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Questions & Answers ~ Election Special

  • 21-05-2007 10:34PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭


    A very good Q&A on now.

    I've been waiting to see Cowan v rabbitte for a while now as I thought this would be the only debate worth watching in this general election. So far it's a very lively show and rabbitte is coming across very well, driving home his points. Of course it's water off a ducks back for Cowan who is his usual charming self. A decent representation from the greens while Mary lou and lovely Liz are taking a back seat and letting Cowan and rabbite go at it. Liz keeps smiling every time Mary says anything, almost in a "ah jasus, look at the poor noob" kind of way but so far it's all about Cowan v rabbitte.

    Rabbitte under pressure at the moment trying to answer "that question".

    The lovely Miriam isn't in the chair but I suppose Liz and Mary will do for eye candy in her absence.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭Badabing


    Brian Cowen is head and shoulders above any of the politicans in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,691 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Cowen is also losing the head tonight :D .
    Agree with the OP - it's a cracking program tonight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 915 ✭✭✭ArthurDent


    Great programme, probably best of election so far. Rabbitte and Cowan great double act!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,730 ✭✭✭✭simu


    Aye, good stuff. Makes up for the snorefest that was Bertie v Enda.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭blast05


    First time i have ever seen Cowen badly rattled. Rabbitte clearly exposed the lie in FF adds in todays papers and overall came out on top. You could almost see the gritted teeth of Cowen when asked how long Berite should remain as Taoiseach if FF get back in ..... his mind scanning back to the Ard Dheis (spel?) among other things no doubt


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭Hugh_C


    Badabing wrote:
    Brian Cowen is head and shoulders above any of the politicans in Ireland.


    You suggesting the poor lad has dandruff?

    :D

    I thought it was intriguing that Pat Rabbitte wouldn't directly answer the question on coalition with the FFers. I think he was hinting that Labout might force his hand and do it but without him as leader. Thursday / Friday is going to be very interesting.

    As regards the performances of the others tonight, thy were all left in the shade of Rabbitte / Cowan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,154 ✭✭✭✭Neil3030


    Almost didn't recognise Liz O'Donnell there, what with all the airbrushing on her poster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭Badabing


    Mary lou was dissapointing tonite all she does is waffle same with covney he was brutal, why didn't fine gael have bruton on the show?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,567 ✭✭✭delta_bravo


    Neil3030 wrote:
    Almost didn't recognise Liz O'Donnell there, what with all the airbrushing on her poster.

    Same thing happened to me when i saw Olivia Mitchell on Tv last week. Her poster picture must be at least 15 years old


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    hughchal wrote:
    I thought it was intriguing that Pat Rabbitte wouldn't directly answer the question on coalition with the FFers. .
    It was always going to be a free for all after the election as to who makes deals with who should either of the partnerships not get a direct majority. I just hope labour insist Bertie steps down so I can collect on my very generous 25-1 shot of Cowan being the next taoiseach.

    Overall I think rabbitte came out of it very well, just edging the win over Cowan. Certificates of attendance are in the post for all the other guests.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭McSandwich


    Badabing wrote:
    Mary lou was dissapointing tonite all she does is waffle same with covney he was brutal, why didn't fine gael have bruton on the show?

    They didn't need him on with Rabbitte in such good form! Liz was useless to, far too busy practicing her smug smile to say anything worthwhile..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭cast_iron


    I thought Cowen did quite well actually. Yes, Rabitte did catch him out on the advert (apparently - I didn't see it).

    Biffo got some good blows against FG (Kenny especially) and was driving home the real election winner for FF - that FG/Labour can't be trusted to handle the economy. He made Rabbitte's figures seem a complete mess, and from what I've seen, he hit the nail on the head with that one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,691 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    Cowen seemed to leave the door open to support from Sinn Fein for the election of Taoiseach without explicitly doing a deal with SF.
    Coveney summarised his position immediately afterwards and Cowen didn't contradict him.

    Maybe an informal FF/SF pact could be on the cards if the numbers fall that way? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭Andrew 83


    Yeah best Q&A in months. Thought Rabbitte was fantastic and Cowen rattled. Pity that show wasn't the one getting all the viewers last Thursday rather than the borefest that developed.


