Cocaine and the middle classes.....hype?

Tha Gopher · 17-01-2007 07:29PM #1

On the front of the Herald this evening there was what seems to have become the medias biggest preoccupation- middle class people doing coke (article was about some media type who OD`d on the stuff). Only this Sunday I was reading the Sunday Indo (brutal, poorly written out of touch ad filled Buy and Sell paper I know, but there was nothing else going), and again, stories about the middle class and their taste for the white.

It got me wondering, is it all hype? Ill be the first to admit the country is awash with coke, but the papers seem hell bent on convincing us all that our bosses, our college lecturers, our former school teachers, the Gardai, pretty much any respected position, is on the sniff. Is it bollocks? In my view use seems much more common in working class areas (from where Im from). Id know a fair few D4 types from work, friends etc, and while Ive no doubt a large amount have probably tried it on one or two occasions, from interacting with these people I get the impression most of them wouldnt have the blindest clue where to get some fast even if they wanted it. Personally I havent used the stuff in months, primarily because I cant see the hype surrounding it, its very badly cut and a very average high. My mate lives in an apartment block in a fairly well heeled part of town and Ive met the neighbours numerous times, students mainly. tbh I would wrack my brains to think of one girl there who would touch the stuff, compared to my locale where it would be hard to think of many girls who hadnt tried it (though not necessarily regular users) . Even when Im out, Id notice that when in the likes of Spirit etc a load of people coming out of the jacks would be itching their nose, whereas in clubs that are known for either a student or more upmarket clientele you would see none of it. Whilst I would say by now a majority of young men have tried the stuff, for women Id say the gap between working class and middle class users is greater.

Opinions?

dr.bollocko · 17-01-2007 07:35PM

Fecking expensive ****e pervading at the moment. I really dont get it, buzz vz. Price has my consumer senses tingling.
Oh no wait... that doesnt sound good....

randylonghorn · 17-01-2007 08:21PM

I'd say there's a fair bit of hype, but it seems much more common than a few years back. For example, we were sitting beside a bunch of guys in a pub just recently, and judging by the (fairly loud) conversation they and their friends had stuffed a fair bit up their noses over the Christmas / New Year (these were student / working part-time / fairly well heeled types). And yes, now that you mention it, there was plenty of talk about the gf's, but no great mention of them using, tho' they didn't seem to object to the guys doing so.

I actually wonder if the ups and downs in availability of hash over the last while have encouraged people to get into it? Don't really know, just seems possible. If so, it doesn't say much for the sense of those responsible for enforcing the law in this country (big surprise!).

whiskeyman · 17-01-2007 08:37PM

The Vintners Assoc. / publicians / off licences / beer co.s etc.. must be loving all the coverage the cocaine issue is getting though.
Think about it... it's being vilified for more than (our favourite drug of choice) alcohol at the moment, and which drug do you really think is responsible for more deaths / hospitial admissions yearly?
If I were an lobbyist on the alcohol fence, I'd be toasting a job going well!

Civilian_Target · 17-01-2007 08:50PM

All The Cool Kids Are Doing Coke
I wish I was cool

Rb · 17-01-2007 08:55PM

Tha Gopher wrote:

Even when Im out, Id notice that when in the likes of Spirit etc a load of people coming out of the jacks would be itching their nose, whereas in clubs that are known for either a student or more upmarket clientele you would see none of it.

I've found the opposite tbh, in the more upmarket bars I've went to I've found a much larger presence of coke than anywhere else. I do agree about the students though, theres nothing to worry about there, a few are dabbling but its nowhere near the scale that the working professionals are using it.

There is an unbelievable demand for coke at the moment, I don't know why considering the coke in this country is generally pretty shíte but theres an awful, awful lot of people doing it.

Whats creating the demand I don't know, but its there and I can't see it going away any time soon.

