2008 NFL Draft

Manny7 · 27-03-2008 11:06am

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

The kind of money McKelvin would get would be alot less than Samuel was looking for though. A rookie like McKelvin wont get a huge contract. It wont dent the Pats Salary cap that much taking any of the picks in the first round.

True, the salary cap charge would be less this year, but the guaranteed money would be about the same. Adrian Peterson at #7 last year got $17m guaranteed with an average of $6-7m a year, Samuel got $20m with an average of $9.5m a year. Both are 6 year deals so say there's a difference of $3m a year between a rookie CB and Samuel; I'd prefer to keep the proven starter rather than risk a rookie for that difference.

Of course the big difference would be in the cap hit as you say; I can't find the exact breakdown of Peterson's rookie year but it looks like Samuel will have a hit this year of $9m which is pretty high.

Leaving the cap hit aside, I just don't think the Patriots see the value in picking a corner in the top 10 for their system; Belichick seems to prefer drafting them in the mid rounds (ie Samuel 4th, Hobbs 3rd) or picking up cheap older players (Stuarks, Poole, all those guys who have come in this summer). Maybe if there was one outstanding player at corner but I'm not sure any of the top 4-5 this year really stand out from each other.

tallaghtoutlaws · 27-03-2008 11:55am

Manny7 wrote: »

True, the salary cap charge would be less this year, but the guaranteed money would be about the same. Adrian Peterson at #7 last year got $17m guaranteed with an average of $6-7m a year, Samuel got $20m with an average of $9.5m a year. Both are 6 year deals so say there's a difference of $3m a year between a rookie CB and Samuel; I'd prefer to keep the proven starter rather than risk a rookie for that difference.

Of course the big difference would be in the cap hit as you say; I can't find the exact breakdown of Peterson's rookie year but it looks like Samuel will have a hit this year of $9m which is pretty high.

Leaving the cap hit aside, I just don't think the Patriots see the value in picking a corner in the top 10 for their system; Belichick seems to prefer drafting them in the mid rounds (ie Samuel 4th, Hobbs 3rd) or picking up cheap older players (Stuarks, Poole, all those guys who have come in this summer). Maybe if there was one outstanding player at corner but I'm not sure any of the top 4-5 this year really stand out from each other.

But dont forget not all players will get the same quality contracts as Peterson. McKelvin wont get anything near what Peterson got. As for Bill taking mid rounds that was true of the old Bill back when he was building the team. Dont forget we took Brandon Merriweather in the 1st round and traded the 2nd for Moss. Merriweather is a safety now but will most likely drop back in as a corner as he played there through High School and as a freshman in college.

This year if the Pats are to compete they need to be sure of talent and if Bill cant find it in the lower rounds which Im sure they have projected in their own heads and scouted potential players then he will take McKelvin. Then again how are any of us to second guess Bill as he was always known for taking Tight Ends in the 1st and 2nd rounds in recent years. Ask yourself if he doesnt take a Corner in the 1st round what else will he take. Patriots really need Linebackers, Safeties and Corners right now and maybe a backup running back as Faulk is getting old and morris is a crock. Who knows.:)

Manny7 · 27-03-2008 12:46pm

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Ask yourself if he doesnt take a Corner in the 1st round what else will he take. QUOTE]

Linebacker linebacker linebacker. Although let's face it, it's going to be either a tight end or a guard isn't it

Seriously though, while I doubt they'll take a corner unless they trade down, I wouldn't bet anything against it, like you said trying to predict Belichick's drafts is next to impossible.

BizzyC · 27-03-2008 2:30pm

Manny7 wrote: »

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Ask yourself if he doesnt take a Corner in the 1st round what else will he take. QUOTE]

Linebacker linebacker linebacker. Although let's face it, it's going to be either a tight end or a guard isn't it

Seriously though, while I doubt they'll take a corner unless they trade down, I wouldn't bet anything against it, like you said trying to predict Belichick's drafts is next to impossible.

I wouldn't say McKelvin isn't an option.
Wilson, Samuel and Gay left and Harrison is getting old
Merriweather will probably play more with their departures and they picked up some FA's, but they still need another cover corner to replace Samuel.