    EDIT: Just in relation to Mary Lou. I thought part of her difficulty was that on a couple of questions she came into the debate after Rabbitte had spoken and seemed to broadly agree with him so didn't really have much to offer in the debate and ended up not getting much time on-camera.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11 Sum1


    clown bag wrote:
    Overall I think rabbitte came out of it very well, just edging the win over Cowan. Certificates of attendance are in the post for all the other guests.

    The was other guests, I thought they were audience members who got prime seats. Thought Rabbitte was impressive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    McSandwich wrote:
    They didn't need him on with Rabbitte in such good form! Liz was useless to, far too busy practicing her smug smile to say anything worthwhile..

    I thought Liz was amusing. It was like Cowen was the king of the playground and she was hiding behind while him hurling insults at the new boys. :)

    Decent show but the Greens guy (I forget his name) and Mary Lou McDonald didn't merit their invites tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭Dirk Gently


    I actually thought the green chappy was the best of the rest after cowan/rabbitte. Didn't get to say much but what he did say he said clear and strong. I'd say Mary lou is probably hanging around Liz's dressing room waiting to jump her when she comes out after Liz spent the whole show smiling at her. I thought the wooden spoon would go to either covney or Liz rather than the Green chap.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,691 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    It's already up on the RTE website - that was quick :eek:.
    http://dynamic.rte.ie/av/230-2250373.smil

    Rabbitte was on fire tonight and Cowen got burned.

    To paraphrase PJ Mara - Rabbitte forensically dismantled Cowen's claims on the alternative coalition and Cowen looked like he was flapping with soundbites and spin.
    Riveting stuff but too late in the campaign to make much impact IMO and only the anoraks really watch Q&A as Richard Bruton said on last week's show :D .
    Liz rolling her eyes while Mary Lou was rattling on with her spiel was funny but Liz also got roasted tonight.

    Eamon Ryan did well too and is a good media performer for the Greens.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭KerranJast


    DeepBlue wrote:
    Liz also got roasted tonight.
    :eek: This is a family board. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,691 ✭✭✭DeepBlue


    KerranJast wrote:
    :eek: This is a family board. :)
    It was a Freudian sl.......no wait........er..........em...........

    /shuffles off knowing there's no way to explain this :o


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Voipjunkie


    DeepBlue wrote:
    Cowen seemed to leave the door open to support from Sinn Fein for the election of Taoiseach without explicitly doing a deal with SF.
    Coveney summarised his position immediately afterwards and Cowen didn't contradict him.

    Maybe an informal FF/SF pact could be on the cards if the numbers fall that way? :confused:


    What would be in that for SF they get to take the **** for bad FF decisions but don't have any say in anything.

    FF would I presume be delighted to take on a junior partner without having to give anything back but I presume the shinners have more sense


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    DeepBlue wrote:
    Rabbitte was on fire tonight and Cowen got burned.

    To paraphrase PJ Mara - Rabbitte forensically dismantled Cowen's claims on the alternative coalition and Cowen looked like he was flapping with soundbites and spin.

    I disagree, Rabbitte came across as being a bit petulant to me at times. He scored well on the ad (what Cowen said was technically true if you want to interpret it a certain way but I doubt it would hold water for most people). His reactions to the poll and the FF/Lab question were a bit all over the place though. I don't think he was "on fire". He is well capable of handling Cowen and O'Donnell though and that was the difference between him and the rest in my opinion.

    His reaction to the poll was a bit "the people obviously are mistakes"/"let them eat cake" for my tastes. Coveney handled the question better I think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    I thought Rabbitte did really well last night. It was funny to see him LOL when Liz suggested the PD's might get 10 seats :p Liz was crap, but pretty hot last night. She seemed afraid of the lads or somethin! :eek: But she had the odd word with Mary Lou (who was also unimpressive). Cowen did quite good alright, made for great viewing to see him vs Pat. The Green fella was good, the FG fella not so much. I'd say Bruton wasn't on cos he's never off that bloody show! He must have his own dressing room in the studio at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Victor Meldrew


    clown bag wrote:

    The lovely Miriam isn't in the chair but I suppose Liz and Mary will do for eye candy in her absence.

