Does anybody still play sng's?

max_power · 06-12-2007 01:46AM #1

Well? After playing solely cash for the last few months i've gone back to where i, and i'm sure a lot of other people started playing, the humble sng. It's proven to be quite profitable so far, just wondering if anyone else plays them? Atm i'm playing 6 max ones on ipoker from $20-$50. So does anyone else still play them? What stakes and sites? Do stars or any other sites spread 6 max sng's? I've been reading the stt forum on twoplustwo but pretty much everyone there is playing the full ring stars or ftp games. Are people using any specialist sng software or pokertracker or what? Bit of a ramble but any feedback would be interesting.

AKQJ10 · 06-12-2007 01:54AM

wats the worst thing about playiin sit n go's?

telling your parents ur a homo

max_power · 06-12-2007 02:04AM

Haha, thats probably the funniest thing i've ever heard you say.

sickpuppy · 06-12-2007 02:11AM

Great response akqj10.
In reply Max i play sngs on ipoker mostly 50 and 100 6handed for change and usually the turbos.
You should invest in sharkscope 41dollars for 3months subscribtion,this allows
you a150searches on players a day gives there win ratio and other usefull info.
Compared to the big sites like stars and full tilt the standard on ipoker is piss poor,which should then result in good results for you.
Both stars and fulltilt spread 6max games both turbos and regular games.
If you play on stars get sitand go wizard its free i think and useful also.
Sngs can bore the tits off ya but if your making money who cares.

Gillybean72 · 06-12-2007 01:16PM

I play 9 handed SnGs on stars, at low stakes. usually $5. I find them boring at times, but since I usually profit out them I still do it.

sickpuppy, tell me for about the wizard? cheers

CaptainNemo · 06-12-2007 01:33PM

SnG's: all the depression of a tournament with much smaller prizes.

DeadParrot · 06-12-2007 01:34PM

I'd usually play $50/$100 full ring STTs on ipoker if Im playing them.
I find them handier than 6pacs tbh

BIGMICKG · 06-12-2007 02:57PM

im surprised at everyone saying sngs are so boring, i think there a lot more interesting than cash games and i play them every day. at least in sngs u have have to change gears as the blinds increase and as players get knocked out. in cash u just have have a certain range from each position and play like a robot. also alot of the best online mtt players prefer sngs to cash

sickpuppy · 06-12-2007 03:12PM

Gillcarr if you just google sitngowizard youll get all the info you need.
Theres a 30day free trial so why not avail of it.

Ace2007 · 06-12-2007 03:17PM

BIGMICKG wrote: »

im surprised at everyone saying sngs are so boring, i think there a lot more interesting than cash games

Totally agreed, though i play very little online, i do find sng relatively good and do perfer them to cash, only ever played $10 or $20 6 player.

FutureGuy · 06-12-2007 03:23PM

I play $22+2 9 player SNG on FTP. Most of the time, the players are decent, but some can be shocking. Moving up to $33+3 soon if my BR hits 900 by the end of the week.

The_Chopper · 06-12-2007 03:23PM

DeadParrot wrote: »

I'd usually play $50/$100 full ring STTs on ipoker if Im playing them.
I find them handier than 6pacs tbh

.

Mainly 50's though

nicnicnic · 06-12-2007 03:26PM

BIGMICKG wrote: »

im surprised at everyone saying sngs are so boring, i think there a lot more interesting than cash games and i play them every day. at least in sngs u have have to change gears as the blinds increase and as players get knocked out. in cash u just have have a certain range from each position and play like a robot. also alot of the best online mtt players prefer sngs to cash

Pay no attention Mick there's many poker snobs about; I played stts for a solid 9 months last year into this year and always enjoyed them.

max_power · 06-12-2007 03:45PM

Yeah nic i agree, there's definitely a tendency for cash players to look down on sngs, don't wanna get into the cash -v- tourney debate but i think they can be very profitable. Btw what sort of bankroll management are you using? I've seen a lot of people on twoplustwo advocating having at least 100 buy ins for whatever level, surely this is a bit ott or can the swings actually be that big? Should your roll be smaller for playing 6 max?

FutureGuy · 06-12-2007 03:56PM

The figure I have heard most is about 20 buyins for what ever level of STT you are playing at. I prefer 25 buyins up to 33+3, and 30 buyins to play at 55+5.

The swings can be pretty severe. I was in the money for 14 stts in a row about 6 months ago. A month later, I didn't get in the money for 13 in a row which was devastating to my poker confidence at the time (I actually withdrew my money and quit for 6 weeks!).