Terry · 17-01-2007 08:56PM

most over-rated drug ever.
I don't know many middle class people, but those i do know are using it on a regular basis and a lot of the local dealers would be from middle class families.
as for us lower class scum, you can walk into any pub in Leixlip village on any night of the week and be assured that someone is doing coke. I'm sure the same can be said for most other suburban towns.

ntlbell · 17-01-2007 09:01PM

Tha Gopher wrote:

On the front of the Herald this evening there was what seems to have become the medias biggest preoccupation- middle class people doing coke (article was about some media type who OD`d on the stuff). Only this Sunday I was reading the Sunday Indo (brutal, poorly written out of touch ad filled Buy and Sell paper I know, but there was nothing else going), and again, stories about the middle class and their taste for the white.

It got me wondering, is it all hype? Ill be the first to admit the country is awash with coke, but the papers seem hell bent on convincing us all that our bosses, our college lecturers, our former school teachers, the Gardai, pretty much any respected position, is on the sniff. Is it bollocks? In my view use seems much more common in working class areas (from where Im from). Id know a fair few D4 types from work, friends etc, and while Ive no doubt a large amount have probably tried it on one or two occasions, from interacting with these people I get the impression most of them wouldnt have the blindest clue where to get some fast even if they wanted it. Personally I havent used the stuff in months, primarily because I cant see the hype surrounding it, its very badly cut and a very average high. My mate lives in an apartment block in a fairly well heeled part of town and Ive met the neighbours numerous times, students mainly. tbh I would wrack my brains to think of one girl there who would touch the stuff, compared to my locale where it would be hard to think of many girls who hadnt tried it (though not necessarily regular users) . Even when Im out, Id notice that when in the likes of Spirit etc a load of people coming out of the jacks would be itching their nose, whereas in clubs that are known for either a student or more upmarket clientele you would see none of it. Whilst I would say by now a majority of young men have tried the stuff, for women Id say the gap between working class and middle class users is greater.

Opinions?

I'm not really sure where to start.

You openly admit the country is a wash with cocaine.

You claim that the very people who can't afford to do it are the biggest users.

You then claim the moronic D4 types wouldn't know where to find it.

I went for a weekend away with a large group from work mostly middle/upper managment.

I was pretty shocked at some of the people who I assumed wouldn't as much as take a toke of a spliff with their head buried in a mirror like they were auditioning for a new scarface.

Your ideals on what makes a person working class is probably a pretty old one even tho you might be fairly young.

Times are changing, joxer isn't working class anymore. he owns a friggin roofing company and has 20 polish lads doing the work while he tears the nose off himself in a big bag of snow.

When I was in my teens all the hype was all about LCD and E and how whole country was out at some ilegal rave dropping E's like smarties and everyone including your boss was apprently coming into work with no eye brows after chewing them off.

They did something similar last year where they tested a few hundred toilets around the country for traces of cocaine and apparently 90% of toilets had actually traces of coke on them.

the whole thing is nonsense tbh.

brianthebard · 17-01-2007 10:03PM

rb_ie wrote:

I've found the opposite tbh, in the more upmarket bars I've went to I've found a much larger presence of coke than anywhere else. I do agree about the students though, theres nothing to worry about there, a few are dabbling but its nowhere near the scale that the working professionals are using it.

*Ahem* speaking as a poor student, your right. Student use of coke is pretty minisule I imagine, mostly because of the price. But I know a good few people who smoke weed on a regular basis(who doesn't) but there isn't the same type of knowledge or "publicity" for want of a better word, about coke. The only guys I know who did coke on a semi-regular basis was a group of scumbags who were living with me and a couple of friends last year.:(
If anything were to put me off drugs, it was this group of low-life scum-sucking ignorant unintelligible fucks.

Catari Jaguar · 17-01-2007 10:20PM

I thought it went:

Hash for wasters
E for ravers
Heroin for dirty knacks
Coke for the sophisticates of modern Ireland? it's the classiest or something stupid like that.

I think the country is awash with it. I know at least 15 people who regularly use it that I KNOW of, ONE was a skobe. The rest weren't. I mean, if the drug only became popular when Ireland got money, it would be logical to say that people with money are using it???