Linebacker and Corner are the two most pressing needs and really the only positions I can see a 1st round pick getting used on. If Gholston is gone, then the only real options who'll deliver any kind of value except for CB are OL, DL and RB, all positions where the Pats dont need such a high pick.

jdivision · 01-04-2008 12:10am

Could do with a new RT to be honest but yeah other positions should be a much higher priority

Precociousg · 02-04-2008 2:34am

This is my top 10 for what its worth.
Dolphins: Chris Long, Virginia
Rams: Jake Long, Michigan
Falcons: Glenn Dorsey, LSU
Oakland: Darren McFadden, Arkansas
Chiefs: Sedrick Ellis, USC
Jets: Vernon Gholston, OSU
Pats: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, TSU
Ravens: Matt Ryan, Boston Coll
Bengals: Keith Rivers, USC
Saints: Leodis Mckelvin, Troy State

tallaghtoutlaws · 02-04-2008 11:16am

Precociousg wrote: »

This is my top 10 for what its worth.
Dolphins: Chris Long, Virginia
Rams: Jake Long, Michigan
Falcons: Glenn Dorsey, LSU
Oakland: Darren McFadden, Arkansas
Chiefs: Sedrick Ellis, USC
Jets: Vernon Gholston, OSU
Pats: Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, TSU
Ravens: Matt Ryan, Boston Coll
Bengals: Keith Rivers, USC
Saints: Leodis Mckelvin, Troy State

Falcons would be idiots in my opinion to pass up Ryan as they need a QB alright they could hope to get one of the lesser value QB's in the second round but what if other teams are thinking the same way. With bugger all QB's left in the free agency that you could even think of building an offence on they would be mad to pass up Ryan's talents.

I have tried my own top ten but you know what there are so many good players in the draft and so many gaps that the top pickers need to fill its hard to say there is even doubts over the phins taking either of the longs as of yesterday alot of pundits now saying Gholston again. Thats why I love the draft cant wait.

Dodge · 02-04-2008 1:17pm

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Falcons would be idiots in my opinion to pass up Ryan as they need a QB alright they could hope to get one of the lesser value QB's in the second round but what if other teams are thinking the same way.

I think Atlanta have 7 of the top 100 picks in the draft. Given their pourous O line, its probably too big an ask to start Ryan straight off so they'll probably look to fill their many other needs and catch a QB somewhere lower

agree with your comments on the draft though. This year, more than ever I feel, its completely up in the air

tallaghtoutlaws · 02-04-2008 1:25pm

Dodge wrote: »

I think Atlanta have 7 of the top 100 picks in the draft. Given their pourous O line, its probably too big an ask to start Ryan straight off so they'll probably look to fill their many other needs and catch a QB somewhere lower

agree with your comments on the draft though. This year, more than ever I feel, its completely up in the air

I agree their O-line is terrible but every report you read about the falcons the interests they have are on Gholston or Dorsey Defensive players in general. They need to fill that offensive void from last year and wasting the first pick on a top end defensive player is a waste especially when their biggest weakness is the lack of an offense to begin with. By drafting a top end QB you take a semi decent free agent QB for 1 year and then find O-linemen lower down the draft at least then you still have the Quality QB. Like someone said they will take long but I cant imagine him going past 1 or 2.

It will be very interesting though to see what they do and what the rest of the teams do going to be one of those interesting drafts.

Dodge · 02-04-2008 1:31pm

I'm not saying they shouldn't pick Ryan, I'm just agreeing with your post about the lack of QBs in free agency, and if they don't get somebody Ryan may be forced to play from the off. Unless they dramtically improve that O line, he'd be destroyed. Without being harsh he's not too likely to learn much from the likes of Harrington etc either

tallaghtoutlaws · 02-04-2008 1:47pm

Dodge wrote: »

I'm not saying they shouldn't pick Ryan, I'm just agreeing with your post about the lack of QBs in free agency, and if they don't get somebody Ryan may be forced to play from the off. Unless they dramtically improve that O line, he'd be destroyed. Without being harsh he's not too likely to learn much from the likes of Harrington etc either

Very true. Damned if you do damned if you dont. I cant wait to see what they do. what a mess they ended up in becuase of Vick. Idiot fooking them up but even worse they built their franchise around him. Going to be a long hard road for them.