The_Chopper · 06-12-2007 03:56PM

I go 20 buy ins
But I don't tend to go beyond 100s as there isn't much traffic on IPoker.

I think if you loose 20 buy ins in a row you should maybe think about giving up poker

DeadParrot · 06-12-2007 03:56PM

100 buyins?
Thats a vicious swing list imho
20-30 buyins would be normal enough, if you are somewhat competent.

*fully expects BR management types to tear me apart

nicnicnic · 06-12-2007 04:07PM

max_power wrote: »

Yeah nic i agree, there's definitely a tendency for cash players to look down on sngs, don't wanna get into the cash -v- tourney debate but i think they can be very profitable. Btw what sort of bankroll management are you using? I've seen a lot of people on twoplustwo advocating having at least 100 buy ins for whatever level, surely this is a bit ott or can the swings actually be that big? Should your roll be smaller for playing 6 max?

Max you have no idea how bad the variance can be in these and I firmly believe that a sample size of 1000 is nothing. I've run 500 games with a 33% roi and 1000 games with 1%.although I haven't played that much cash I think you can run worse in these then cash. I've seen winning players go on 100 buyin down swings. I also used to play with a guy who had a -6roi over 3000 games I knew he was one of the best I played with and couldn't understand the stats he also knew and was destroyed by it but was a winning mtt player and kept plugging away by 4000 games he had turned it around and had a slight positive roi

I really think 5000 games is needed to ascertain what your to get an Idea of what your true win rate is. Also your rakeback can be huge especially for an experienced multi tabler like your self.

I did a six months challenge type thing with stts that finished about this time last year ill dig out the link. Much of the stuff i it is very naive but you might get something from it

Gillybean72 · 06-12-2007 04:22PM

sickpuppy wrote: »

Gillcarr if you just google sitngowizard youll get all the info you need.
Theres a 30day free trial so why not avail of it.

Cheers

Gillian

Iago · 06-12-2007 04:25PM

The_Chopper wrote: »

I go 20 buy ins
But I don't tend to go beyond 100s as there isn't much traffic on IPoker.

I think if you loose 20 buy ins in a row you should maybe think about giving up poker

lol...so possible on a regular basis!

variance is a bitch

The_Chopper · 06-12-2007 04:30PM

IPoker is very soft though - loosing 20 buys in would be like loosing 20 buy ins playing against 9 blind dogs

max_power · 06-12-2007 05:04PM

nicnicnic wrote: »

Max you have no idea how bad the variance can be in these and I firmly believe that a sample size of 1000 is nothing. I've run 500 games with a 33% roi and 1000 games with 1%.although I haven't played that much cash I think you can run worse in these then cash. I've seen winning players go on 100 buyin down swings. I also used to play with a guy who had a -6roi over 3000 games I knew he was one of the best I played with and couldn't understand the stats he also knew and was destroyed by it but was a winning mtt player and kept plugging away by 4000 games he had turned it around and had a slight positive roi

I really think 5000 games is needed to ascertain what your to get an Idea of what your true win rate is. Also your rakeback can be huge especially for an experienced multi tabler like your self.

I did a six months challenge type thing with stts that finished about this time last year ill did out the link. Much of the stuff i it is very naive but you might get something from it

Cheers nic, it would be interesting to see your challenge alright, i know what you mean about the downswings, although i haven't played near as many sngs as you it can get disheartening, atm i've got about 70bi's and i'm 5 tabling usually. Any idea how the rakeback works on sng's? presume it's a percentage of the reg fee, how much? I really have to get sharkscope too as im still only using the 5 free searches and after your first one in a day its useless. I actually sharkscoped 5 players at a 200 sng the other night, all 5 were losing players, one down 10k, and most of their average stake was in and around 20 lol. Pretty sick run that guy was on you mentioned.

