50 NL Video review thread.

shoutman · 12-07-2007 01:34PM #1

Firstly I think it would be a good idea to keep all reviews of the 50nl videos in this thread, so before the rview just simply put who you are reviewing at the top of your post.

So dvdfan was the first to take the plunge and make a video, for those regular posters who want to see it, you can pm him and ask him for the link.

dvdfan 11 July 2007

So far the only major thing i've picked up on is that I think that you arent playing sets optimumly, you aren't slowplaying them when I feel you should, for example at around 14:50 you get 99 utg, and you make a pot bet (standard enough) only the bb calls and when he checks to you on a 294 board (two hearts) you bet just under pot saying maybe he as an overpair, imo unless he had aces or kings he does not have an overpair as he would of three bet preflop. His range is very wide here imo, and I think that this is a perfect time to slowplay your set.

Also I think your play against the mr bus driver guy is fairly bad, you are only ever firing one barrrel at him and im sure hes coping this so will call with and pair and no that he is probably up against a draw and that you will check behind on the river anyway, I know you think he is a station but you still should be more aggro against him imo.

I'll look at the video again later and give more opinions on it but that was my initial impression anyway.

dvdfan · 12-07-2007 03:49PM

Thanks Shoutman,

On the sets i almost always play them hard and fast especially if the board is drawy, its probably variance but you wouldnt believe the amount of times my sets have been outdrawn by flushes and straights over the last few weeks, its just sick so maybe thats why.

The way i look at it is if they had a piece of that board i.e Flush draw, straight draw, MP or TP or TT-JJ and possibly QQ then hes calling my flop bet and hes probably calling with overcards too like AK,KQ etc if he dosent have that and he has say JT, small PP etc then hes not calling that bet on the flop anyway so for the few times. If he has JT small PP type of hands theres very few hands/outs for him to hit that ill get a big pot from anyway and if i check and he checks and he does hit a T then i have me work cut out to build a pot. Even if that was a rainbow flop i wouldnt check to him because any hand that he could have that has potential to improve he would call a bet and i want to build a pot.

I think the same when the board pairs and i have a set, he either has a peice of this flop or not and hell call decent size bets with TP etc. There is a situation where i will slowplay, if i have the FH and theres a flush draw, i might give him a free card because i know i can still build a big pot on the river if he hits hes flush and also because i have so much of the board that hes probably not calling a big bet.

Maybe its something i need to look at more but i just think that sets can be vunerable probably more because of the amount of times i lost with them, maybe i having bad variance with sets.

I just had a look at my stats for the 118 times ive flopped a set over the last 28,000 Hands:

So ive had 11 loses in 118 hands it actually looks ok so maybe im just remebering the defeats more clearly.

On the misterBus geezer, i actually posted a thread a while back about playing against this type of player and i think it is a weakness as i dont know the optimal play against these guys. I just cant help thinking being aggro against this fellow without a hand is a waste of time because hes not folding enough although i agree that i was a bit transparent yet he still was calling me. I can play grand against players that are passive because obviously thats easy but against aggressive maniacs its so high variance i just try and wait for a hand and bet the chit out of it or let them bluff me, whichever is the more likely. I would be interested to hear more taughts on this

RoadSweeper · 12-07-2007 06:19PM

Just watched the video there

First of all nice work on the video, great set up etc...

11.45 - I dont think you should have called the $2 witht he openended straight draw on the turn.

The pot was 5.75 (think your PO pot oods stats were frozen?) but the players was tight passive so i dont think you were ever going to get much value out of him unless he had a hand, which many times may be split pot.

12.33 - i bet the turn

The 99 hand where you hit a set i agree with Shoutman and check to him and let him bluff or bet this draw, although i understand your bad run and want not to be out drawn

22.40 - Interesting hand. Would you have called if the video wasnt there? Given your thoughts on him i probally would have.

Would'nt mind hearing more on that hand.

Nice session and alot to learn from it. I see where you have gotten more aggressive and it seemed to work nicely for you.

Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing it.

valor · 12-07-2007 07:06PM

you get 99 utg, and you make a pot bet (standard enough) only the bb calls and when he checks to you on a 294 board (two hearts)

havent watched video, but you should always always bet here

RedJoker · 12-07-2007 07:30PM

Shoutman sent me the video this morning.

1.24 – raise A4 from the button. Good steal opportunity.

Don’t use auto select buttons, except for folding from positions other than BB.

3.14 – house of 6s over 5s. River bet is too big. 6-7 would be the most I’d bet here without a read that he’ll call more than that.

3.40 – 77 from SB. One limper, consider raising there. You may isolate and take the pot with a cbet. Flat call is fine as well but at least consider a raise.

4.51 – J8 from SB. Dr.Claw is 50/42.9 over small sample, he’s very likely to raise, which you can’t call. Even if you do get to flop, you’ve got a marginal hand OOP against an aggressive player. Fold here.

7.21 – A6 on AQJ board. Why no cbet? Draw heavy board against a 57.6/13.9, very likely to be ahead here. I’d prefer to bet flop, check 10 turn and check/call river. Unless you are looking for bluffs from him. You mentioned he min bets and overbets, what type of hands does he min bet with and what type does he overbet with? Your note says he min bet and then folded to a raise, perhaps he min bets weak hands and overbets strong ones.

7.40 – 89s on button with one limper (41.2/0). Consider stealing here. Nobody has shown any strength and you’ve got a playable hand in position.

Verdica sounds like a very weak player. Be glad she’s a regular.

11.16 – J9 on AK10 board against 13/2 early position limper. Flop bet is very ugh. He’s playing 13% of his hands, strong aces and kings are a huge part of that range. Check fold flop. You’re getting 3-1 on his turn bet, you’re 4-1 to hit a Q or 7. Q makes the board look very scary and you’re unlikely to get a river bet from him. He may have A-J or K-J which you’d split with. He could also have A-Q or K-Q which takes some of your outs. He could have Q-J which means you’re drawing to 3 outs for a split and a 7 will kill you. I’m not a huge fan of this turn call but it isn’t horrible.

13.05 – QJ on 364Q board. Bet the turn, I can’t see any reason not to bet the turn here.

13.25 – J8 on K73 board with flush draw 5 handed. Flop bet is too big, 1.75 – 2 is fine here. K turn, 3 into 13 pot is enough odds, reasons to fold are, like you said, you may be drawing dead (unlikely since you didn’t get raised on the flop) and you have a player to act behind you. Player who bet is shortstacked so that’s another reason to fold since, like you said, you have little implied odds.

15.09 – 99 on 942 board. 87% of pot bet may be too much. I’d just bet what you always cbet which imo should be 3. I’d rarely if ever check here.

15.50 – 89s from CO with limper. Good raise, should have done the same earlier. Cbet the flop please. He bet twice a min bet on the turn, he did this earlier when he was weak, you’ve also induced this bet, raise the turn. We’d have more info if you cbet the flop though.

15.54 – K9 from the CO 4 handed, consider raising. You don’t have to but at least think about it. The only reason I can see for being on that table is relaxus and you’re OOP on him when there’s an open seat to his left, move over to there.

16.44 – raising 33 from the BB is ok, I’d usually check here. Why do you raise this but not 77 from the SB earlier?

You’re talking about letting busdriver bluff when you hit a good hand, he bets too small when he’s bluffing, you won’t get much value this way.

18.00 – 107 may be worth a steal from the SB as you only have the BB to get through. Folding is ok too though.

18.50 – J9s is fine for a steal attempt. Folding J10 from CO because there’s a lot of shortstacks is fine. I think you may be overvaluing suited hands; you seem far more willing to raise them then unsuited hands. Good cbet.

