she dosnt know / care about us. And thats about 100 people. Wtf?

I wana be class rep .... to organise part...ie.....s... **** it I want on council to see what all the hueha is

pretty*monster · 22-11-2006 11:25AM

Grimes wrote:

The hacks have newswire , keep it there in my opinion .

It's not nice to call people hacks.

And also, up until motions from council started being posted here (which is allowed by the mods, yeah?) it was almost always non-ucdsu heads who's bring up the union. So you can't really blame 'our' presence here for the amount of talk about the union.

Riamfada · 22-11-2006 11:51AM

Ah Kate ! I wasnt refering to you !

Hack is the term for everyone who is involved in the SU right? Its in the survival guide, are we going to have a repeat of the traveller thread where people go way too overboard about a miscommunication and hold it against me for the rest of eternity?

Well i dont post on them but is there a need for the Council motion threads on this forum ? The way I see it is there are two forums, one private (this one) and the SU one. Why cant the "people expressely involved in the activities of the union on a daily basis who represent classes and attend council?" ie Hacks post there along with all non-hacks who want to comment on it ? Just an idea is all. Dont go shooting the messenger.

I mean its not that it bothers me that much...or at all... but the motions are available on newswire. Why double post them here. I still think it will end badly as happened before on this forum... Lest we not add another organisation to the list of names of which we do not speak.

pretty*monster · 22-11-2006 11:54AM

Grimes wrote:

Ah Kate ! I wasnt refering to you !

Hack is the term for everyone who is involved in the SU right? Its in the survival guide, are we going to have a repeat of the traveller thread where people go way too overboard about a miscommunication and hold it against me for the rest of eternity?

No, we won't. I was just telling you it wasn't a nice word. You can still use it and I won';t hold it against you (not for eternity at anyrate). It doesn't bother me terribly but it's got connoctations that I don't care for.

Grimes wrote:

Well i dont post on them but is there a need for the Council motion threads on this forum ? The way I see it is there are two forums, one private (this one) and the SU one. Why cant the "people expressely involved in the activities of the union on a daily basis who represent classes and attend council?" ie Hacks post there along with all non-hacks who want to comment on it ? Just an idea is all. Dont go shooting the messenger.

Oh I agree, I think there's absolutly no point in posting the motions here.

Riamfada · 22-11-2006 12:24PM

pretty*monster wrote:

Oh I agree, I think there's absolutly no point in posting the motions here.

I move for a Charter edit !

Blush_01 · 22-11-2006 12:24PM

I disagree. It's the UCD board, not the "everything to do with UCD except the SU" board. If you don't like it, don't open the thread that says SU on it in CAPITAL LETTERS. I dislike newswire (layout, attitude etc.) and though I have (had at any rate) an account on newswire, I don't post there. I do post here, and feel that discussion of the issues here is as relevant as it is in Hackville.

humbert · 22-11-2006 12:28PM

I think this place has become a sort of newswire lite, for the newbies that aren't ready to dive right into hardcore hackville.

EDIT: haha blush used hackville too!

Riamfada · 22-11-2006 12:38PM

Okay im going to be a little Grimes for everyone and hit the sterotypical comments and probably offend everyone. If so im sorry and dont take it so serious.

I get the impression that boards is forming a new clique? The SU clique? mmmm perhaps perhaps perhaps? No takers?

Blush_01 · 22-11-2006 12:40PM

Maybe there is an SU clique forming. I wouldn't see myself as being part of it, but I do like to have the opportunity to give my 2c on SU related issues here (in the appropriate threads). Am I the weird loner who stands outside the clique looking in? No, don't answer that!

Riamfada · 22-11-2006 12:42PM

Just personally Id rather people give their 2cents on the SU council meetings on the SU forum.

Love you though Blush

singingstranger · 22-11-2006 02:13PM

Grimes wrote:

Just personally Id rather people give their 2cents on the SU council meetings on the SU forum.

Love you though Blush

Well, I did check with Hulla first before posting the motions up on a thread and he was quite happy with the idea. It seemed that most people's gripes with the Union revolved around not knowing what was happening - and then giving out about money being given to certain causes, etc, when it was too late to do anything about it. As much as it might seem it's overrunning it at least more people than ever take an active interest in where their money's going now.

And the idea of an SU clique? Frankly I'm offended that anyone who chooses to be a more active member of UCDSU than another needs to be tagged. We're just regular students, people.

Riamfada · 22-11-2006 02:19PM

singingstranger wrote:

And the idea of an SU clique? Frankly I'm offended that anyone who chooses to be a more active member of UCDSU than another needs to be tagged. We're just regular students, people.

Not really, some people in the SU in my opinion act above everyone else with an inflated sense of self importance.

More active member of UCDSU is a funny way to describe these people. And Gavin, the option is there on Newsire to look at anything . All us plebs have to do is click the link. Not have it reposted here . IMO

Sangre · 22-11-2006 02:24PM

singingstranger wrote:

And the idea of an SU clique? Frankly I'm offended that anyone who chooses to be a more active member of UCDSU than another needs to be tagged. We're just regular students, people.