HoLLLLLaments · 06-12-2007 05:10PM

The reason most people start with sngs is because they offer a fun and quick way to build your bankroll against a usually weak pool of opponents. They can be very profitable if you employ the right strategy, especially at lower stakes. As your rise up the stakes and come towards the end of the levels sites offer ($500s/1ks) they become alot harder to beat and alot of people are just multitabling them to beat the rake. Although i hear some betfair affilates are offering a pretty sick propping deal where you can get 110% rb as long as you are starting up new games. People used to be able to 12 table the 200$s on party maintaing a 20% roi but those days are gone. the pool of players at the higher stake sngs are of a really good quality now so they arent as profitable anymore. There are some very good players who can maintain high Rois at these stakes but most people cant and thats why people move to cash because playing 1knl cash will be far more profitable then playing 1ksngs, its just that you can get to the 1k sngs faster if you put the same amount of work into your game.

re bankroll mangement for sngs i think 40bis is around the right amount. 20bis is a very small number and if your multi tabling,say 4 tables, and dont cash in 4sngs then your down to 16bis and will have to step down right way which can be frustrating.40bis will give you that extra bit of leeway. i reccomend moving up when you have 40bis at the next level up and moving down if you drop below 40bi at whatever level your playing at.

this thread on two plus two has a great collection of some of the better posts from the STT forum there
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=singletable&Number=1918735

flopturnriver has some good aricles on sngs, heres a link to one, you should be able to find the rest from here http://www.flopturnriver.com/Sit-n-Go-Strategy-Guide.html

this site has a really good downloadble heads up trainer programme which should help you define pushing and calling ranges in the head up stages of sit and gos.
http://www.sngegt.com/

this link has a collection of "curtains" (sick good sng player) articles on sngs
http://www.gogol.co.uk/curtains/

this pocket fives link has a basic intro to sngs
http://www.pocketfives.com/BCA6D444-A5E4-4839-9849-9D90D4AC7658.aspx
this link to pocketfives has some advice on sng bubble play/ICM http://www.pocketfives.com/D91C4382-EF81-404F-A47E-32F4BECA917C.aspx

heres a link to an ICM calculator although i think theres one at sngegt

http://www.chillin411.com/icmcalc.php

also ive heard good things about www.sngicons.com as a training site for sngs but havnt tried it. WPT champ jonathan little is chief instructor there and hes pretty sick good at sngs. If you are a cardrunners member watch actionjeffs sng vids. they are a must. Id join up for cardrunners just to watch these vids actually.

hope that helped, i wasnt expecting my first post to be this long

nicnicnic · 06-12-2007 05:13PM

nicnicnic wrote: »

Max you have no idea how bad the variance can be in these and I firmly believe that a sample size of 1000 is nothing. I've run 500 games with a 33% roi and 1000 games with 1%.although I haven't played that much cash I think you can run worse in these then cash. I've seen winning players go on 100 buyin down swings. I also used to play with a guy who had a -6roi over 3000 games I knew he was one of the best I played with and couldn't understand the stats he also knew and was destroyed by it but was a winning mtt player and kept plugging away by 4000 games he had turned it around and had a slight positive roi

I really think 5000 games is needed to ascertain what your to get an Idea of what your true win rate is. Also your rakeback can be huge especially for an experienced multi tabler like your self.

I did a six months challenge type thing with stts that finished about this time last year ill dig out the link. Much of the stuff i it is very naive but you might get something from it

here the link . Just a warning on scope, you can only read so much in to results someone could be running bad over a smallish sample , someone with a bigger that seems a looser may have improved lately so look at recent part of there graphs. while it will definitely identify the biggest fish I think your notes will be more important. Knowing who fights back and who dosent from the blinds is the most important info you can have in an stt IMO

Flushdraw · 06-12-2007 05:15PM

You could always try what this guy tried and play 4000 sit and go's in 4 months. You'll get an idea of variance over the course of the experiment..

4000 STTs in 4 months thread
4000 STTs in 4 months diary

nicnicnic · 06-12-2007 05:16PM

as for the rakeback when I was playing them on crypto I had 35% so i just got $35 for every $100 I payed but you should check this out as some sites dont give rakeback on tournaments

nicnicnic · 06-12-2007 05:26PM

HoLLLLLaments wrote: »

The reason most people start with sngs is because they offer a fun and quick way to build your bankroll against a usually weak pool of opponents. They can be very profitable if you employ the right strategy, especially at lower stakes. As your rise up the stakes and come towards the end of the levels sites offer ($500s/1ks) they become alot harder to beat and alot of people are just multitabling them to beat the rake. Although i hear some betfair affilates are offering a pretty sick propping deal where you can get 110% rb as long as you are starting up new games. People used to be able to 12 table the 200$s on party maintaing a 20% roi but those days are gone. the pool of players at the higher stake sngs are of a really good quality now so they arent as profitable anymore. There are some very good players who can maintain high Rois at these stakes but most people cant and thats why people move to cash because playing 1knl cash will be far more profitable then playing 1ksngs, its just that you can get to the 1k sngs faster if you put the same amount of work into your game.