    Each to their own, Liz, OK, but Mary.......:eek:


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    DaveMcG wrote:
    I thought Rabbitte did really well last night. It was funny to see him LOL when Liz suggested the PD's might get 10 seats :p Liz was crap, but pretty hot last night. She seemed afraid of the lads or somethin! :eek: But she had the odd word with Mary Lou (who was also unimpressive). Cowen did quite good alright, made for great viewing to see him vs Pat. The Green fella was good, the FG fella not so much. I'd say Bruton wasn't on cos he's never off that bloody show! He must have his own dressing room in the studio at this stage.
    That pretty much sums up my view of it also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,689 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    just watched it rabbite seemed good brian has struck me always as arrogant and short tempered cant see him a next leader of ff but then people said that about bertie

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭redspider


    That was a good debate, but I dont think anyone came out of it with a perfect score.

    Cowen was fighting his corner well, but there is something about his attitude that I dont like. He treats the public in a condescending way and basically is saying that because he/FF are in charge of the purse strings and for 10 years that no-one else has any credibility to do so. If that was the case there would never ever be a change in government. He is pig-headed.

    Rabitte didnt come across that well I thought. He was red-faced, undfer pressure, and some of his points were petulent, he got shouted down by Cowen a lot, and sometimes in debates its s/he who shouts loudest and longest is seen as the winner, alas.

    Liz trotted out the party line with regards to co-location etc, and she harped on at the FG/Lab/SF as being idealogically left, which I presume by corollary means that PD are right-wing facist.

    Coveney ws out of his depth and this was evident with some of his hmms and ha's. Bruton would have been a much better foil.

    Ryan did okay and got his green issues across. His point on the economy is salient, whilst the FF/PD mantra is "its the economy, stupid", with such a position they are in fact treating the electorate as if they are stupid. "the county is awash" with money, we hear time and time again.

    Mary-Lou did put across the SF points quite well. They are not aiming for government this time, and are just trying to increase their mandate. All they have to do is point out the problems in the current system and society, and there are clearly many, and play to their audience and they will get more seats.

    I found Liz O'Donell's response to SF fairly poor tbh, just with facial grudges, etc.

    Overall, a good debate, no winners in my opinion, and more debates like this were needed, with some heavy/ministerial positions.


    Another interesting set of debates are the Cooper & Hobbs ones. I've only caught a couple. These are better in a way because there is a 2-to-1 aspect and its all about Matt and Eddie trying to nail the politician on specifics.

    The problem with Q&A is that John Bowman, as good as he is, isnt able to get the politicians to really answer the questions, so you end up with one side saying one thing, another saying another, a typical political 'discussion' with obfuscation, avoidance, etc, which turns off many viewers. I wonder how many of the 1m or so people that tuned into the FF/FG leaders debate watched Q&A? Much less I would hazard a guess.

    Just a few days to the election now ..... I think the turnout for this one will be quite high, maybe as high as 70-75%.

    Redspider


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32 The White Rose


    Liz trotted out the party line with regards to co-location etc, and she harped on at the FG/Lab/SF as being idealogically left, which I presume by corollary means that PD are right-wing facist.

    Which means FG/Lab/SF are Trotskyist/Leninist/Pol Pot types. Labour and SF are definitely left of centre

    btw I thought that Green guy Ryan was really good which makes up my mind about govt partners. I was going to put Labour 2nd but Rabbite was woeful- bitter and mean-spirited (he prob sees the tanaiste job going up in smoke)


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    redspider wrote:
    I found Liz O'Donell's response to SF fairly poor tbh, just with facial grudges, etc.
    That may be so but I'd imagine there were a lot of people watching that were making similar facial grudges whilst listening to Mary Lou.
    I know I did when Mary lou expressed disdain about the others going on about figures all the time.

    Imagine that-having to talk about figures when you are proposing something-perish the thought.