Just....rofl.

Riamfada · 22-11-2006 02:26PM

Shock horror ... grimes and sangre appear to be on the same side .

He's right Singingstranger..

singingstranger · 22-11-2006 02:27PM

Sangre wrote:

Just....rofl.

Christ, if that's the attitude of people if we try and let them know what's happening in the Union then forget it, I'm not bothering any more.

/Gavan throws in towel

pretty*monster · 22-11-2006 02:27PM

Grimes wrote:

Not really, some people in the SU in my opinion act above everyone else with an inflated sense of self importance.

Yeah, but that's true of all student activities. Some members of L&H and Law Soc for example walk around like they own the place, others are just working hard at something they enjoy... the same is true of most things. In all walks of life there are people with their feet on the ground and there are plonkers.

*edit*
And Gav's right, we are just regular students, I don't know why that's funny.

cast_iron · 22-11-2006 02:32PM

Grimes wrote:

Just personally Id rather people give their 2cents on the SU council meetings on the SU forum.

Like Podge and Rodge said last night (except in their usual vulgar manner) - if you don't like it, don't watch it.
There's not that many SU threads here, and the ones that do pop up are clearly named.

Sangre · 22-11-2006 02:36PM

singingstranger wrote:

Christ, if that's the attitude of people if we try and let them know what's happening in the Union then forget it, I'm not bothering any more.

/Gavan throws in towel

I'm not sure why you're so shocked. The student body has never regarded those actively involved in the SU as 'regular students'...

humbert · 22-11-2006 02:36PM

singingstranger wrote:

Christ, if that's the attitude of people if we try and let them know what's happening in the Union then forget it, I'm not bothering any more.

/Gavan throws in towel

If you're not willing to accept that some people are very contented not to care about the union and would prefer not to be bothered by it you're going to be disappointed often. Simply put it's not as important to everyone else as it is to you.

Sangre · 22-11-2006 02:38PM

But the SU is a global force and can help make the world a better place for you!

singingstranger · 22-11-2006 02:42PM

Sangre wrote:

I'm not sure why you're so shocked. The student body has never regarded those actively involved in the SU as 'regular students'...

*edit: I'd go on about affording people respect and trying to be open-minded about the Union but it'd be off-topic. Sangre, you're the mod in charge; if you don't want the motions threaded any more just say the word.

pretty*monster · 22-11-2006 02:44PM

Sangre wrote:

I'm not sure why you're so shocked. The student body has never regarded those actively involved in the SU as 'regular students'...

And they must be right so. Here I was thinking I was a regular student but actually I'm a three headed alien from the planet zog :rolleyes:

Riamfada · 22-11-2006 02:45PM

Sangre wrote:

But the SU is a global force and can help make the world a better place for you!

With the exception of the top brass this year ... its pretty bad as a clique. I hate going along that corridor because I always get the "who the **** are you " looks off people along it.People actually ahve stopped their conversations and watched me to see what i was doing there ! With the exception as I said of the toplads and lady.

Rumors of who is running for positions next year make me cry and fear the destruction of everything good in the world. Im not naming names.
ps: im not refering to the reps who want to make a difference but the reps who want to increase their social circle with their buds ! !

Sangre · 22-11-2006 02:52PM

singingstranger wrote:

*edit: I'd go on about affording people respect and trying to be open-minded about the Union but it'd be off-topic. Sangre, you're the mod in charge; if you don't want the motions threaded any more just say the word.

Just because the SU isn't my thing doesn't mean I can't see that it means a lot to others in UCD.

Its just not my bag baby.

Sangre · 22-11-2006 02:53PM

pretty*monster wrote:

And they must be right so. Here I was thinking I was a regular student but actually I'm a three headed alien from the planet zog :rolleyes:

Oh, I get it. The smilie is there to indicate you were being 'sarcastic'....funneh.

singingstranger · 22-11-2006 03:18PM

Right, well if the bigger weight of public opinion is that there's too much of an influx of hacktalk™ then there's probably two solutions:
1) UCDSU sub-forum (yeah, right...)
2) Having a locked motions thread, one for the year, where they're posted if people want to read them and can easily be ignored if they don't.
/puts ball in Sangre's and Crash_000's court

Side note, at the very obvious risk of going blatantly off topic and dragging it into one of those threads, what does everyone think UCDSU can do to change this image that people seem to have of it being run by a pack of cliquish inhuman freaks?

Riamfada · 22-11-2006 03:23PM

singingstranger wrote:

can do to change this image that people seem to have of it being run by a pack of cliquish inhuman freaks?

Ran by? No. Infested with yes.

Was there an option three. Keep it on newswire and USDCU boards ?

Sangre · 22-11-2006 03:23PM

I have no problems with the current setup of motions threads, in fact the new thread for each session keeps it pretty manageable and on topic.

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