It's known that many proffesional and respectable people e.g. doctors, TDs, lawyers use it. And coke driving has become a rival to replace drink driving.

Of course skobes use it too. But middle upper class DEFINITELY do.

ntlbell · 17-01-2007 10:34PM

Lil Kitten wrote:

I thought it went:

Hash for wasters
E for ravers
Heroin for dirty knacks
Coke for the sophisticates of modern Ireland? it's the classiest or something stupid like that.

That's probably because you're someone who likes to put people in little boxes.
Yes dirty knackers are the _only_ people who ever take heroin.....sigh.

I thought when the young classical musical student in oxford university died of a heroin overdose people would wake up and realise it's a lot more than just "dirty knackers"

Goth's sk8or gr8or's and various other human beings around the world have also been known to take E.... and probably every other sterotype your little mind can think of.

but what the hell we'll just put them all in the "raver" box it's easier!

brianthebard · 17-01-2007 10:41PM

Lil Kitten wrote:

I think the country is awash with it. I know at least 15 people who regularly use it that I KNOW of, ONE was a skobe. The rest weren't. I mean, if the drug only became popular when Ireland got money, it would be logical to say that people with money are using it?

Um, not really. Popularity goes in cycles, even in drugs. Its not simply enough to say that we can afford coke now so its here. The fact that people can afford to waste X amount of money on drugs is what makes them that expensive, along with other factors like the amount on the market, supply/demand, etc,etc.

JC 2K3 · 17-01-2007 10:50PM

Lil Kitten wrote:

And coke driving has become a rival to replace drink driving.

Where'd you hear that? Considering a coke high lasts about 20 mins I very much doubt that.

Victor · 17-01-2007 10:51PM

Tha Gopher wrote:

On the front of the Herald this evening there was what seems to have become the medias biggest preoccupation- middle class people doing coke (article was about some media type who OD`d on the stuff).

Hang on. Journalists are "middle class .... media type" aren't they?

Rb · 17-01-2007 10:57PM

Victor wrote:

Hang on. Journalists are "middle class .... media type" aren't they?

Aye, speaking from first hand experience most likely

nesf · 17-01-2007 10:59PM

Victor wrote:

Hang on. Journalists are "middle class .... media type" aren't they?

There's the middle class and the 'middle class' nowadays or something.

Ronan|Raven · 17-01-2007 11:14PM

99% of it is cut to **** with any white powder from a -z. Oh and there are confirmed instances of traces of caustic soda in some batches just FYI.

User45701 · 18-01-2007 12:33AM

randylonghorn wrote:

I actually wonder if the ups and downs in availability of hash over the last while have encouraged people to get into it? Don't really know, just seems possible. If so, it doesn't say much for the sense of those responsible for enforcing the law in this country (big surprise!).

Id say your right on that one id say more than one has started more sniff if they cant get there smoke

\m/_(>_<)_\m/ · 18-01-2007 07:29AM

julep wrote:

I don't know many middle class people, but those i do know are using it on a regular basis and a lot of the local dealers would be from middle class families.
as for us lower class scum, you can walk into any pub in Leixlip village on any night of the week and be assured that someone is doing coke. I'm sure the same can be said for most other suburban towns.

i afraid i have to agree,
same down here in cork.

phantom_lord · 18-01-2007 08:40AM

ntlbell wrote:

I went for a weekend away with a large group from work mostly middle/upper managment.

I was pretty shocked at some of the people who I assumed wouldn't as much as take a toke of a spliff with their head buried in a mirror like they were auditioning for a new scarface.

Was this a "Fear and loathing in las vegas" type of office weekend away....?

Sleepy · 18-01-2007 09:57AM

Of for god's sake, not everything is to do with 'class'. And let's face it, the old definitions of class hardly hold true any more. Like ntlbell says, the guys who used to be considered 'working class' i.e. tradesmen are now amongst the highest earners in society.