    I thought Ryan of the Greens was pretty good last night actually,they should have trotted him out more often.

    Mind you Biffo's comment to him " look if the carbon foot print was a 24hr clock...Ireland would be about 7 seconds of it" was a pretty good retort in the finding a sense of perspective kind of way.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 551 ✭✭✭funktastic


    I think John Bowman is able to get them to answer the questions. He pushed Rabbitte into a corner about a coalition with FF after the election when he was trying to brush it aside. I feel he would have been much better than Miriam O'Callaghan for the leaders debate last week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭swiss


    I have to agree that Q&A was very interesting this week. Obviously this close to the election every party would be under additional pressure to perform and bring their points across. Cowen was in bullish form as usual, but I thought Rabitte fielded him very well. I think at one point in the debate Liz O'Donnell called Rabitte 'cranky' and while that might have been overstating it there was certainly a more sombre demeanour about him than I have seen of late.

    The main issues about the economy and public services were re-aired of course, and I felt that Fianna Fáil delivered their message about their handling of the economy and Fine Gael and Labour delivered their message about the state of public services. However I thought Eamonn Ryan made some very, as another poster said, salient points about our economic competitiveness and the threats that inflation and poor value for money bring to that competitiveness. I'm quite surprised that we haven't heard more about this because one concern of mine would be the issue of competitiveness in a global economy, burgeoning personal debt, balance of trade deficits and so forth.

    Liz O'Donnell really, really annoyed me. She sounded condescending and patronising as if the success of the economy is all down to PD policy and handing the reigns over to the 'lefties' would be the fastest way to collapse it. A mirror of the PD posters screaming "don't throw it all away". Scaremongering.

    Sinn Féin delivered their standard boilerplate message, but no more than that really. Mary Lou was quite articulate, but didn't send my heart racing in any sense of the term.

    I was quite disappointed with Simon Coveney. I felt he was a little unsure on his points, as if he hadn't prepared adequetely. Perhaps he needs more experience or maybe he was being drowned out by the Rabitte/Cowan face-off but he did come across as being the weaker representative. However when he did deliver his message it was sensible, and he made some good points about the polling.

    Hard to pick a 'winner'. If I had to say, I think Labour came out of it very well, and Fianna Fáil fought their corner in Cowens own inimitable way. Fine Gael did not shine but were by no means disgraced either, and the other two representatives were 'also rans'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,932 ✭✭✭The Saint


    Tristrame wrote:
    I thought Ryan of the Greens was pretty good last night actually,they should have trotted him out more often.

    Mind you Biffo's comment to him " look if the carbon foot print was a 24hr clock...Ireland would be about 7 seconds of it" was a pretty good retort in the finding a sense of perspective kind of way.
    He should have responded with a comment on our carbon emissions per capita or our ecological footprint per capita where we aren't too hot. It just seemed like a cheap way of avoiding the topic by blaming everyone else.

    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/env_co2_emi_percap-environment-co2-emissions-per-capita
    http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/env_eco_foo-environment-ecological-footprint


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭ButtermilkJack


    funktastic wrote:
    I think John Bowman is able to get them to answer the questions. He pushed Rabbitte into a corner about a coalition with FF after the election when he was trying to brush it aside. I feel he would have been much better than Miriam O'Callaghan for the leaders debate last week.
    I actually think he was quite biased in dealing with this issue...

    The question, which was quite a good and fair one, was put to Pat Rabitte first who said (not word for word but as close as I can remember), 'I don't think that will happen, I think we will see a majority...' but before he could get another word out John Bowman started raising his voice and jumped down his throat claiming that was not what was asked and that he should stop trying to avoid the question.

    When all the commotion had settled he turned to Brian Cowen and asked the same question. Cowen started by stating... 'I don't think that will happen, the people want FF to continue and I think we will see a mjority...' and John just sat there looking on allowing Cowen to continue.

    Next he asked the Green candidate the same qwuestion and when he tried to say it wouldn't happen John treated him the same as Pat Rabitte.

