7km of Israels wall blown up

bobbyjoe · 23-01-2008 06:57PM #1

Good, they should get to work on the rest of it.

12.30pm GMT update
Palestinians flood into Egypt after blowing up border wall

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2245407,00.html

Tens of thousands of Palestinians today poured into Egypt from Gaza after militants blew up part of the wall between the two territories in protest at an Israeli blockade.

On foot, in cars or riding donkey carts, Gazans burst into the Egyptian border town of Rafah to buy cigarettes, plastic bottles of fuel and other supplies that have become scarce and expensive after months of economic isolation.

"I have bought everything I need for the house for months. I have bought food, cigarettes and even two gallons of diesel for my car," Mohammed Saeed told Reuters.

Many of the Palestinians, some travelling from the northern Gaza Strip, found transport towards the Egyptian coastal town of El Arish, about 40km away.

Others stayed on the Egyptian side of Rafah and clamoured to buy merchandise that has been in short supply in Gaza, even going as afar as emptying some shops.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 23-01-2008 06:58PM

saw that on the news, awesome stuff.

NeverSayDie · 23-01-2008 07:31PM

I'm pretty sure this was Egypt's wall, not Israel's. You're probably thinking of the West Bank barrier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier

bobbyjoe · 23-01-2008 08:06PM

NeverSayDie wrote: »

I'm pretty sure this was Egypt's wall, not Israel's. You're probably thinking of the West Bank barrier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_West_Bank_barrier

The wall was built and controlled by Israel.

Sesshoumaru · 23-01-2008 08:16PM

Oh its just like the Berlin wall coming down :rolleyes:

Seriously though we don't want those hamas terrorists escaping from Gaza, hopefully the IDF will sort this little problem out soon.

cabinteelytom · 23-01-2008 08:28PM

The collaborator egyptian regime hauled on the levers of power...and they broke in their hands.

bobbyjoe · 23-01-2008 08:28PM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

Oh its just like the Berlin wall coming down :rolleyes:

Seriously though we don't want those hamas terrorists escaping from Gaza, hopefully the IDF will sort this little problem out soon.

Why is it a problem?
Why shouldn't Palestinians be allowed cross the border into Egypt.
Hopefully the IDF realise how stupid the policy of starving Gaza is.

Sesshoumaru · 23-01-2008 08:31PM

It's a problem because for year the terrorists dug tunnels under the wall to smuggle in weapons to be used against Israel. Now they don't even need tunnels. Just walk across the border with their weapons of mass terror.

bobbyjoe · 23-01-2008 08:44PM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

It's a problem because for year the terrorists dug tunnels under the wall to smuggle in weapons to be used against Israel. Now they don't even need tunnels. Just walk across the border with their weapons of mass terror.

What about the problem of people cut off from food, water, electricity, medical supplies, their own land, family members, etc etc denied them by the state of Israel.

SeanW · 23-01-2008 08:52PM

They voted for Hamas, whos policy is to destroy Israel through terror, and drive the Jews into the sea. So tough ****.

bobbyjoe · 23-01-2008 08:57PM

SeanW wrote: »

They voted for Hamas, whos policy is to destroy Israel through terror, and drive the Jews into the sea. So tough ****.

By the collective punishment of Civilians women and children.

Ray777 · 23-01-2008 09:02PM

SeanW wrote: »

They voted for Hamas, whos policy is to destroy Israel through terror, and drive the Jews into the sea. So tough ****.

To borrow your twisted logic, the people of Israel have for many years voted for parties dedicated to depriving Palestinians of human rights, and therefore deserve every act of terrorism committed against them.

Sesshoumaru · 23-01-2008 09:30PM

Israel has been willing to make peace with the Palestinians for a long time now. Its the Palestinians who think they can gain more through violence. I don't know how anyone can tell me the terrorist organisation hamas is serving the interests of their people by launching rockets at Israel on a daily basis.

bobbyjoe · 23-01-2008 09:37PM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

Israel has been willing to make peace with the Palestinians for a long time now. Its the Palestinians who think they can gain more through violence. I don't know how anyone can tell me the terrorist organisation hamas is serving the interests of their people by launching rockets at Israel on a daily basis.

Hamas had a 16 month ceasefire. Israel offered nothing.
Israel has the right to defend itself but it does not have the right to collectively punish a population.

