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A New Current model Accord 2.2 Diesel Exec now €38k

  • 20-05-2008 11:56AM
    #1
    what_car
    Closed Accounts Posts: 674 ✭✭✭


    just checked the honda site, a new accord diesel exec costs €38k!


    droped a few grand in price, about 5 grand i rekon,., they were €43k not so long ago!!

    i know theres a new model coming, but... its a good deal...


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  • #2
    niceirishfella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    if you got one @ that price, and got it registered post july on the cheap road tax, now that would be a bargain and good for residuals too.


  • #3
    what_car
    Closed Accounts Posts: 674 ✭✭✭what_car


    niceirishfella wrote: »
    if you got one @ that price, and got it registered post july on the cheap road tax, now that would be a bargain and good for residuals too.

    im considering getting one...i know that theres a new model coming, but thats a lot of car for the money!


    whats the road tax cost on the new rates?

    i wonder what it would cost to trade in my 07 accord type s auto 2.0 petrol
    for one?
    any ideas?

    currently i put €60 petrol in my petrol accord and get 600km ..every week.


  • #4
    Mc-BigE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Mc-BigE


    niceirishfella wrote: »
    if you got one @ that price, and got it registered post july on the cheap road tax, now that would be a bargain and good for residuals too.

    With a co2 of 145 wouldn't it make more sense to buy post July, and not now, as the website doesn't say that the 38K is the post july vrt price. or does it?


  • #5
    what_car
    Closed Accounts Posts: 674 ✭✭✭what_car


    Mc-BigE wrote: »
    With a co2 of 145 wouldn't it make more sense to buy post July, and not now, as the website doesn't say that the 38K is the post july vrt price. or does it?

    no mention of whether or not its a july price. or not on the site.

    i rekon that they reduced the prices now to move on stock, and stimulate sales in a very sluggish market at present. the new accord is released in uk 29 may.

    so it could be a bit of both. the new accord has a new diesel engine too which is cleaner!.


    the honda uk site says that the 2.2 IDTEC has 148g CO2!


  • #6
    Mc-BigE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Mc-BigE


    what_car wrote: »
    no mention of whether or not its a july price. or not on the site.

    i rekon that they reduced the prices now to move on stock, and stimulate sales in a very sluggish market at present. the new accord is released in uk 29 may.

    so it could be a bit of both. the new accord has a new diesel engine too which is cleaner!.

    good point, it might be worth a phone call to find out.

    good car for sensible money.

    BTW you should get 1000km for a full tank of diesel (about 86euro (65Ltank):eek:)


    added: as were on the subject, any pictures of the new Accord (website link)


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  • #7
    what_car
    Closed Accounts Posts: 674 ✭✭✭what_car


    Mc-BigE wrote: »
    good point, it might be worth a phone call to find out.

    good car for sensible money.

    BTW you should get 1000km for a full tank of diesel (about 86euro (65Ltank):eek:)


    added: as were on the subject, any pictures of the new Accord (website link)
    yeah on honda.co.uk site! and prices too


  • #8
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,724 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    what_car wrote: »
    im considering getting one...i know that theres a new model coming, but thats a lot of car for the money!


    whats the road tax cost on the new rates?

    i wonder what it would cost to trade in my 07 accord type s auto 2.0 petrol
    for one?
    any ideas?

    currently i put €60 petrol in my petrol accord and get 600km ..every week.

    work out what you'll save by going to diesel, not as much as u think


  • #9
    Biro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭Biro


    If you buy it now, just tax it for 3 months, you'll then get the new rate. Might get a better trade in now. Just make sure the price of the car won't drop post July. They might be offering the cheaper price now.


  • #10
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,724 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    sorry i dont understand, have the tax rules changed again


  • #11
    niceirishfella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    Biro wrote: »
    If you buy it now, just tax it for 3 months, you'll then get the new rate. Might get a better trade in now. Just make sure the price of the car won't drop post July. They might be offering the cheaper price now.


    Can you do that? Would the car not be "forever" taxed on the CC rate now if you bought it and reg'd it now?
    If you can - thats a great idea.


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  • #12
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,724 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    dont think you can


  • #13
    R.O.R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,731 ✭✭✭✭R.O.R


    Any 2008 registered car can be taxed at the new Co2 rate (if you want) on it's 1st taxation after 1st July 2008.

    Since this was confirmed (in March I think) we've been taxing all cars which will benefit for either 3 or 6 months to get it past July.

    I think you can buy the Accord now for the July price. All the Diesel Sports models have sold out already so the exec's might go soon too.


  • #14
    billbond4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭billbond4


    Yeah I was given that offer on a new accord and was going to tax it at old CC rate for 3 months, then pay the rest of the year at the lower Co2 emissions rate.
    Decided to buy a 04 one instead from the UK, 38K was too much of a spend for me


  • #15
    niceirishfella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    billbond4 wrote: »
    Yeah I was given that offer on a new accord and was going to tax it at old CC rate for 3 months, then pay the rest of the year at the lower Co2 emissions rate.
    Decided to buy a 04 one instead from the UK, 38K was too much of a spend for me


    Hi Billbond,
    landed and all, How much did your 04 one set you back if you dont mind me asking - quite interested in one?
    Thanks,
    NIF


  • #16
    tw0nk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭tw0nk


    Guys anyone thinking of trading in their 04/05 accord for this, I am on the lookout for one


  • #17
    billbond4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭billbond4


    I got an Executive one (without Sat Nav) Arctic blue pearl colour(my favourite colour) with cream leather seats for 21,000e there was only 27Kmiles on it.


  • #18
    niceirishfella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    nice..................


  • #19
    billbond4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭billbond4


    Just out of interest, does anyone know how much would a service cost on a Diesel Accord in a Honda Garage?