    Very biased in my opinion, and I was quite disappointed because I do believe that he is a great presenter.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,581 ✭✭✭dodgyme


    I thought Rabbitte was excellent on Q&A. McDowell won the small leaders debate but Rabitte was on fire on Q&A. Good to see since I will be voting Lab and FG.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 986 ✭✭✭ateam


    Did anyone else think Rabbitte came across as annoyed and cranky? I got that impression of him last night. Fine Gael's spokesman on the show was largely ineffective, Bruton should have went on.

    For me Cowen comes across as a bit smug. Does Mary Lou have a chance on Thursday?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,594 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    McDowell did not win the small leaders debate.

    I thought Rabbitte came across poor last night. He looked tired, and cranky and rose to Cowen's bait. I get the impression he analyses his performances on tv and if that's true he won't be happy about last night. Cowen is an arrogance and condescending sod. "The people will deicide"
    Really??
    I'm glad Coveney brought up his flip-flop on stamp duty. As it was a bit rich of Cowen to criticise others for flip-flopping.

    Mary Lou did well but it was easy in a way as Sinn Fein know they won't be in power. I think Sinn Fein will achieve their objective at this election.

    How bad was Liz O'Donnell?? Poor Micheal must have been incandescent with rage at her abysmal performance last night.



    exchange of the night:"We already have a two-tier health system"

    "Precisely"

    I think it will be Labour, led by Howlin, and Fianna Fail who form the next Government


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭Viscosity


    ateam wrote:
    Did anyone else think Rabbitte came across as annoyed and cranky?QUOTE]

    Yeah I felt that too. He appeared red in the face for most of the exchanges with Cowan and was invading Coveneys space while trying to shout at Cowen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Jonny Arson


    I thought it was pretty bad Q&A last night which was the rambling Rabbitte and cocky Cowen show.

    For the first time last night I thought Rabbitte looked shaken. In fairness, he did hit home Cowen on FF's scaremongering spin on FG/Lab policies but he was cranky and did bitchslap Coveney on a couple of occasions. Cowen's arrogance as seen last night will only turn people off FF.

    Eamon Ryan was the star of the show. He was the only one who make logical sense without letting his ego get in the way. As other people have mentioned, he has been the first politician to speak out on the true state of the way our economy is being run. Cowen's bodylanguage was intriguing and could only come out with the usual 600,000 jobs argument which was an unconvincing answer with regards to where our economy is going for the next 5 years. Ryan's performance solidified my vote for the Green Party on Thursday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Compared to some of the shows in this election, I cannot see how last night's Quanda was bad. The debate and passion and indeed the arrogance of some of the opposing candidates made it all the more entertaining. Certainly, the Green candidate looked more mature than the rest.

    Compared to his usual performances in front of the FF faithful, he did look a little shaken. And I think Pat Rabbitte wasn't rambling. On the contrary, he quipped a lot, and rather negatively too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,764 ✭✭✭Valentia


    Tristrame wrote:
    Mind you Biffo's comment to him " look if the carbon foot print was a 24hr clock...Ireland would be about 7 seconds of it" was a pretty good retort in the finding a sense of perspective kind of way.

    Which is the same as saying our tiny island is only 7 seconds worth in the scale of a 24 hour world. It's the only 7 seconds you or I have though so it's damned important to me anyway!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Tristrame wrote:
    Mind you Biffo's comment to him " look if the carbon foot print was a 24hr clock...Ireland would be about 7 seconds of it" was a pretty good retort in the finding a sense of perspective kind of way.

    Yup, that pretty much sums up why I don't want to see the Greens in Government. From a realists perspective we're really not a big factor regarding global warning when you get down to it. We could mass pollute our little hearts out and so long as the US, the rest of Europe and China etc cut down on emissions it would make little difference to the fall in emissions globally. Not that I want to see that or anything but the point stands nonetheless.


    Edit:
    Tristrame wrote:
    That may be so but I'd imagine there were a lot of people watching that were making similar facial grudges whilst listening to Mary Lou.
    I know I did when Mary lou expressed disdain about the others going on about figures all the time.

    Imagine that-having to talk about figures when you are proposing something-perish the thought.