21.20 – KQ on J1010 board, cbet the flop, you have a good draw but will have to check fold the river if you miss. Try and take the pot now, if you do get called you have outs to improve. Turn, you seem to make pot size bets when you have huge hands (same with trip 2s earlier and the house of 6s on the river at the start), this is a tell and besides that makes it difficult to get value out of your hands. I’m very tempted to call this river btw, you’ll see a lone ten, or ace here often. He’s likely to have bet the flop with a flush draw. It’s possible he was slowplaying a house earlier since you mentioned he likes to do that. The decision is close for me and the fact that you said he’s ‘very very likely to do this on a bluff’ tips it to a call for me.

You seem to be playing too many tables, your timing out a lot and folded KQ from the SB when it was limped around, maybe discussing hands is slowing you down here.

23.48 – that hand is interesting, make a note that expekt622339 can fire 3 barrels on a bluff.

Some good steals around here.

24.45 – AKs, good 3 bet. I play the hand exactly the same after that, completely fine.

26.59 – K10 on J102 flop, I’m not too sure about your donkbet here. Check fold would probably be better since he’s shortstacked and a cbet will commit him to the pot.

28.00 – K10s, preflop raise is good. Your line worked postflop but a different line may have been better. I like your line given the earlier action but you may have been getting a little too tricky. If you bet 3 into 3.75 on flop, 7 into 9.75 on turn, you would have been left with 26.45 into a 23.75 pot which is a better place to be then having 31.20 left in a 14.25 pot. When you flop a monster you should try to think about the best way to get your money in by the river. I’m also not sure about betting 6 into 14.25 on the river.

33.00 – K2 from BTN, nice steal. 25 is more than a pot sized bet on this flop. I’d make it about 17-20 here.

35.22 – Check turn. Betting the king isn’t awful because it’s likely a scare card but I’d still prefer to check here.

35.50 – A4 from BB. I’d usually fold here. Multiway you’re likely to be dominated and OOP.

39.10 – I don’t like how passive you’re playing against busdriver, I cbet this flop. Your delayed cbet on the turn seems too big, I’d bet about 3. Checking river is fine.

In summary: don’t overvalue suited cards. Don’t get too tricky or at least try to have clear and logical reasons for taking a certain line. Stop playing so passively against busdriver.

dvdfan · 12-07-2007 07:34PM

RoadSweeper wrote:

Just watched the video there

11.45 - I dont think you should have called the $2 witht he openended straight draw on the turn.

The pot was 5.75 (think your PO pot oods stats were frozen?) but the players was tight passive so i dont think you were ever going to get much value out of him unless he had a hand, which many times may be split pot.

I think your right here, its marginal wheter i had the implied odds as i didnt need much of a bet on the river to be called to get the odds but if the Q lands and he dosent have a J hes not paying me off and as you pointed out were splitting it alot. If the 7 came i might get my implied odds paid off as its a less obvious str8 but then im really only chasing a gutshot and if the 7 comes and i raise and he RR all in i wont know if he has a set, 2 pair or QJ for the higher straight so all in all its just a bad spot to call.

RoadSweeper wrote:

12.33 - i bet the turn

I cant find this are you sure the timeline is correct?

RoadSweeper wrote:

The 99 hand where you hit a set i agree with Shoutman and check to him and let him bluff or bet this draw, although i understand your bad run and want not to be out drawn

I know not getting value because of bad beats is certainly a mistake, and ill try and play them less paranoidly because after reviewing my results it looks like im only been outdrawn a tiny percentage of the time. Ill post the hand up after this thread so people without the video can give opinions

RoadSweeper wrote:

22.40 - Interesting hand. Would you have called if the video wasnt there? Given your thoughts on him i probally would have.

Would'nt mind hearing more on that hand.

Nice session and alot to learn from it. I see where you have gotten more aggressive and it seemed to work nicely for you.

Keep up the good work and thanks for sharing it.