Precociousg · 03-04-2008 8:20am

Dodge wrote: »

I'm not saying they shouldn't pick Ryan, I'm just agreeing with your post about the lack of QBs in free agency, and if they don't get somebody Ryan may be forced to play from the off. Unless they dramtically improve that O line, he'd be destroyed. Without being harsh he's not too likely to learn much from the likes of Harrington etc either

I totally agree with you Dodge, every QB who started for Atlanta last season got dismantled, primarily because of the state of their offensive line, I think their tackles at one stage were comprised of a 7th round draft pick and a rookie. It would be suicide to throw Ryan in behind a line like that, his confidence would be shot after one season. Thats why I think they should pick Dorsey or Jake Long if theyre still on the board, improve the O and D lines first. Then get your Qb, even if you have to wait till next year!

tallaghtoutlaws · 03-04-2008 10:23am

Precociousg wrote: »

I totally agree with you Dodge, every QB who started for Atlanta last season got dismantled, primarily because of the state of their offensive line, I think their tackles at one stage were comprised of a 7th round draft pick and a rookie. It would be suicide to throw Ryan in behind a line like that, his confidence would be shot after one season. Thats why I think they should pick Dorsey or Jake Long if theyre still on the board, improve the O and D lines first. Then get your Qb, even if you have to wait till next year!

Even if they draft O-linemen it will still take a minimum of 3 years for them to work well in any system unless they are Joe Thomas or now most likely Long. Thing is Long most likely will go before Atlantas pick and how does Dorsey help their offensive problem. Defensively they dont have a huge problem.

15 John Abraham ATL DE 32 TOP 15 Ranked in sacks

And Boley and Brooking in the Top 25 in Tackles.

If they can take long yes they should take him but if they cant they will still find quality linemen lower down. The likes of Long are rare breed guys who instantly command places so the next step is guys who will work well on the line with your other linemen. Even if they take Dorsey and dont take long whatever QB they get will still get minced. I dont know personally if I were Atlanta I would take Ryan and draft O-linemen further down now if Long was still on the board I would take him and not Dorsey and draft a QB lower down. I dont know I dont think Dorsey is their solution at all but thats just me.

Precociousg · 03-04-2008 12:07pm

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Even if they draft O-linemen it will still take a minimum of 3 years for them to work well in any system unless they are Joe Thomas or now most likely Long. Thing is Long most likely will go before Atlantas pick and how does Dorsey help their offensive problem. Defensively they dont have a huge problem.

15 John Abraham ATL DE 32 TOP 15 Ranked in sacks

And Boley and Brooking in the Top 25 in Tackles.

If they can take long yes they should take him but if they cant they will still find quality linemen lower down. The likes of Long are rare breed guys who instantly command places so the next step is guys who will work well on the line with your other linemen. Even if they take Dorsey and dont take long whatever QB they get will still get minced. I dont know personally if I were Atlanta I would take Ryan and draft O-linemen further down now if Long was still on the board I would take him and not Dorsey and draft a QB lower down. I dont know I dont think Dorsey is their solution at all but thats just me.

Thats a fair argument, no question but I just think Matt Ryan is way overrated at the third pick, I think if they want to select Ryan they could trade down and he still might be on the board, its a really ordinary QB class this year! Just think guys like Dorsey, Chris and Jake Long are too good to pass on if youre Atlanta, just my opinion though!

Dodge · 03-04-2008 12:21pm

Ryan certainly won't last below baltimore at 8. Possibly even the Chiefs would take him before that. I'd be amazed if Chicago don't take a Qb too

tallaghtoutlaws · 03-04-2008 12:37pm

Precociousg wrote: »

Thats a fair argument, no question but I just think Matt Ryan is way overrated at the third pick, I think if they want to select Ryan they could trade down and he still might be on the board, its a really ordinary QB class this year! Just think guys like Dorsey, Chris and Jake Long are too good to pass on if youre Atlanta, just my opinion though!

Overrated to what though. What the Falcons need is quality on the O-line or QB simple fact. Matt Ryan made BC look like a national championship contending College at the start of the 2007 NCAA season and got them to the ACC Championship game. He played the back end of 2006 with a broken ankle and is a pure pocket passer. his leadership qualities are what have him as the top QB and if coached right in the NFL he will be up there with Manning and Brady. Look at BC over the last 2 years 2 average backs in Callender and Whitworth and a mediocre WR core. The best Quality of player to come out of BC other than a certain few to the NFL are Linemen they breed great Linemen thats it these days.. If you can find the video of the regular season game against VT BC down by 10 in the 4th QTR and Ryan shows his leadership skils and rallies them to a narrow win. If he played in the Big Ten or SEC or with USC everybody would be talking about him. Vic Carucci said it right 4 years ago on ESPN when he said that you need to be real quality as a player in College ball to be noticed outside the bigger colleges in skilled positions.