re bankroll mangement for sngs i think 40bis is around the right amount. 20bis is a very small number and if your multi tabling,say 4 tables, and dont cash in 4sngs then your down to 16bis and will have to step down right way which can be frustrating.40bis will give you that extra bit of leeway. i reccomend moving up when you have 40bis at the next level up and moving down if you drop below 40bi at whatever level your playing at.

this thread on two plus two has a great collection of some of the better posts from the STT forum there
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=singletable&Number=1918735

flopturnriver has some good aricles on sngs, heres a link to one, you should be able to find the rest from here http://www.flopturnriver.com/Sit-n-Go-Strategy-Guide.html

this site has a really good downloadble heads up trainer programme which should help you define pushing and calling ranges in the head up stages of sit and gos.
http://www.sngegt.com/

this link has a collection of "curtains" (sick good sng player) articles on sngs
http://www.gogol.co.uk/curtains/

this pocket fives link has a basic intro to sngs
http://www.pocketfives.com/BCA6D444-A5E4-4839-9849-9D90D4AC7658.aspx
this link to pocketfives has some advice on sng bubble play/ICM http://www.pocketfives.com/D91C4382-EF81-404F-A47E-32F4BECA917C.aspx

heres a link to an ICM calculator although i think theres one at sngegt

http://www.chillin411.com/icmcalc.php

also ive heard good things about www.sngicons.com as a training site for sngs but havnt tried it. WPT champ jonathan little is chief instructor there and hes pretty sick good at sngs. If you are a cardrunners member watch actionjeffs sng vids. they are a must. Id join up for cardrunners just to watch these vids actually.

hope that helped, i wasnt expecting my first post to be this long

great post and welcome, that betfair 110% sounds good and I kind of see what there at ie a traffic push anymore details. starting playing these with a + 11 roi could get my juices flowing for them again

max_power · 06-12-2007 05:28PM

Nice first post Hollllaments.. i've been looking at the stt forum on twoplustwo, tbh a lot of the stuff there is ridiculously standard especially comapred to the more in depth stuff on cash games ie http://http://forums.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=74245, pretty much all of it is geared toward full ring too. Some other useful links there though cheers.

cooker3 · 06-12-2007 05:39PM

If I only could play SnG's then I would quit poker.

But if you can handle it then they are a nice easy way of building your bankroll to a fairly decent amount but like Nic said the higher you play the harder it gets and the more likely you switch to cash but for a Noob they are probably the best and safest starting point into online poker

The Istanbul · 06-12-2007 05:44PM

HoLLLLLaments wrote: »

The reason most people start with sngs is because they offer a fun and quick way to build your bankroll against a usually weak pool of opponents. They can be very profitable if you employ the right strategy, especially at lower stakes. As your rise up the stakes and come towards the end of the levels sites offer ($500s/1ks) they become alot harder to beat and alot of people are just multitabling them to beat the rake. Although i hear some betfair affilates are offering a pretty sick propping deal where you can get 110% rb as long as you are starting up new games. People used to be able to 12 table the 200$s on party maintaing a 20% roi but those days are gone. the pool of players at the higher stake sngs are of a really good quality now so they arent as profitable anymore. There are some very good players who can maintain high Rois at these stakes but most people cant and thats why people move to cash because playing 1knl cash will be far more profitable then playing 1ksngs, its just that you can get to the 1k sngs faster if you put the same amount of work into your game.

re bankroll mangement for sngs i think 40bis is around the right amount. 20bis is a very small number and if your multi tabling,say 4 tables, and dont cash in 4sngs then your down to 16bis and will have to step down right way which can be frustrating.40bis will give you that extra bit of leeway. i reccomend moving up when you have 40bis at the next level up and moving down if you drop below 40bi at whatever level your playing at.

this thread on two plus two has a great collection of some of the better posts from the STT forum there
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=singletable&Number=1918735

flopturnriver has some good aricles on sngs, heres a link to one, you should be able to find the rest from here http://www.flopturnriver.com/Sit-n-Go-Strategy-Guide.html

this site has a really good downloadble heads up trainer programme which should help you define pushing and calling ranges in the head up stages of sit and gos.
http://www.sngegt.com/

this link has a collection of "curtains" (sick good sng player) articles on sngs
http://www.gogol.co.uk/curtains/

this pocket fives link has a basic intro to sngs
http://www.pocketfives.com/BCA6D444-A5E4-4839-9849-9D90D4AC7658.aspx
this link to pocketfives has some advice on sng bubble play/ICM http://www.pocketfives.com/D91C4382-EF81-404F-A47E-32F4BECA917C.aspx

heres a link to an ICM calculator although i think theres one at sngegt

http://www.chillin411.com/icmcalc.php

also ive heard good things about www.sngicons.com as a training site for sngs but havnt tried it. WPT champ jonathan little is chief instructor there and hes pretty sick good at sngs. If you are a cardrunners member watch actionjeffs sng vids. they are a must. Id join up for cardrunners just to watch these vids actually.