Coke's freely available sure but I'd hardly say the country is 'awash' with it outside of a few pretty moronic circles tbh. How many people do you know that smoke grass/hash regularly? Compare that to the number of people you know who do coke regularly. It's a fairly high ratio, isn't it?

Hollywood has made cocaine glamourous so people with no style of their own will hoover it up their noses to try and feel glamourous too, regardless of whether they're Jacintha from the 'mun or Fiachra from Dalkey. This same 'glamour' prompts journalists to write about it because they know this little white powder captures people's imaginations and will sell papers.

Whiskeyman makes a good point. Have you noticed how many of the newspaper reports quote the vintners association? Deflecting attention away from the effects of the drugs they sell by hyping usage of another illegal narcotic is a great PR move imho.

hottstuff · 18-01-2007 10:41AM

I prefer Pepsi , myself.

On a serious note.
This seems to be the drug of choice for drive-by shooters and single mother hitmen.

Terry · 18-01-2007 10:50AM

Sleepy wrote:

Coke's freely available sure but I'd hardly say the country is 'awash' with it outside of a few pretty moronic circles tbh. How many people do you know that smoke grass/hash regularly? Compare that to the number of people you know who do coke regularly. It's a fairly high ratio, isn't it?

not amongst the people i know.
I can safely say that i know more regular coke user than hash users and more coke dealers than hash dealers.
drug dealers have no morals and there is more money to be made by dealing coke. the demand is there for coke and i honestly could get coke quicker than hash right now, should i want to.
most of the coke users i know don't go near hash at all. it's just a few beers, 'hey, let's get some coke'and there goes the weekend.

whiskeyman · 18-01-2007 11:23AM

Sleepy wrote:

Have you noticed how many of the newspaper reports quote the vintners association? Deflecting attention away from the effects of the drugs they sell by hyping usage of another illegal narcotic is a great PR move imho.

I'd love to know who funded that test in DCU about the 100% back note study. I wouldn't be surprised if someone from the alcohol fence funded / kicked it off , and may well have supplied the notes!

phantom_lord · 18-01-2007 12:12PM

bah, would it really cost that much to test 45 notes?

Sleepy · 18-01-2007 12:54PM

In fairness, I think any of those banknote studies are highly questionable. Let's look at what probably happens a banknote after it has cocaine snorted through it:

the user pays a cab driver to take him home from whatever party he's at with the note
the cab driver puts the note in his wallet -> contaminating all other notes there
he then lodges these contaminated notes to the bank (or re-circulates them GOTO step2)
the cashier counts the notes -> contaminating his/her hands with traces of cocaine and therefore all other notes he/she touches that day i.e. hundreds of notes.
the cashier places them in his/her drawer -> contaminating all other notes there
the notes go through a note counting machine -> leading to traces of cocaine on any other notes passing through it.
the notes are placed in a pass machine and go back into circulation
...

Waltons · 18-01-2007 01:38PM

Sleepy wrote:

In fairness, I think any of those banknote studies are highly questionable. Let's look at what probably happens a banknote after it has cocaine snorted through it:

the user pays a cab driver to take him home from whatever party he's at with the note

the cab driver puts the note in his wallet -> contaminating all other notes there

he then lodges these contaminated notes to the bank (or re-circulates them GOTO step2)

the cashier counts the notes -> contaminating his/her hands with traces of cocaine and therefore all other notes he/she touches that day i.e. hundreds of notes.

the cashier places them in his/her drawer -> contaminating all other notes there

the notes go through a note counting machine -> leading to traces of cocaine on any other notes passing through it.

the notes are placed in a pass machine and go back into circulation

...

It's been a while since I read the reports on this, but I believe that they did mention that while most of the notes (if not all? Can't remember) had traces of cocaine on them, only a few had high enough levels to have actually been used to snort it.
The cycle you've outlined above is probably what's happening, I'd say. The fact that lots of notes have cocaine on them is a bit immaterial, it's the notes that have very high traces that should be considered moreso.