I cant wait to see what Ryan can do in the NFL whether its this year or in 2 or 3 years. Once he recieves the correct coaching to prepare him for the pros the guys will definitely be one to watch.

eagle eye · 05-04-2008 10:50pm

I think Matt Ryan is going to become a superstar in the NFL, he is underrated by most as he played with a broken ankle for almost the entire season. He had surgery on that and its now fine.
I think the Falcons have to take him at no.3 if they get him, he could go at no.1 to the Dolphins, and there are plenty of teams that need a quarterback who would be willing to make big trade offs for Matt Ryan.
Thankfully us Patriots are in no rush to sign a young quarterback.

A lot of people are talking about Long, Gholston and Dorsey being the first three picks, but I see Matt Ryan and Darren McFadden being in the top three picks. They are two very special athletes imo.
And with the shortage of good quarterbacks in the nfl at the moment it just seems more likely that Ryan will top the draft.
While there is a lot of exceptional running backs, McFadden is really special, he is the most exciting college player I have ever seen. The problem for him is that there are so many effective running backs in the nfl already, otherwise he would be no.1. At the end of the day the draft comes down to supply and demand, and when you weigh it up, there is a real shortage of qb's and defensive and offensive linemen all around the nfl at the moment.
If you haven't got a chance to see him yet heres a link for some highlights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FCfZoPGEFA

Chucky the tree · 06-04-2008 4:51pm

No way DMC wil go top 3, the fins have ronnie brown, and much bigger needs then Rb. The rams have Jackson, Falcons just got Turner. Even the Raiders are sorted at RB.

As a Raider I'll be gutted if we draft him, i dont rate him. Not too mention his questionable off-field "performances" aswell.

eagle eye · 06-04-2008 9:53pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

No way DMC wil go top 3, the fins have ronnie brown, and much bigger needs then Rb. The rams have Jackson, Falcons just got Turner. Even the Raiders are sorted at RB.

As a Raider I'll be gutted if we draft him, i dont rate him. Not too mention his questionable off-field "performances" aswell.[/quote

You might end up drafting him on a deal with some other franchise which would suit better than getting somebody you don't really need.
Didn't see much of the Raiders last year, what do they need?

Chucky the tree · 06-04-2008 11:45pm

DE or LT. With us sign Tommy kelly we dont really need a DT, but I'd take Ellis if he was there.

I'm hoping one of the long's drops too 4th, or else we can trade with Dallas if DMC is still there. I dont rate Golshton either so I dont want him.

Precociousg · 07-04-2008 7:22am

Apparently the Raiders (Al Davis) really like Chris Long but I doubt he'll still be there at 4, Wouldn't be surprised if Oakland tried to trade their pick, undoubtedly somebody will be lookin to trade up if Mcfadden or Dorsey are still on the board!

eagle eye · 20-04-2008 11:01am

Was just thinking that if I owned the Dolphins I would be planning for another bad season and hope to end up with the top pick again next year. As we all know the biggest name in Florida presently playing American Football is gonna be no.1 next year. It would make sense business wise and also for the future of the Dolphins.
The only question I have is that I think I remember something about a team not being allowed to have the no.1 pick two years running. Is that right?
If not the above would seem like the most sensible approach to me.

tallaghtoutlaws · 20-04-2008 5:32pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Was just thinking that if I owned the Dolphins I would be planning for another bad season and hope to end up with the top pick again next year. As we all know the biggest name in Florida presently playing American Football is gonna be no.1 next year. It would make sense business wise and also for the future of the Dolphins.
The only question I have is that I think I remember something about a team not being allowed to have the no.1 pick two years running. Is that right?
If not the above would seem like the most sensible approach to me.

Tim Tebow??? Alot of people dont think he will even enter the draft as a QB.

And who plans for a bad season it doesnt work on a financial sense or at any level. You say it would be best for the Future of the Dolphins and smart from a business point of view erm im going to disagree. No coach or organisation out of pride or respect will go with another season like that. And no sponsor is going to continue supporting a club with 2 terrible seasons in a row. And dont forget clubs depend on asses in seats and Dolphins fans patience are worn thin already. There are other ways to get the first pick if you are that desperate like trading up for it. Good thing you dont run a NFL club

:D:D:D

Chucky the tree · 20-04-2008 9:33pm

what dolphin player is going to want the 1st pick again? It means there's a better chace of a player taking your spot.

heyjude · 20-04-2008 10:09pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Was just thinking that if I owned the Dolphins I would be planning for another bad season and hope to end up with the top pick again next year. As we all know the biggest name in Florida presently playing American Football is gonna be no.1 next year. It would make sense business wise and also for the future of the Dolphins.
The only question I have is that I think I remember something about a team not being allowed to have the no.1 pick two years running. Is that right?
If not the above would seem like the most sensible approach to me.