SeanW · 23-01-2008 10:03PM

Ray777 wrote: »

To borrow your twisted logic, the people of Israel have for many years voted for parties dedicated to depriving Palestinians of human rights, and therefore deserve every act of terrorism committed against them.

I'm suggesting that it's not all one sided. The Israelis have the right to respond appropriately to continuous rocket attacks by a neighbroing government that is committed to their destruction.

I am no fan of Israel, I think most of their responses to terrorist activity are way too harsh. For example, when the current intifada started, it was mainly 10 year old boys throwing rocks at Israeli tanks, and the Israeli response was OTT and most likely contributed to the current mess. And in Lebanon, the campaign of infrastructural demolition masquerading as a war against Hezbollah was, to say the least, unwarranted.

But as far as I'm concerned, when the terrorism is being committed by a democratically elected neighboring government, all bets are off. Some people see a certain legitimacy in, for example, some of what the Provos did as a result of the treatment of Northern Nationalists up until about the 1970s.

But we didn't elect a Sinn Fein government when the IRA was terrorising England (or indeed ever). Nor did our government give them any support at that time.

Like with many modern conflicts, there are two sides to the story.

Sesshoumaru · 23-01-2008 11:08PM

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Hamas had a 16 month ceasefire. Israel offered nothing.
Israel has the right to defend itself but it does not have the right to collectively punish a population.

ceasefire? what's a hamas ceasefire? only 5 rockets a day? 10 rockets? That's the funniest thing I've read so far this year. The usual hamas "ceasefire" is they launch maybe 50% less attacks on Israel and all the usual suspects keep bleating on to Israel to "show restraint" while rockets keep raining down on their cities during these supposed "ceasefires".

Manic Moran · 23-01-2008 11:36PM

I'm trying to parse this. It's the Egyptian border with Gaza that they breached, which had been closed by Egypt for the last while. Sounds like an Egyptian problem.

NTM

bobbyjoe · 23-01-2008 11:42PM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

ceasefire? what's a hamas ceasefire? only 5 rockets a day? 10 rockets? That's the funniest thing I've read so far this year. The usual hamas "ceasefire" is they launch maybe 50% less attacks on Israel and all the usual suspects keep bleating on to Israel to "show restraint" while rockets keep raining down on their cities during these supposed "ceasefires".

Sept 2005 to June 2006 Hamas were on ceasefire.

How many Israelis have been killed by this raining down of rockets?

Sesshoumaru · 24-01-2008 12:17AM

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Sept 2005 to June 2006 Hamas were on ceasefire.

How many Israelis have been killed by this raining down of rockets?

After some searching I found a site with a time line of attacks against Israel since the hamas "ceasefire".

http://www.vegsource.com/talk/pub/messages/6671.html

Some words of wisdom from khaled mashaal

http://www.albawaba.com/en/news/187697

khaled mashaal wrote:

Today Gaza and tomorrow the West Bank and later every inch of the land

I wonder what he means by "and later every inch of land" ? oh yes that would be their stated aim of driving the jews into the sea and taking all of Israel. Bad Israel! you should really be negotiating with these nice people.

The Hamas leader reiterated the movement’s commitment to the calm with Israel until the end of the current year

After searching through google for a bit it seems that hamas themselves refer to this period as a "lull in fighting". They're quite specific that they never agreed to a full blown ceasefire. I don't know why some people here defend hamas. They're nothing but a bunch of terrorist thugs. They certainly don't serve the interests of the Palestinian people, in fact they do more harm than good IMO. Israel should keep them locked up in their little prison city.

bobbyjoe · 24-01-2008 12:27AM

I'm not defending Hamas. But compare the responses.

12 Israelis have been killed by rockets in the last six years.
to
1.4 million Palestinians are living without access to clean water, food, sanitation, medical supplies, humanitarian aid has been blocked, malnutrition among children is equal to that of sub Saharan Africa, no power, light or heat.

skelliser · 24-01-2008 12:29AM

note how fags where number one on there list of supplies!

Tommy T · 24-01-2008 12:45AM

Congratulations to Hamas and the People of Palestine. You have shown once again you will never bow beofre your oppressors...