ScumLord · 18-01-2007 02:05PM

I think this is a load of hype. How do they know? Are the doctors and lawyers going around filling out surveys and telling reporters they do drugs or does a reporter a doctor friend that does it and assumes they all do.

I know their are people out there that just assume everyone under a certain age does all the drugs. When I got arrested for smoke the gossips in the town had me turned into a heroin addict by the next day.

They haven't a clue what people are doing, it's all made up.

thebaz · 18-01-2007 02:33PM

I think the Indo are blowing it all out of proporation -- sure usage has increased -- but if many of the users are like me , theyll get bored trying to chase that first line all night , and blowing a small fortune in doing so -- there are much more meaningfull, worthwhile things to spend cash on , than staying up all night , drinking like a fish and talkin nonsene -- and by the way users are from the upper classes , middle classes ,working class and the marginalised under class -- waste of money whatever class you are from !

ntlbell · 18-01-2007 02:42PM

julep wrote:

not amongst the people i know.
I can safely say that i know more regular coke user than hash users and more coke dealers than hash dealers.
drug dealers have no morals and there is more money to be made by dealing coke. the demand is there for coke and i honestly could get coke quicker than hash right now, should i want to.
most of the coke users i know don't go near hash at all. it's just a few beers, 'hey, let's get some coke'and there goes the weekend.

What's your point exactly?

coke is popular in your circle of friends?

Terry · 18-01-2007 05:54PM

ntlbell wrote:

What's your point exactly?

coke is popular in your circle of friends?

where did i say that these people are my friends?

these are people i know.
I know quite a lot of people socially. that doesn't mean they are my friends.

My point, seeing as you need it made more clear, is that although you might not actually notice it right away, if you look close enough you will see plenty of people under the effects of coke.

Seaneh · 18-01-2007 07:10PM

Coke is everywhere in athlone, no class devide, it started with the types that would have been doing pills and speed about 5 years ago doing it, now it's like I can't go to a party these days without some pleb offering me coke.

chump · 18-01-2007 07:45PM

A few things

the indo is a rag, the herald is a rag

re: strory of 100% notes contaminated
http://taint.org/2007/01/11/133943a.html

"n one 1985 study done by the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration on the money machines in a U.S. Federal Reserve district bank, random samples of $50 and $100 bills revealed that a third to a half of all the currency tested bore traces of cocaine. Moreover, the machines themselves were often found to test positive, meaning that subsequent batches of cash fed through them would also pick up cocaine residue. […] It takes only one bill to contaminate hundreds or even thousands of others, so the number of bills that have actually come into direct contact with the drug trade is far smaller than we might first assume"

the class issue is ridiculous - what is 'middle class', builders, brickies, tradesmen etc. who would historically be regarded as working class, I think because they did physical work for a living - now often earn superior salaries to many professional and public serving employees. So is money the barometer of class.

I personally would view the vast majority of our population as "middle class" , we have a small percentage of poorer people, and small percentage of very wealthy people. In reality every one of us probably has a unique guage for 'class'.

As for coke being everywhere, maybe it is - I couldn't give a fiddlers. Most of my friends and I don't go near the stuff, and it's never been pushed in my face by anyone or anywhere.

rediguana · 18-01-2007 07:50PM

Seaneh wrote:

Coke is everywhere in athlone, no class devide, it started with the types that would have been doing pills and speed about 5 years ago doing it, now it's like I can't go to a party these days without some pleb offering me coke.

I'm originally from Athlone. When I go back there, nobody ever offers me coke, but blokes generally try to start a fight with me (I mean when i go out). There can't be that many morons there - maybe it's the coke??!

Seaneh · 18-01-2007 08:03PM

What age are you?
Actually, whats your name?

rediguana · 18-01-2007 08:08PM

Seaneh wrote:

What age are you?
Actually, whats your name?

I PM'd you.

ChRoMe · 18-01-2007 08:17PM

Personally I dont think that cocaine usage is specific to a "class" so to speak. But I think I can shed a little bit of light of why Ireland is experiencing a increase in usage.