This really was a tough hand and i can gaurantee 2 weeks ago i would have snap called this giving the situation not because it was the right thing to do but because i was calling alot of river stuff too quick without thinking about it. To be honest i was very close to calling as it smelt of a either a bluff or a flush and one of the things that made me fold in the end was the size of the pot and the fact that i knew i had a good chance of getting in a better situation and take his chips later which i did. But the biggest mistake on the hand was not topping up after it because when i did stack him i only had $35 stack.

insafehands · 12-07-2007 07:35PM

PM link please dvdfan

dvdfan · 12-07-2007 07:44PM

Heres the 99 set Hand for anyone not viewing the video:

Green Joke Poker Butterworth 0.25/0.50, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

Button ($28.10)
SB ($33.40)
BB ($49.25)
UTG Hero ($57.40)
UTG+1 ($60.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9

9

Hero raises to 1.75, 3 folds, BB calls 1.25.

Flop (3.75) 2

9

4

BB checks, Hero bets 3.25, 1 fold

Hero shows 9

9

Hero wins 7.00 with Three of a kind, Nine's

phantom_lord · 12-07-2007 07:45PM

I'd never ever check there.

Rb · 12-07-2007 07:52PM

Link plz.

RoadSweeper · 12-07-2007 07:53PM

dvdfan wrote:

I cant find this are you sure the timeline is correct?

Redjoker has it at 13.05 - my bad

RedJoker · 12-07-2007 07:57PM

That 99 hand is completely standard, if anything post the KQ hand at 21.20 or the K10 hand at 28, I felt they were more interesting.

gilmour · 12-07-2007 11:21PM

linky plz

shoutman · 12-07-2007 11:42PM

Excuse my ignorance but whats so standard about the set of nines hand?

Whats so bad about checking behind? fair enough we might get a caller if we bet and opponent has a flush draw but otherwise the opponent is folding such a wide variety of his range, especially since dvdfan hasnt been all that aggressive it wouldnt exactly go against his nature to check behind.
I think that much of his expected range ie. mid/strong pocket pairs would be reraiseed from the blinds as it is not ideal to be playing them oop so this would have to rule out some of them at least.

I think it would be illogical to be overly worried about the straight draw and I think overcards fold to a bet.

RedJoker · 13-07-2007 12:33AM

shoutman wrote:

Excuse my ignorance but whats so standard about the set of nines hand?

Whats so bad about checking behind? fair enough we might get a caller if we bet and opponent has a flush draw but otherwise the opponent is folding such a wide variety of his range, especially since dvdfan hasnt been all that aggressive it wouldnt exactly go against his nature to check behind.
I think that much of his expected range ie. mid/strong pocket pairs would be reraiseed from the blinds as it is not ideal to be playing them oop so this would have to rule out some of them at least.

I think it would be illogical to be overly worried about the straight draw and I think overcards fold to a bet.

I cbet every flop so checking behind would be unusual for me and any opponents who are paying attention will notice this. There's a flush draw on this board. That's not the main reason.

Pots increase exponentially, making a bet here could mean that your river value bet will be 3x larger than if you check the flop. It's unlikely that your opponent will catch a card weak enough that your still ahead but strong enough to re-raise you so you make up the value you've lost from checking the flop.

If hero makes a $3 flop bet, a $7 turn bet and gets called to the river the pot will be $23.75 with $38 left to bet. If he checks the flop and bets $3 on the turn he's got a $9.75 pot with $45 left to bet. I know which situation I want to be in. I don't think your opponent will catch up enough times to make checking the flop more profitable then betting it.

shoutman · 13-07-2007 12:54AM

I know what you are saying redjoker, and I know in an ideal world, ie. your opponent has a decent hand, it is the easiest way to get all the money in the pot, I just think that it is not the kind of flop that would hit much of his holding, I would prefere to win a 20 dollar pot then a 7 dollar one, obviously checking the flop doesnt mean he is going to hit his card on the turn but I just think that it is not wrong to check behind on the flop in many situations and think that this is a good situation where passive enough plaayers should slowplay.

Jesus Wept · 13-07-2007 01:45AM

Where is this video you speak of

RedJoker · 13-07-2007 01:46AM

shoutman wrote:

I know what you are saying redjoker, and I know in an ideal world, ie. your opponent has a decent hand, it is the easiest way to get all the money in the pot, I just think that it is not the kind of flop that would hit much of his holding, I would prefere to win a 20 dollar pot then a 7 dollar one, obviously checking the flop doesnt mean he is going to hit his card on the turn but I just think that it is not wrong to check behind on the flop in many situations and think that this is a good situation where passive enough plaayers should slowplay.