Akrasia · 24-01-2008 08:28AM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

Oh its just like the Berlin wall coming down :rolleyes:

Seriously though we don't want those hamas terrorists escaping from Gaza, hopefully the IDF will sort this little problem out soon.

Is that an admission that you consider Gaza to be one big interment camp? (like the warsaw ghetto)

Opinions like yours are awfully depressing. The amount of hate in that statement, combined with a complete lack of understanding of the true nature of the situation is truly overwhelming

Hobbes · 24-01-2008 08:46AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

I'm trying to parse this. It's the Egyptian border with Gaza that they breached, which had been closed by Egypt for the last while. Sounds like an Egyptian problem.

NTM

Your incorrect. The wall was put up and monitored by Israel despite it being between Gaza and Egypt. If anything Egypt have said they welcome the open border and plan to do more trade.

It was also getting Critical in Gaza, based on Israels blockade they were planned to run out of food in Gaza mid this week.

Btw, collective punishment is a war crime.

Kev_ps3 · 24-01-2008 10:12AM

I think it great that they broke down this 'wall of hate' built by the opressors. The People of Palestine could starve to death and the jews wouldnt bat an eyelid, or the west for that matter. Long live the People of Palestine, may they someday return to the land of their fore-fathers.

wes · 24-01-2008 11:17AM

SeanW wrote: »

They voted for Hamas, whos policy is to destroy Israel through terror, and drive the Jews into the sea. So tough ****.

Israel actually drove Palestinians out of the country in 1948, for the crime of being the wrong race. This actually happened. There are millions of Palestinians living in refugee camps to this day, due to the ethnic cleansing committed by Israel. Also, they can't return to there homes again for the crime of being the wrong race.

Of course these crimes in no way excuse terrorism committed by Hamas. Just needs to be pointed out that Israel had no real issues getting rid of Palestinians when they had the chance themselves.

Kev_ps3 · 24-01-2008 11:25AM

wes wrote: »

Of course these crimes in no way excuse terrorism committed by Hamas. Just needs to be pointed out that Israel had no real issues getting rid of Palestinians when they had the chance themselves.

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. One could say that some of Isreals actions are acts of terror.

Sesshoumaru · 24-01-2008 11:44AM

Akrasia wrote: »

Is that an admission that you consider Gaza to be one big interment camp? (like the warsaw ghetto)

Opinions like yours are awfully depressing. The amount of hate in that statement, combined with a complete lack of understanding of the true nature of the situation is truly overwhelming

I don't hate the Palestinians. I just think a large proportion of them are terrorists and the rest of the population support those terrorists. As seen in the election where they voted in hamas. What kind of reaction did they expect electing hamas whose stated aim is to drive the Jews back into the sea? They don't deserve all the sympathy that the mainstream media whips up for them, nor all the international aid they get. I wonder what's the point in giving them a state then? We'll just be creating another terrorist sponsoring state overnight.

Sesshoumaru · 24-01-2008 11:54AM

bobbyjoe wrote: »

I'm not defending Hamas. But compare the responses.

12 Israelis have been killed by rockets in the last six years.
to
1.4 million Palestinians are living without access to clean water, food, sanitation, medical supplies, humanitarian aid has been blocked, malnutrition among children is equal to that of sub Saharan Africa, no power, light or heat.

You're forgetting the living in terror part. I know I wouldn't like to even visit that part of Israel knowing that rockets could land at any time. How do you think the residents there feel?

Anyway Israel has consistently said the border crossings would reopen as soon as the rockets stop. But like some spoilt child insisting it has its way hamas keeps launching rockets at Israel day after day. I just have to say WOW! I wish we had politicians who cared for their people like hamas do :rolleyes:

Hobbes · 24-01-2008 12:00PM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

I don't hate the Palestinians. I just think a large proportion of them are terrorists and the rest of the population support those terrorists.

Just like Irish people.

As seen in the election where they voted in hamas.

You need to read up more on what Hamas actually is. It is not just a terrorist organisation. They have various wings. For example that Hamas built most of the Hospitals and schools in Gaza. It spends $70 million a year on social based programs. For example, schools, orphanages, mosques, clinics, soup kitchens, free medical. In fact something like 90% of all Hamas activities are based in those areas.

So if you wonder why the people are supporting them, there you go. Some level of this is proproganda (and some I don't agree with), but it is hard to call them bad when the other side is happily starving you to death and bombing you.