During the early 1990's when ecstasy was very popular prices were around 30 punts a pill (this of course varied between different sitiuations but I believe its a reasonable base price to start with). As its popularity increased through out the 90's and up to around 2002 (give or take a few years) the price steadly decreased. The reasons for the price decreasing are the textbox economic reasons. As populairty of the drug increased so did demand. This raise in demand was met and hence the scarcity of it declined thus driving down the price. If I recall correctly last time I was in Ireland prices for one pill retail (i.e not buying more than 5 or 10) was between 5-7 euro.

Now this was of course greeted happily by users. However it became a double edged sword for a number of reasons. With the supply of the drug increasing and the price being reduced it became less profitable. This of course made its distributors wary of contuining to sell it.

The people selling the drug were faced with a difficult situation they were making far less profit from selling it a few years ago but the same risks were still there. For exame the dealer was making 3-4 euro profit on each pill but as the supply increased this dropped to in some cases less than a euro. The problem is that its the same high risk activity (distributing a class A drug) but the profit was declining.

So people's attitude went like this. Why am I taking all this risk selling pills that are making me less than a euro profit on each one when its a class A drug. I should really start dealing coke because I've allready exposed myself to the risk involved of selling a class A drug and it will make more money.

One more notable point to add is that cocaine (and other drugs sold in powder form) are the easyist to step on (adding a extra substance to increase the volume).

The quality of cocaine in Ireland is extremely low. This along with the other point mentioned above add to its ability to produce more profits.

Terry · 18-01-2007 08:50PM

the lack of quality is doubtless. i read somewhere a few months back that the gardai made a statement that was something along the lines of 'cocaine in Ireland is about 15% pure'.
whether that is true or not is debatable, but you have to remember that by the time the end user gets it, the coke has already passed through several countries and several dealers who each cut it down to make more money.
now i am aware that 100% pure coke will kill you, but 15% is still well and truly cut coke. it's crap anyway. do a line, babble for 15 minutes while waiting for an opportunity to do another line and repeat until the coke has run out. then go to bed and feel like crap for a couple of days.

ntlbell · 18-01-2007 09:18PM

julep wrote:

where did i say that these people are my friends?

these are people i know.
I know quite a lot of people socially. that doesn't mean they are my friends.

My point, seeing as you need it made more clear, is that although you might not actually notice it right away, if you look close enough you will see plenty of people under the effects of coke.

Sorry yes I'm sure the above point was very clear in a story of how people you know go for a drink and get some coke and more people you know take coke than smoke dope obviously translates to if you examine people you can clearly see from the nonsense coming out of their mouth they're really just up to their eyes in coke.

I'm sure socially you're very popular and the people you know is a clear indication of what's going on in the rest of country.

The practicalties never mind the price make it very hard to be doing coke on a daily basis, to say coke use out weigh's regular smokers is just nonsense.

Naked Lepper · 18-01-2007 09:29PM

i hate coke, its a ****e waste of money

people need to stop taking coke and start taking psychedelics and the world WILL be a far far better place

not going to happen ever though.

JC 2K3 · 18-01-2007 09:38PM

Naked Lepper wrote:

people need to stop taking coke and start taking psychedelics and the world WILL be a far far better place

Heh, yeah...

Unfortunately, distorting your perception and spacing out for a couple of hours is not most people's idea of fun. I can't see psychedelics ever becoming popular considering most drug users take them for social reasons.

ntlbell · 18-01-2007 09:51PM

JC 2K3 wrote:

Heh, yeah...

Unfortunately, distorting your perception and spacing out for a couple of hours is not most people's idea of fun. I can't see psychedelics ever becoming popular considering most drug users take them for social reasons.

You obviosuly missed a lot of the late 80's and 90's

Ahh microdot's....

ChRoMe · 18-01-2007 10:24PM

julep wrote:

now i am aware that 100% pure coke will kill you

Huh?? Where did you get that idea. I know several people who are living proof that thats not the case.