I barely ever slowplay. Playing aggressive all the time provides enough deception. I agree that passive players may have to slowplay to get value against thinking, observant opponents, but probably not against the weaker, average ones.

nicryan · 13-07-2007 03:12AM

could someone send me the link please

-Nic

cooker3 · 13-07-2007 07:56AM

Right, here are some of my thoughts, I have sort of glanced through above posts but not read them properly so will probably repeating everything

First of all in relation to nines hand, this is so standard. I bet every set I flop pretty much. There are so many reasons to do it, slowplaying at 50nl is not a good strategy pretty much ever.

Anyway
7.30 Bet that flop on the A5 on AKQ flop, easy value bet. Your allowing Busdriver to get into your head and affecting how you play this is bad

11:30-12 I don't like the call on turn with j9 for a straight draw, your are not getting the implied odds for it at all.

13 limped pot, blind vs blind, flop tp on turn, bet it out, he has 0 af I think, and it's a drawy board, there is no reason not to bet it

16:22 You didn't continuation bet on A high flop, does he literally call any bets at all, it seemed like an ideal flop to bet at.

21/22 I noticed that when you had good hands on scary board, as in set of 2's on all diamond flop and the straight on the paired board, you potted it, yet in other situations you would only bet 75% of the pot etc. You need to be consistant in everything you do as it will get picked upon the higher you play.

As for busdrivers river push when you had the straight, you could see it coming, by my rough stats you need to be good 35% of the time to make it a call and against this guy I think you are ahead enough here and would have called although I am not against a fold and it shows good disclipline if nothing else, fairly tight decision all in all.

25 I probably check the flop as can't see what he calls and we beat, folds everything that we beat.
I noticed you insta checked when your were giving up on a hand, this is my favourite and pretty much only online tell. try to be consistant with your timings for betting.

Overall pretty solid, be more aggressive against busdriver, don't let him get to your head.

eoghan104 · 13-07-2007 08:01AM

nicryan wrote:

could someone send me the link please

-Nic

me too please

cichlid child · 13-07-2007 08:06AM

eoghan104 wrote:

me too please

and me pleeeease

Tar.Aldarion · 13-07-2007 08:43AM

I would also like to review this fine piece of work, in work.

dvdfan · 13-07-2007 11:03AM

Ok thanks for all the replies so far, i didnt get a chance to read the properly yet just scanned them but i can see already that this is going to be well worth the effort as theres some excellent reviews there that im going to re-read and try and introduce to my game. Alot of them are simple things that should have been obvious and i was just overlooking yet there are things i hadnt realised i was doing until they were pointed out. Thanks again and keep them coming and im going to re-read all the replies now:

On a side note ive got a good few requests from people who rarely post here. Ive no problem giving the vids out to regulars but i dont think newcomers would learn a whole lot as the whole point of this is to improve my game so a newbie might pick up some of my mistakes so im reluctant to give it out to people who dont post on the poker forum not because of the above but more because my username is visible, 2+2 does have alot of videos of this type if they want to learn for free and cardrunners does subscription videos from pro players so to save me the time replying to these pm's i wont be giving out the link to posters whove rarely posted on the poker forum.

Thanks a million

bill_ashmount · 13-07-2007 11:09AM

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

I would also like to review this fine piece of work, in work.

me too please

dvdfan · 13-07-2007 12:07PM

RedJoker wrote:

7.21 – A6 on AQJ board. Why no cbet? Draw heavy board against a 57.6/13.9, very likely to be ahead here. I’d prefer to bet flop, check 10 turn and check/call river. Unless you are looking for bluffs from him. You mentioned he min bets and overbets, what type of hands does he min bet with and what type does he overbet with? Your note says he min bet and then folded to a raise, perhaps he min bets weak hands and overbets strong ones.