Nobody wants to end up with the No 1 pick two years in a row, because it means you were the worst team in the league - two years in a row, but also given that the draft is essentially a crap shoot anyway, it means you get to pay some unproven(in NFL terms)college kid a guaranteed $30m to sign for you and you then get to do the same the following year. A team with a pick just a few slots later, only has to pay a fraction of the guaranteed money paid to the No 1 pick. This is the reason why it has become almost impossible for the team with the No 1 pick to trade it away, because nobody really wants the extra expense that goes with the top pick.

eagle eye wrote: »

Chucky the tree wrote: »

No way DMC wil go top 3, the fins have ronnie brown, and much bigger needs then Rb. The rams have Jackson, Falcons just got Turner. Even the Raiders are sorted at RB.

As a Raider I'll be gutted if we draft him, i dont rate him. Not too mention his questionable off-field "performances" aswell.[/quote

You might end up drafting him on a deal with some other franchise which would suit better than getting somebody you don't really need.
Didn't see much of the Raiders last year, what do they need?

As another Raider fan, I also don't want McFadden as we have greater needs elsewhere and we still have to see what Michael Bush has to offer(assuming they don't take McFadden and trade Bush for extra picks). Our main problem last year and for several years before that, has been that we can't stop the run, a big problem with L. Tomlinson, Larry Johnson and Denver in the same division, we also need to get more pressure on opposing QBs. Kelly, Sands, G. Warren and W. Sapp even allowing for injuries couldn't get it done last year, so I have little confidence that Kelly, Sands, Warren and Joseph will do much better. My dream first pick would be Glen Dorsey, a DT that can stuff the run and pressure the QB, if he is gone then I'd be split between Chris Long or Sedrick Ellis. After the Raiders experiences with Robert Gallery, Mo Collins and Matt Stinchcomb, I'm wary of Jake Long, who some pundits have said lacks a bit athletically, which makes you wonder if he would succeed in a zone blocking scheme. It is also said that Jake Long is a better run blocker than a pass blocker, perhaps because what he has in power he lacks a bit in speed!

It will be interesting though to see how the other draft stories pan out, the Saints apparently are interested in trading up possibly as high as the second pick in order to get a top defender, presumably a lineman. While Kansas City are looking to trade DE Jared Allen reportedly for a round 1 and round 2 pick, with the Vikings having offered their first and third round pick so far.

jdivision · 21-04-2008 2:25am

More that Jake Long would be a better RT than LT, wouldn't have to face as much speed rush. New Orleans will go to six i think, no higher. Raiders will find it tough to trade out, particularly after the hall trade which has most of the league (deservedly) laughing at them. He's the most overrated player in the league along with roy williams. Bizarre stuff going on in Oakland, cornerbacks are nothing without a pass rush and that's what the raiders are lacking. If a team picks Gholston ahead of them they're in trouble

Chucky the tree · 21-04-2008 2:49am

Gholston is another player who is vastly over-rated I think. I'd take McFadden over him anyday. He much better suited too a 3-4 aswell. And the fact he isnt great against the run doesnt help but I have a bad feeling we take him. If Jared Allen leaves KC we might trade with the Pats if Gholston is there.

Since Jake Long is going 1 that leaves C. Long, Dorsey, and Ellis falling too Oakland. I'd take any of them. It makes no sense at all for us to trade McFadden. Fargas was excellent last year and we gave him a new contract, Bush is fit and healthy now and he has great potential, Rhodes did well when he played and again we gave him a ne contract. Lamont will be cut.

We missed Burgess alot last year in pass rushing. Chris long is the best pick, very good at pass rushing and run D too. The only problems with Ellis and Dorsey is both are suited better at UT position and since we gave a huge contract too TK to play there it would be stange to take either of those.

heyjude · 21-04-2008 2:51pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Gholston is another player who is vastly over-rated I think. I'd take McFadden over him anyday. He much better suited too a 3-4 aswell. And the fact he isnt great against the run doesnt help but I have a bad feeling we take him.