    Yeah, it was a farcical comment. Sure it would appeal to some of the SF voter base who only want to hear the words equality and rights over and over again but I imagine that a lot of people (including myself) have a lot of trouble taking seriously any politician who makes such comments.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭AidoCQS


    Rabbite is coming off as the only adult in these debates, he used to come off as an arrogant twat, now the serious demeanour suits him


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭AidoCQS


    Tristrame wrote:
    Mind you Biffo's comment to him " look if the carbon foot print was a 24hr clock...Ireland would be about 7 seconds of it" was a pretty good retort in the finding a sense of perspective kind of way.

    You should rewatch that again and see the skill at which a Politician answers the question they want to answer, not the one they were being asked

    The Green party spokes man, in response to a point about our super economy was stating that we are not as super as we would have ourselves believe. ie we were dependant on fossel fuels, or fuels we have to buy elsewhere - Biffo ignored this point opting to respond with a pre engineered cliche to the issue of pollution. Its sutle but its no less an avoided answer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,062 ✭✭✭Voipjunkie


    Tristrame wrote:

    Mind you Biffo's comment to him " look if the carbon foot print was a 24hr clock...Ireland would be about 7 seconds of it" was a pretty good retort in the finding a sense of perspective kind of way.


    Yes but it is the 7 seconds that we are responsible for it seemed to me a justification for FF/PDs doing absolutely nothing on the issue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭AidoCQS


    Carbon emmissions is about pollution - fair enough

    Dependancy of follil fuels is a whole other issue - Its about choosing to build roads instead of rail (increasing the use of petrol).

    Do you know the central difference between LA and NYC - its a subway.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,842 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    AidoCQS wrote:
    Do you know the central difference between LA and NYC - its a subway.
    :confused: Both cities have subways.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭AidoCQS


    Yes, LA got one 90 years later than NYC and its going to take them generations to catch up in terms of.. what do they call it now 'upscaled workforce'

    I.e. Go to NYC if you want to work in finance, LA if you want to be an actor and dont mind porn as a good plan B


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭irish_bob


    mary lou waffled as usual , as i always say about mary lou
    she could speak continously for 10 minutes and when she was finished, you would not remember a single thing she said , its just noise
    shes an empty pretty vessel
    i thought both pat rabbitte and brian cowan were excellent
    eamon ryan was as good as could be expected , simon coveny was poor
    liz o donnell , well i find it very hard to say anything negative about the lovely liz but she was simply window dressing


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭blast05


    Mind you Biffo's comment to him " look if the carbon foot print was a 24hr clock...Ireland would be about 7 seconds of it" was a pretty good retort in the finding a sense of perspective kind of way.

    Right, Ireland has about 250% of the weighted average of CO2 emissions per capita per country according to the www.nationmaster.com website. So given a total population on the planet of ~6 billion and the population of Ireland of ~4 million then, for Ireland's weighted average to come in at the average CO2 emission per capita then Ireland would need a population of ~10 million, 2 and a half times our current.

    Now 10 million as a percentage of 6 billion is ~0.167%. Given that there are 86400 seconds in 24 hours, then 0.167% of 86400 seconds is 144 seconds, i.e.: if the global carbon footprint was a 24 hour clock, then Ireland's contribution would be 144 seconds

    144 seconds versus Cowens figure of 7 seconds .......... sounds like Cowens department of finance attempting to calculate exchequer returns :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭AidoCQS


    irish_bob wrote:
    mary lou waffled as usual , as i always say about mary lou
    she could speak continously for 10 minutes and when she was finished, you would not remember a single thing she said , its just noise
    shes an empty pretty vessel
    i thought both pat rabbitte and brian cowan were excellent
    eamon ryan was as good as could be expected , simon coveny was poor
    liz o donnell , well i find it very hard to say anything negative about the lovely liz but she was simply window dressing

    I have spotted that - her style is too rehearsed, she reminds me of one of those booksmart people who can regurgatate endless theory. Now she does look cute doing it, but I wish she would own it, get angry for once, pretend at least that she is not reading a party manifesto, people want to see passion in a debate


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