If Israel wants Hamas to stop attacking they need to change their tactics so that the military wing is no longer an issue. Imagine the UK took the same stance as Israel with the IRA. Do you think the country we are living in would be the same?

Playboy · 24-01-2008 12:03PM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

I don't hate the Palestinians. I just think a large proportion of them are terrorists and the rest of the population support those terrorists. As seen in the election where they voted in hamas. What kind of reaction did they expect electing hamas whose stated aim is to drive the Jews back into the sea? They don't deserve all the sympathy that the mainstream media whips up for them, nor all the international aid they get. I wonder what's the point in giving them a state then? We'll just be creating another terrorist sponsoring state overnight.

And tell me .. why shouldnt they drive them back into the sea? Israel drove them off their land .. why should the Palestinians not have every right to reclaim that land and drive what is essentially an occupying apartheid regime bent on genocide into the sea. Why are the Palestinians called terrorists? Israel is a terrorist state and you are blind if you cant see that. Israel also gets billions of dollars in aid every year from the US .. tell me why they deserve international aid while they live in a first world country while the Palestinians who live in abject poverty deserve none. Get you head screwed on m8 .. dont buy all that propogandist bull that comes out of Israel and the US.

purple'n'gold · 24-01-2008 12:07PM

Nothing is ever going to change here unless the United States stops vetoing every UN resolution even mildly criticizing Israel. They (Israel) will only stop acting the bully when their masters and defenders (the USA) tell them to.

Kev_ps3 · 24-01-2008 12:11PM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

I don't hate the Palestinians. I just think a large proportion of them are terrorists and the rest of the population support those terrorists. As seen in the election where they voted in hamas. What kind of reaction did they expect electing hamas whose stated aim is to drive the Jews back into the sea? They don't deserve all the sympathy that the mainstream media whips up for them, nor all the international aid they get. I wonder what's the point in giving them a state then? We'll just be creating another terrorist sponsoring state overnight.

A "large proportion"?! What exactly do you mean? Have you get figures for that? What percentage would you put on it?
BTW, I dont see any difference between an Isreali soldier who on purpose kills an innocent Palestinian person and a member of Hamas who kills an innocant Jew. Except here in the west one is called a 'terrorist act' and the other is ignored.

Kev_ps3 · 24-01-2008 12:14PM

purplengold wrote: »

Nothing is ever going to change here unless the United States stops vetoing every UN resolution even mildly criticizing Israel. They (Israel) will only stop acting the bully when their masters and defenders (the USA) tell them to.

Exactly. Once they have the backing of the most powerful army in the world then they can do whatever they want. And when they have a huge influence over the media that also helps!
Hopefully a Democrat will win back the white house and they wont be backed as blindly as is the case now.

meditraitor · 24-01-2008 12:15PM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

I don't hate the Palestinians. I just think a large proportion of them are terrorists and the rest of the population support those terrorists. As seen in the election where they voted in hamas. What kind of reaction did they expect electing hamas whose stated aim is to drive the Jews back into the sea? They don't deserve all the sympathy that the mainstream media whips up for them, nor all the international aid they get. I wonder what's the point in giving them a state then? We'll just be creating another terrorist sponsoring state overnight.

The only solution is to nuke them pesky Palestinians, then the Syrains then Iran and ..................................................

purple'n'gold · 24-01-2008 12:17PM

George Bush, in relation to the most recent Israeli destruction of Lebanon paid for with US tax payers money (unaware that he was live on TV) “Hezbollah is going to have to stop doing this sh1t”) what does it say about the American people when they elected this buffoon as their president?

purple'n'gold · 24-01-2008 12:24PM

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Exactly. Once they have the backing of the most powerful army in the world then they can do whatever they want. And when they have a huge influence over the media that also helps!
Hopefully a Democrat will win back the white house and they wont be backed as blindly as is the case now.

Sorry, I would like to think so, but it won’t change, democrat or republican their completely one sided support of Israel will always be the same. That is why there is no hope for peace in that region. European people could help a little bit, do not buy any thing made in Israel. It won’t do them any real economic harm (the USA will just pick up the tab) but it will send them a message.

Kev_ps3 · 24-01-2008 12:30PM

purplengold wrote: »

European people could help a little bit, do not buy any thing made in Israel. It won’t do them any real economic harm (the USA will just pick up the tab) but it will send them a message.