I also think Gholston is over-rated, he wasn't being tipped as a top five pick until the combine in which he showed good speed, strength etc, but it seems that while he managed lots of sacks last year, most of them were recorded in just a handful of games, so maybe he took advantage of mismatches to pad his stats. I wonder how many players who move up the order due to their performances at the combine, actually end up being better players ? I'd much prefer if the Raiders judged players mainly on their playing record rather than flashy stats, unfortunately Al Davis loves the stats, hence the numerous world class sprinters who could hardly catch a cold, not talking about a football, need I mention Raquib (the Rocket) Ismail, Sam Graddy, Willie Gault or worst of them all, James Jett, a world class relay team but a poor bunch of wide receivers.

Another issue about the draft, has anyone noticed how all the draft pundits seem to cover their asses when they are writing about players, when they talking about the leading prospects they start off by saying they have good strength, speed, accuracy, etc and then they feel the need to find some flaw(in case the player is a massive bust in the NFL), so they say he lacks agility, finds it hard to change direction, goes down at the first tackle, has skinny legs/narrow trunk, makes poor decisions etc. Looking back aren't you curious what the experts said about the likes of Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Barry Sanders, L. Tomlinson etc before they were drafted ? Well with this in mind, the NFL website has a short video interview with Hall of Fame RB Marcus Allen( http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d807cea8b ) about his memories of the day he was drafted and they showed draft expert Paul Maguire talking about Allen and he said Allen was "not extremely fast", "fumbles like crazy" and he said "don't be surprised to see them(the team that drafts him) move this guy outside and play him as a wide receiver". A 74yd run for a TD in a Superbowl shows he had great football speed, over 12,000 rushing yards hardly showed a player that fumbled often as does 123 rushing TDs, while 6 pro bowl selections, a league MVP award and a Superbowl MVP award, hardly sounds like a player that it was suggested could be moved from running back to wide receiver. We might find the same this year, when some player that is drafted in the first round with some major question marks or in the lower rounds, presumably because he's too short, light, slow etc. shows that whatever these shortcomings, he can play pretty good football. Just let this player be selected by Oakland

RuggieBear · 26-04-2008 2:09pm

so is this live anywhere on tv/internet?

Chucky the tree · 26-04-2008 2:30pm

sky sports 3 8pm - 12, so just showing the first round.

RuggieBear · 26-04-2008 2:44pm

cheers. didn't see it advertised or on my guide.

eagle eye · 26-04-2008 3:59pm

heyjude wrote: »

Nobody wants to end up with the No 1 pick two years in a row, because it means you were the worst team in the league - two years in a row, but also given that the draft is essentially a crap shoot anyway, it means you get to pay some unproven(in NFL terms)college kid a guaranteed $30m to sign for you and you then get to do the same the following year. A team with a pick just a few slots later, only has to pay a fraction of the guaranteed money paid to the No 1 pick. This is the reason why it has become almost impossible for the team with the No 1 pick to trade it away, because nobody really wants the extra expense that goes with the top pick.

Do you know who is gonna be no.1 next year? Because I certainly do and I reckon most of the people on here do.

eagle eye · 26-04-2008 4:02pm

Chucky it seems almost certain that the Raiders are going for McFadden. Its a bit of a surprise but I really think they are getting the most talented player in the draft.

tallaghtoutlaws · 26-04-2008 4:26pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

sky sports 3 pm - 12, so just showing the first round.

Just looking at my Sky Box starts at 8pm Irish Time on Sky Sports 3. Draft is at 3pm New York time so it seems yup only first 2 rounds on sky.

Chucky the tree · 26-04-2008 4:40pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Chucky it seems almost certain that the Raiders are going for McFadden. Its a bit of a surprise but I really think they are getting the most talented player in the draft.

We dont need him though. It seem's Rams are taking Chris long. Thank god, if long was there at 4 and we took Mcfadden or Gholston I'd go crazy.

eagle eye · 26-04-2008 4:55pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

We dont need him though. It seem's Rams are taking Chris long. Thank god, if long was there at 4 and we took Mcfadden or Gholston I'd go crazy.

I'm too lazy to go back through this thread but from what I remember you were saying that the Raiders need someone for defence. Its a surprise they would go for McFadden then, but I will say it again, he has star potential written all over him imo. I really think he is the best player in this years draft. While you might lose out on a decent defender by drafting him, there might be some deal going on in the background concerning one of your other halfbacks. I'd imagine someone has to be going if they draft McFadden and you have a lot of potential for big trade among your other halfbacks.