I obviously didnt play optimal against this lad so i might post several of his hands in a thraed and link to this which will show the hands i played against him in order as they happened and then maybe you can comment on how i should have played and adpated as i seen him showing down hands because i still dont feel comfortable getting aggressive with this lad if i dont have a hand because he calls too much although i agree i should have bet my draws more aggressively

EDIT//////

After looking through the hands it appears that i built a wrong image about the player. He sat down with $10 and double up with trip Aces, he then doubled up again pushing over 2 $8 bets on turn with TP Tkicker and luckboxed a straight, he then got in a 3bet pot with me and when i cbetted the flop for $10 he pushed i folded and then showed down a couple of stupid pots in between all these but they were only small pots.

He then managed to double again with set over set and also the pot he won off me when i folded the straight. So he infact wasnt as bad as i taught so i may have been right to fold the straight as he didnt actually bluff any big pots only smaller ones. So i obviously need to be more careful about observing players and taking better notes as all hes stupid play was mostly when he was a shortie.

RedJoker wrote:

13.25 – J8 on K73 board with flush draw 5 handed. Flop bet is too big, 1.75 – 2 is fine here. K turn, 3 into 13 pot is enough odds, reasons to fold are, like you said, you may be drawing dead (unlikely since you didn’t get raised on the flop) and you have a player to act behind you. Player who bet is shortstacked so that’s another reason to fold since, like you said, you have little implied odds.

Ive obviously issues with my bet sizing and value betting also at 15:09 and 28:00, just wondering if youve any tips on this or good links. Im thinking whats the difference between betting $3 or $3.25 on a $3.75 flop etc what should i be taking into consideration? I know i read on this in a book recently maybe Skalanskys theory of poker, maybe i need to re-read it. I also feel i might be too transparent as youve said betting pot when i have a very strong hand and RR very heavy when i have a very good hand, although not enough people recognise this at this level a few of the regulars will and so maybe i need to be more relaxed and RR the same as i would if i was semi-bluffing a draw as i would with a set on a flush draw board. Im probably too worried about being outdrawn and losing value scaring them off my monster hands.

RedJoker wrote:

15.50 – 89s from CO with limper. Good raise, should have done the same earlier. Cbet the flop please. He bet twice a min bet on the turn, he did this earlier when he was weak, you’ve also induced this bet, raise the turn. We’d have more info if you cbet the flop though.

This was busDriver again, should i be cbetting a semi-calling station and what to i do on the blank turn if he calls. The flop was something like Axx and a K came on the turn, whats my plan on a blank turn or if i hit the turn?

RedJoker wrote:

18.00 – 107 may be worth a steal from the SB as you only have the BB to get through. Folding is ok too though.

He had $9 or so left. I dont like raising a shortie with anything i wont call an all in with, is this a leak or should i just get up and leave when im in this situation?

RedJoker wrote:

23.48 – that hand is interesting, make a note that expekt622339 can fire 3 barrels on a bluff.

I was thinking that at the time but i tried to avoid taking notes on players that are playing headsup versus fish/donks as theyll normally play a different game.

RedJoker wrote:

26.59 – K10 on J102 flop, I’m not too sure about your donkbet here. Check fold would probably be better since he’s shortstacked and a cbet will commit him to the pot.

I think i need to concentrate more on the players around me as i tend to overlook this often and end up in bad situations against shorties, i should also consider leaving tables like this unless there particularly juicy because the shortie can completely disrupt your stealing oppurtunities etc

Really appreciate the detailed reply, i got alot from this

dvdfan · 13-07-2007 01:06PM

cooker3 wrote:

7.30 Bet that flop on the A5 on AKQ flop, easy value bet. Your allowing Busdriver to get into your head and affecting how you play this is bad

Yeah as ive said above i had a wrong image of him and i played bad against him and i shouldnt let him get to me and just play my normal game.

cooker3 wrote:

11:30-12 I don't like the call on turn with j9 for a straight draw, your are not getting the implied odds for it at all.