Well we did it before, remember the boycott of South African goods? It could work;)

Lemming · 24-01-2008 12:40PM

purplengold wrote: »

Sorry, I would like to think so, but it won’t change, democrat or republican their completely one sided support of Israel will always be the same. That is why there is no hope for peace in that region.

There is always hope for peace. But I digress.

The Jewish/Israeli lobby in the US has a disproportionately large amount of power , and generally speaking, no politician of note in the US can go against them for long and remain successful.

With that in mind, perhaps the only realistic way in which tacit US support of Israel can be broken is if the US wakes to the reality that not every decision undertaken regarding the middle-east is in their interest and that they are not serving their own country but someone else's. In short, the disproportionate power wielded by the Jewish/Israeli lobby in the US is also it's biggest weakness.

djpbarry · 24-01-2008 12:40PM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

You're forgetting the living in terror part. I know I wouldn't like to even visit that part of Israel knowing that rockets could land at any time.

Would you like to visit Gaza?

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

Anyway Israel has consistently said the border crossings would reopen as soon as the rockets stop.

Hamas has offered a truce on more than one occasion. When Hamas did declare a ceasefire, it was broken by the IDF.

Kaiser_Sma · 24-01-2008 01:35PM

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

I think it great that they broke down this 'wall of hate' built by the opressors. The People of Palestine could starve to death and the jews wouldnt bat an eyelid, or the west for that matter. Long live the People of Palestine, may they someday return to the land of their fore-fathers.

This is equally as frightening as the 'all palastinans promote terroism' comments.
FYI the palastinian fore fathers are just blow in's historically speaking, jewish isrealis were there first and have been there continuously since.

The great majority of this trade across the border has been things which have become quite pricey since gaza was taken over by hamas, such as matresses, cement, chinese built motorcycles etc.

Isreals reactions are far too harsh often, but these reactions are a product of the environment of which the nation developed. People often make parralels to irelands formation, but the major difference is that ireland wasn't attacked by all of europe afterwards and on several different occasions.

Isrealis are going to continuosly elect heavy handed reactionary protectionist governments as long as the political climate in the middle east remains the same. The aggresive element amidst the arabs have no chance whatsoever of erasing isreal from the map, it is a fools erand. The most hamas can ever hope for with it's current aggresions and infighting is to make life as miserable as possible for the palastinian and isereali people alike.

Kev_ps3 · 24-01-2008 01:35PM

Lemming wrote: »

. In short, the disproportionate power wielded by the Jewish/Israeli lobby in the US is also it's biggest weakness.

They do have an awful lot of power dont they. Esp when you compare it to the Irish lobby in the US! Some would say 'fair play', they got the power, whats wrong with that? But then you realise that they only represent a tiny percentage of the US's population and this can only be a bad thing. I think their influence of media in general is a very powerful tool that they have, no other group has anything close.

Kev_ps3 · 24-01-2008 01:39PM

Kaiser_Sma wrote: »

This is equally as frightening as the 'all palastinans promote terroism' comments.
FYI the palastinian fore fathers are just blow in's historically speaking, jewish isrealis were there first and have been there continuously since.

Couldnt you say the same about the prodestants in the north? If Ireland ever invaded the north then they could use your theory and it would be ok with you?

Lemming · 24-01-2008 01:41PM

Kaiser_Sma wrote: »

This is equally as frightening as the 'all palastinans promote terroism' comments.
FYI the palastinian fore fathers are just blow in's historically speaking, jewish isrealis were there first and have been there continuously since.

The great majority of this trade across the border has been things which have become quite pricey since gaza was taken over by hamas, such as matresses, cement, chinese built motorcycles etc.

Isreals reactions are far too harsh often, but these reactions are a product of the environment of which the nation developed. People often make parralels to irelands formation, but the major difference is that ireland wasn't attacked by all of europe afterwards and on several different occasions.

Isrealis are going to continuosly elect heavy handed reactionary protectionist governments as long as the political climate in the middle east remains the same. The aggresive element amidst the arabs have no chance whatsoever of erasing isreal from the map, it is a fools erand. The most hamas can ever hope for with it's current aggresions and infighting is to make life as miserable as possible for the palastinian and isereali people alike.