Chucky the tree · 26-04-2008 5:09pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm too lazy to go back through this thread but from what I remember you were saying that the Raiders need someone for defence. Its a surprise they would go for McFadden then, but I will say it again, he has star potential written all over him imo. I really think he is the best player in this years draft. While you might lose out on a decent defender by drafting him, there might be some deal going on in the background concerning one of your other halfbacks. I'd imagine someone has to be going if they draft McFadden and you have a lot of potential for big trade among your other halfbacks.

He has bust written all over him. We were 6th in rushing last year, we dont need a RB at all. And none of other RB's are worth anything. Fargas had 1 good year, just got a big contract, no way is he going. Rhodes is good, but worth a 3rd at the most. Bush has done nothing in the nfl yet. Jordan is going to get cut anyway, so who would trade for him.

Considering a 70 year old women could rush for 100 yards against us it's crazy for us to draft a RB, but then again al davis is in charge.

eagle eye · 26-04-2008 5:13pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He has bust written all over him. We were 6th in rushing last year, we dont need a RB at all. And none of other RB's are worth anything. Fargas had 1 good year, just got a big contract, no way is he going. Rhodes is good, but worth a 3rd at the most. Bush has done nothing in the nfl yet. Jordan is going to get cut anyway, so who would trade for him.

Considering a 70 year old women could rush for 100 yards against us it's crazy for us to draft a RB, but then again al davis is in charge.

Yeah, Davis seems to be the big problem for the Raiders, he just cannot keep his nose out of things and let a coach do his job.

eagle eye · 26-04-2008 5:16pm

Just in.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807f5cbc&template=with-video&confirm=true

Chucky the tree · 26-04-2008 5:19pm

Yea saw that earlier, a trade down would be ideal allowing us to grab sederick elis and a few extra picks.

Problem is trades dont happen that often.

Chucky the tree · 26-04-2008 7:34pm

1. Jake long
2. Chris long
3. Matt Ryan
4. Darren mcFadden

barring trades thats the first 5. this late draft kills the excitemenr of it.

also, the sooner AD dies, the better.

cooker3 · 26-04-2008 10:07pm

Anyone watching this on nfl.com?
The screen just freezes for me when I try to watch it

Neil3030 · 26-04-2008 10:12pm

It's on Sky Sports 3 if you have digital.

cooker3 · 26-04-2008 10:18pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

It's on Sky Sports 3 if you have digital.

I do but I got overruled

Trying to explain to non NFL people why the draft matters is sort of tough

Chucky the tree · 26-04-2008 10:28pm

cooker3 wrote: »

I do but I got overruled
Trying to explain to non NFL people why the draft matters is sort of tough

kick them in the face

Neil3030 · 26-04-2008 10:45pm

Flick over and let them get one look at Jamie Duke. End of argument.

kev_s88 · 26-04-2008 10:58pm

cooker3 wrote: »

Anyone watching this on nfl.com?
The screen just freezes for me when I try to watch it

happened to me too on IE and Firefox so i downloaded Safari as my web browser and its working 100%.hasnt been a single glitch since i started watching it

cooker3 · 26-04-2008 11:43pm

kev_s88 wrote: »

happened to me too on IE and Firefox so i downloaded Safari as my web browser and its working 100%.hasnt been a single glitch since i started watching it

Just got it working

Just in time for packers!

eagle eye · 27-04-2008 4:14am

Bill Belichick seems to have made the right moves. It looks like Jerod Mayo was his man all along in the first round and then to get Wheatley so far down in round two is such a bonus.
And now we have three third round picks, I can't wait. I would imagine at least one more corner and probably a safety to backup and learn his trade over the coming season from Harrison. Maybe an offensive lineman as well. But with Bellichick anything is possible, you just never know whats coming next.

eagle eye · 27-04-2008 5:12am

I would like to see us pick up Tyvon Branch and Oniel Cousins. From what I've read Branch will be a Patriot if he is still available when the Patriots get their first third round pick. He seems like a Bellichick type of guy. He has played corner and could make a very good safety with his reputation as the fastest corner in college football last year. He was also a great help in college to the coaching staff, helping out the younger players and the coaching staff at Connecticut reckon he will become a coach some day. Cousins seems like a guy who could improve over the next few years having only started playing football in 2003 and only playing at OL for the last two seasons.

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