JC 2K3 wrote:

Unfortunately, distorting your perception and spacing out for a couple of hours is not most people's idea of fun. I can't see psychedelics ever becoming popular considering most drug users take them for social reasons.

I take from this post you have never actually taken a psychedelic drug. If you had you would know its far from unsociable. Furthermore I know loads of people who would disagree with this statement that it isint a lot of peoples idea of fun

JC 2K3 · 18-01-2007 10:45PM

ChRoMe wrote:

I take from this post you have never actually taken a psychedelic drug. If you had you would know its far from unsociable. Furthermore I know loads of people who would disagree with this statement that it isint a lot of peoples idea of fun

I've only taken Salvia, so I guess that means I've never taken a "sociable psychedelic".(I'm young and have many substances on my to do list, however) I really just meant "sociable" in the pub/club sense.

Rb · 18-01-2007 11:00PM

JC 2K3 wrote:

I've only taken Salvia, so I guess that means I've never taken a "sociable psychedelic".(I'm young and have many substances on my to do list, however) I really just meant "sociable" in the pub/club sense.

Ah yeah, a lot of people wouldn't being doing shrooms/acid/salvia etc and wandering into a pub or club, but there are vast amounts of people who'll get a good group of friends together in their house or up the mountains and do some psychadelics, which is quite sociable. Though, if you're going to give that a shot, make sure theres one or two who stay sober in case something happens.

Psychadelics aren't used half as regularly as other drugs, there'll be a few who'll go on trips often when sitting around with friends, but nothing near the extent that people are doing coke (which isn't even near the amount of people using cannabis on a regular basis).

I'd hope people who are finding it hard to get some smoke at the moment aren't turning to coke. Though the coke here is shíte, using it regularly will only lead to a nasty addiction thats extremely hard to kick. Though, as the years progress, the number of coke addicts (in particular in Dublin) is going to rise heavily, with it being viewed as somewhat a metropolitan or "cool" drug amongst people with a bit of disposable income.

However, the amount of people using it compared to the amount of people smoking cannabis on a regular basis is tiny, so I don't think its a huge problem in this city (or country) just yet.

phantom_lord · 18-01-2007 11:31PM

rb_ie wrote:

Psychadelics aren't used half as regularly as other drugs, there'll be a few who'll go on trips often when sitting around with friends, but nothing near the extent that people are doing coke (which isn't even near the amount of people using cannabis on a regular basis).

bah, that's just cause it's almost impossible to find the stuff now, ntl grow up in the good days.

ntlbell · 18-01-2007 11:49PM

phantom_lord wrote:

bah, that's just cause it's almost impossible to find the stuff now, ntl grow up in the good days.

Like most students shane you're just too lazy to look

Actually most students IN THE GOOD AUL DAYS

made the stuff themselves

I remember some dangerous stuff coming out of TCD penny farthing's wow..

phantom_lord · 18-01-2007 11:56PM

ntlbell wrote:

Like most students shane you're just too lazy to look

lol, no

JC 2K3 · 18-01-2007 11:58PM

ntlbell wrote:

Like most students shane you're just too lazy to look

Actually most students IN THE GOOD AUL DAYS

made the stuff themselves

I remember some dangerous stuff coming out of TCD penny farthing's wow..

Stuff like what? I'd imagine even the most experienced of chemists would have difficulty synthesising something complex like LSD(not to mention that the equipment required is hard to get). What other psychedelics can just be "made"? I know quite a few can be extracted from medicines.

Kipperhell · 19-01-2007 09:33AM

ntlbell wrote:

They did something similar last year where they tested a few hundred toilets around the country for traces of cocaine and apparently 90% of toilets had actually traces of coke on them.

This can esily be explained by a few people with the runs and a coke habit

Red Alert · 19-01-2007 09:42AM

I just wouldn't touch coke, hash, e or anything else. The high is artifical, and having a criminal record because of drugs is something that could hold you back whether with immigration or jobs. Wise up!

Cocaine and the middle classes.....hype?

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