Yeah because the Q is more than likely not an out and also because 7 could get me into big trouble with a possible higher straight its probably just a hand i didnt need to get involved with.

cooker3 wrote:

13 limped pot, blind vs blind, flop tp on turn, bet it out, he has 0 af I think, and it's a drawy board, there is no reason not to bet it

Yeah this was mentioned by Roadsweeper,Shout and Redjoker i think and to be honest i dont know why i didnt bet, i just must not have been concentrating or thinking properly.

cooker3 wrote:

21/22 I noticed that when you had good hands on scary board, as in set of 2's on all diamond flop and the straight on the paired board, you potted it, yet in other situations you would only bet 75% of the pot etc. You need to be consistant in everything you do as it will get picked upon the higher you play.

I made some comments on this above and i need to refresh up with some reading on my bet sizing but i think the root of the problem is the times when i have been outdrawn when ive had set/straights/2pair rivered by flushes/FH etc i seemed to remember these more clearly and it was giving me the impression i was being outdrawn alot yet when i checked the stats i havent been outdrawn much at all so im trying to overcompensate for this by saying well i have a hand if your going to call with your flush draw and river me your going to be calling pot size bets when in fact im losing value to 1 and 2 pair hands which is probably more costly in the long run. Ill try and get more value from sets and straights etc anymore and not worry about being outdrawn as its inevitable while also making sure im not underbetting or giving free cards unless the situation warrants.

cooker3 wrote:

25 I probably check the flop as can't see what he calls and we beat, folds everything that we beat.
I noticed you insta checked when your were giving up on a hand, this is my favourite and pretty much only online tell. try to be consistant with your timings for betting.

This one is interesting as i said at the time hes range was pretty wide down to A4s+ and KJ etc but he actually raised UTG so hes range might well have been smaller but i think he has a Pocket Pair, AK-AJ here often enough for a C-Bet to be profitable??

Thanks again for the replies, what ive taken from this the most is my concentration is a big issues, im missing out on steal chances, not observing opponents enough and this is leading to bad situations.

My bet sizing and getting value is something i defo need to work on any i need to relax more and get value when i flop a big hand on a scary board, thats not to say i wont play it fast but i also need to disguise it by playing my semi-bluffs the same way. And lastly i shouldnt let bad players influence the way i play a hand.

dvdfan · 14-07-2007 02:02AM

Anyone that plays on ipoker that has gotten the video do you want to share your username with me by pm so we can avoid eachother.

RedJoker · 14-07-2007 04:51AM

This was busDriver again, should i be cbetting a semi-calling station and what to i do on the blank turn if he calls. The flop was something like Axx and a K came on the turn, whats my plan on a blank turn or if i hit the turn?

You should give him a chance to fold and not an excuse to bluff on the turn.

Miss or hit I'm probably shutting down on the turn but may call a small bet on the river provided my opponent isn't too passive if I have some showdown value by then.

He had $9 or so left. I dont like raising a shortie with anything i wont call an all in with, is this a leak or should i just get up and leave when im in this situation?

Didn't notice short stack, fold is fine.

Ive obviously issues with my bet sizing and value betting also at 15:09 and 28:00, just wondering if youve any tips on this or good links. Im thinking whats the difference between betting $3 or $3.25 on a $3.75 flop etc what should i be taking into consideration? I know i read on this in a book recently maybe Skalanskys theory of poker, maybe i need to re-read it. I also feel i might be too transparent as youve said betting pot when i have a very strong hand and RR very heavy when i have a very good hand, although not enough people recognise this at this level a few of the regulars will and so maybe i need to be more relaxed and RR the same as i would if i was semi-bluffing a draw as i would with a set on a flush draw board. Im probably too worried about being outdrawn and losing value scaring them off my monster hands.

Try to make all your cbets the same so you give away no information about the strength of your hand. I try to bet 75% (usually between 70%-80%) of the pot, this gives me value when I've hit and doesn't cost too much when I get called while I have nothing. It's also big enough to get people to fold.

I'd usually bet between 66% and 75% on the turn, more towards 66%.

And 50% - 75% on the river, more towards 50% but dependent on how much I think will get called.

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