hope that helped, i wasnt expecting my first post to be this long

Excellent beginning to your Boards career. Thanks for the links

HoLLLLLaments · 06-12-2007 05:54PM

nicnicnic wrote: »

great post and welcome, that betfair 110% sounds good and I kind of see what there at ie a traffic push anymore details. starting playing these with a + 11 roi could get my juices flowing for them again

i cant remember all the details, a buddy told be about it on msn. i think its like 50% for 30$-50$,70% for 50$-100$ 110% for 100$ plus or something like that. when he comes on msn ill pm u link.

dannydiamond · 06-12-2007 05:58PM

BIGMICKG wrote: »

alot of the best online mtt players prefer sngs to cash

Surely this is more reason not to play them..

That 110% deal on betfair is a bit of a catch 22 as there's very little traffic for sngs on the site even at peak times,also the standard of the average sng player there is good even at the lower levels.

Headspace · 06-12-2007 06:39PM

My roi in the 200's on i-poker is 30%, I can play 4 at a time 30% of 200 = 60 multiply 4 = 240 pr hour not bad if I do say so myself. I find cash twice as monotonous I know how to beat cash but find it so boring I do stupid things and am a losing player. The games on i-poker can not stay that juicy much longer I think there have even been improvements in the standard in the last few months. I have read articles about playing loose in the begining to try to build a stack but for me basic strategy works right up to the 1k's. maybe I'll see u at the 200's soon Max!

HoLLLLLaments · 06-12-2007 06:48PM

Headspace wrote: »

My roi in the 200's on i-poker is 30%, I can play 4 at a time 30% of 200 = 60 multiply 4 = 240 pr hour not bad if I do say so myself. I find cash twice as monotonous I know how to beat cash but find it so boring I do stupid things and am a losing player. The games on i-poker can not stay that juicy much longer I think there have even been improvements in the standard in the last few months. I have read articles about playing loose in the begining to try to build a stack but for me basic strategy works right up to the 1k's.

i dont play on ipoker but that is amazing. are the games really that soft? how big of a sample is this 30% roi on? 4 tabling 200s and maintaing a 30% roi is really really amazing. dont take this the wrong way but i think your running quite a bit above expectation.

lots of players can play with a lag style in the early stages of sngs and be successful. playing a tag style is optimal though. the key is how you play the bubble and if you play the right strategy for it.

eagle eye · 06-12-2007 06:52PM

the_venetian is the man for sit'n'go's, he has played almost 38,000 this year at a 21 dollar average buy-in for a cool 8% roi resulting in a profit of $65k on stars.

BIGMICKG · 06-12-2007 06:55PM

30% roi at $200 sngs is nowhere near sustainable!! any experienced sng player will agree with me on that. now u dont say how many games this is over but i doubt it is over a few hundred

BIGMICKG · 06-12-2007 06:56PM

eagle eye wrote: »

the_venetian is the man for sit'n'go's, he has played almost 38,000 this year at a 21 dollar average buy-in for a cool 8% roi resulting in a profit of $65k on stars.

far better out there than him man. notice his av. buy in is only $21 i think that says enough

The Improver · 06-12-2007 06:57PM

I've been playing sng's for a long time but i never kept stats on myself, i used to play on b2b and found it ok but very slow for tables to fill up. I am now playing on stars since yesterday playing 3-4 tables including mtt.I am off to an ok start as i am up about 200 bucks, but i would like to start keeping stats, but i am woundering is there a site that can do this for me?
Also i have never used anything like pokertracker on sng's.
Any sugestions would be appreciated.