Errrr ... you might want to go back in your history to the end of the 19th century to see exactly where Israel's development stems from and why they have the relationship they do now with the natives. The history surrounding the creation of Israel is not smelling of roses.

purple'n'gold · 24-01-2008 01:50PM

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

They do have an awful lot of power dont they. Esp when you compare it to the Irish lobby in the US! Some would say 'fair play', they got the power, whats wrong with that? But then you realise that they only represent a tiny percentage of the US's population and this can only be a bad thing. I think their influence of media in general is a very powerful tool that they have, no other group has anything close.

They only have this power because the US chooses to let them have it. It suits the US to keep the pot boiling in the Middle East. That’s where all the oil is and their absolute support for Israel (regardless of what atrocities Israel commits) gives them an excuse to have a presence and a lot of influence there. [In the grand scheme of things your average American was traditionally no lover of the Jews, I remember the late Groucho Marx saying that they wouldn’t allow his daughter into a country club because she was half Jewish.]

jonny72 · 24-01-2008 02:05PM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

You're forgetting the living in terror part. I know I wouldn't like to even visit that part of Israel knowing that rockets could land at any time. How do you think the residents there feel?

Where would you rather visit, that part of Israel or any part of Palestine? thanks, case closed.

Anyway Israel has consistently said the border crossings would reopen as soon as the rockets stop. But like some spoilt child insisting it has its way hamas keeps launching rockets at Israel day after day. I just have to say WOW! I wish we had politicians who cared for their people like hamas do :rolleyes:

Of course you will say this, you support Israel unconditionally. Someone has to be that fanatical to see this issue in such a twisted way. To murder, maim, imprison, punish and oppress a whole group of people and still think you are the good guys is exactly the same mentality that another group of people had.. in the past.. ring any bells?

Kev_ps3 · 24-01-2008 02:13PM

purplengold wrote: »

They only have this power because the US chooses to let them have it. It suits the US to keep the pot boiling in the Middle East. That’s where all the oil is and their absolute support for Israel (regardless of what atrocities Israel commits) gives them an excuse to have a presence and a lot of influence there. [In the grand scheme of things your average American was traditionally no lover of the Jews, I remember the late Groucho Marx saying that they wouldn’t allow his daughter into a country club because she was half Jewish.]

Thats what I cannot understand.
Years ago the Jews were lumped in with the communists as part of the 'foreign influence' type, among others.
Today everyone loves them like they were their brother. I think it shows the power of the media in todays society.

Sesshoumaru · 24-01-2008 02:21PM

Playboy wrote: »

And tell me .. why shouldnt they drive them back into the sea? Israel drove them off their land .. why should the Palestinians not have every right to reclaim that land and drive what is essentially an occupying apartheid regime bent on genocide into the sea. Why are the Palestinians called terrorists? Israel is a terrorist state and you are blind if you cant see that. Israel also gets billions of dollars in aid every year from the US .. tell me why they deserve international aid while they live in a first world country while the Palestinians who live in abject poverty deserve none. Get you head screwed on m8 .. dont buy all that propogandist bull that comes out of Israel and the US.

I love how no one comments on this guys post. No negative or positive reaction at all people? I'll take it that since most people are silent..... they silently agree with this person statement?

meditraitor · 24-01-2008 02:25PM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

I love how no one comments on this guys post. No negative or positive reaction at all people? I'll take it that since most people are silent..... they silently agree with this person statement?

Correct and right !;) (well apart from the drive them into the sea bit)

Lemming · 24-01-2008 02:29PM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

I love how no one comments on this guys post. No negative or positive reaction at all people? I'll take it that since most people are silent..... they silently agree with this person statement?

What? Let me guess ... "You're either with us or you're against us" :rolleyes:

And incidentally, I hadn't replied to the original post since I was busy replying to another post and juggling work at the same time. So no I do not agree with everything said, and certainly appreciate the irony in the propoganda comment, but much of what was said was reasonably accurate in its assessment

Playboy · 24-01-2008 02:30PM

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

I love how no one comments on this guys post. No negative or positive reaction at all people? I'll take it that since most people are silent..... they silently agree with this person statement?

What I love from you is appeal to other people to challenge that statement. Why dont you have a go?

7km of Israels wall blown up

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