BIGMICKG · 06-12-2007 07:02PM

The Improver wrote: »

I've been playing sng's for a long time but i never kept stats on myself, i used to play on b2b and found it ok but very slow for tables to fill up. I am now playing on stars since yesterday playing 3-4 tables including mtt.I am off to an ok start as i am up about 200 bucks, but i would like to start keeping stats, but i am woundering is there a site that can do this for me?
Also i have never used anything like pokertracker on sng's.
Any sugestions would be appreciated.

sharkscope.com

HoLLLLLaments · 06-12-2007 07:05PM

The Improver wrote: »

I've been playing sng's for a long time but i never kept stats on myself, i used to play on b2b and found it ok but very slow for tables to fill up. I am now playing on stars since yesterday playing 3-4 tables including mtt.I am off to an ok start as i am up about 200 bucks, but i would like to start keeping stats, but i am woundering is there a site that can do this for me?
Also i have never used anything like pokertracker on sng's.
Any sugestions would be appreciated.

With Poker tracker you have to input the tournament summaries manually but there are programmes that will grab them for you now.

but http://www.tourneymanager.net/ is the best tracking software for sngs

eagle eye · 06-12-2007 07:06PM

BIGMICKG wrote: »

far better out there than him man. notice his av. buy in is only $21 i think that says enough

notice something else as well, he has an 8% roi, and stars has 10% for just letting him play.

HoLLLLLaments · 06-12-2007 07:07PM

eagle eye wrote: »

the_venetian is the man for sit'n'go's, he has played almost 38,000 this year at a 21 dollar average buy-in for a cool 8% roi resulting in a profit of $65k on stars.

8%roi isnt near the best for 21$ avg buy in. since hes made 65k this year and im assuming hes still playing avg 21$ bi hes probably a recreational player or has some outside leaks.

eagle eye · 06-12-2007 07:11PM

HoLLLLLaments wrote: »

8%roi isnt near the best for 21$ avg buy in. since hes made 65k this year and im assuming hes still playing avg 21$ bi hes probably a recreational player or has some outside leaks.

I'd find it hard to believe that you could call averaging over 100 sit n go's per day a recreational activity.

HoLLLLLaments · 06-12-2007 07:17PM

eagle eye wrote: »

I'd find it hard to believe that you could call averaging over 100 sit n go's per day a recreational activity.

he probably has some outsike leaks then if hes playing for a living and isnt moving above avg 20$ bi.
do you know this player? if you do perhaps you could enlighten us to the reason?

Headspace · 06-12-2007 07:23PM

HoLLLLLaments wrote: »

i dont play on ipoker but that is amazing. are the games really that soft? how big of a sample is this 30% roi on? 4 tabling 200s and maintaing a 30% roi is really really amazing. dont take this the wrong way but i think your running quite a bit above expectation.

lots of players can play with a lag style in the early stages of sngs and be successful. playing a tag style is optimal though. the key is how you play the bubble and if you play the right strategy for it.

You can check my stats avg roi 15% click on my name and sharkscope gives extra stats. you will see i am a looser in the 500's but avg roi for the 200's is just under 30%. Had a major down swing last week but check for ur self my name on i-poker is "9810head123" You can see last weeks down swing on my profit graph, my roi in 200"s was over 40% before last week. I was going for a star before christmas but that will not happen now. Best sng plr on i-poker is Gods Teacher for the volume he puts in his roi is amazing I keep my roi high because of small volume

delanec8 · 06-12-2007 09:20PM

Headspace wrote: »

You can check my stats avg roi 15% click on my name and sharkscope gives extra stats. you will see i am a looser in the 500's but avg roi for the 200's is just under 30%. Had a major down swing last week but check for ur self my name on i-poker is "9810head123" You can see last weeks down swing on my profit graph, my roi in 200"s was over 40% before last week. I was going for a star before christmas but that will not happen now. Best sng plr on i-poker is Gods Teacher for the volume he puts in his roi is amazing I keep my roi high because of small volume

Well done but 160 games is far too small a total to get a true reflection of your ROI, and in the spirit of the recent cock measuring that has been going on recently in the poker forum, i have a diamond star on scope:)

nicnicnic · 06-12-2007 10:00PM

I dont think anything over 10% is sustainable in the current climate at $200 or above and anyone doing it at $100 is exceptional. For a sample size to have any value I firmly believe 2000 games are needed

sickpuppy · 06-12-2007 10:35PM

Very impressive cormac all hu games too making 47 dollars per game is good.

BIGMICKG · 06-12-2007 10:56PM

do u really have a diamond star on scope?

delanec8 · 06-12-2007 11:14PM

sickpuppy wrote: »

Very impressive cormac all hu games too making 47 dollars per game is good.

LOL who be this?

BIGMICKG wrote: »

do u really have a diamond star on scope?

Yeah just recently got it

BIGMICKG · 06-12-2007 11:18PM

nice one whats ur username what games u play???

Does anybody still play sng's?

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