  • #20
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,440 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    what_car wrote: »
    about 5 grand i rekon

    3 grand. It was €41.6k and it is now €38.6k. Good value. But be aware of value of the some of the competition after 01/07/2008! Even if those cars don't interest you, they will affect the resale value of your car...
    R.O.R wrote: »
    Any 2008 registered car can be taxed at the new Co2 rate (if you want) on it's 1st taxation after 1st July 2008.

    Correct. You can "opt in" as in choose to use the new taxation system if you bought an '08 car (new or second hand) before 01/07/2008

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  • #21
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,724 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    ah yeah, sorry forgot about the 08 car rule :D

    jeez people seem to love accords on boards :D


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  • #22
    tw0nk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭tw0nk


    Cyrus wrote: »
    ah yeah, sorry forgot about the 08 car rule :D

    jeez people seem to love accords on boards :D

    I know... I wish everyone hated them so I would have the best of the pickings! Was talking to a guy today who said he has sold 5 of them in last 2 weeks, whether or not I believe him is another thing.....


  • #23
    Stephen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,484 ✭✭✭✭Stephen


    ^^ That still boils my piss. Why can't I opt in with my '07 car you tight bastards :mad:


  • #24
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66,440 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    Stephen wrote: »
    ^^ That still boils my piss. Why can't I opt in with my '07 car you tight bastards :mad:

    Yep, very unfair. It will make an '07 Accord 2.2 diesel depreciate like a brick. It will forever have to be taxed at €791 where the '08 only has to be taxed at €290. The labour party originally proposed a much wider ranging "opt in", but the government didn't allow any "opt in" until the recent turn around

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  • #25
    staker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,677 ✭✭✭staker


    was in a buddies english imported 05 accord today.. had everything in it, absolutely stunning car. wanna flog my van and carry my tools in an accord now ffs!!!:rolleyes:


  • #26
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,724 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    funny you dont actually see that many of them on the road, what makes them so good?


  • #27
    E92
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭E92


    unkel wrote: »
    Yep, very unfair. It will make an '07 Accord 2.2 diesel depreciate like a brick. It will forever have to be taxed at €791 where the '08 only has to be taxed at €290. The labour party originally proposed a much wider ranging "opt in", but the government didn't allow any "opt in" until the recent turn around

    See the sticky for details...
    Indeed that has to be the most glaring oversight of the new system.

    Though considering that more than 70% of cars registered before this year were petrol, and if we started backdating it then that would leave the clear majority at a disadvantage.


  • #28
    bazz26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,488 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Cyrus wrote: »
    funny you dont actually see that many of them on the road, what makes them so good?

    I see plenty of them around and carzone has plenty of them. They don't sell the same volume as main stream models but surely a little bit of exclusivity is a good thing?

    Also people buy cars for different reasons because they see different attributes in each. Some people see the Accord, for example, as being better for them than say a 3 Series or A4 and vice versa. Who is to say either is wrong?


  • #29
    groupb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭groupb


    The new accord was tested by Autocar a couple of weeks back and it did very well , easily beating the A4 diesel and only just loosing out to the mondeo.


  • #30
    E92
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭E92


    The same Autocar I read was rather underwhelmed by the new Accord.

    I always liked the old Accord, but I always thought it had ideas about its station in life(as does the new one) and a lot of people seem to have agreed with me on it with the amount of sales they had(or rather didn't have).

    If they offered it with smaller engines and lowered the price I'm sure it would have sold by the bucket load, and it would have deserved to too if they did.


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  • #31
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,724 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    bazz26 wrote: »
    I see plenty of them around and carzone has plenty of them. They don't sell the same volume as main stream models but surely a little bit of exclusivity is a good thing?

    Also people buy cars for different reasons because they see different attributes in each. Some people see the Accord, for example, as being better for them than say a 3 Series or A4 and vice versa. Who is to say either is wrong?

    maybe im wrong but your tone seems to indicate a certain defensiveness? im not having a go at them im genuinely interested, they do nothing for me personally, the look ok in that honda futuristic style but dont seem to have any genuinely quick models? is the interior an improvement on usual jap cars?

    as for an accord versus a 3 series or an a4, that all depends, if its a 2.2 diesel versus a 316 or 1.8 a4 base spec (prob all cost near the same?) then its a much better car, but no accord can really compete with a specced 3 litre petrol or diesel 3 series or a4 but then they cost a whole lot more too


  • #32
    tw0nk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭tw0nk


    Your right there Cyrus, and to answer your question about the interior, its a good bit nicer than the usual Jap car interiors. I been thinking long and hard on what my next car will be and it will be my first really nice car as only now I can afford it, at first I was looking at bmw and audi (I feel im a little too young for merc) but the audi a4 and 3 series just didnt impress me too much for the money.

    I will admit though that the 320d is a nice car to drive and the audi a4 quattro is absolutely amazing to drive but very pricey. For value for money the accord wins in my book, but as e92 said earlier, they probably should have released models with smaller engine size and that would have dramatically increased sales.

    Just to finish off, if I had the money my choice would be a 530d with the m pack, they look stunning and are a dream to drive.


  • #33
    Stevie Dakota
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Stevie Dakota


    I was looking at a loaded petrol Accord a while back, nearly new, took it for a drive and it to be honest I can't remember a damn thing about it. That could be because the dealer also had an older 520i (E39) that I took for a spin afterwards, I was stunned at how much better the BMW was in every respect. Now I know that is not comparing like with like, but the Honda does aspire to BMW levels of quality, but on this experience it was nowhere near.


  • #34
    tw0nk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭tw0nk


    It may sound funny but one gripe I have about the accord is the steering wheel, its too thin, even the leather zetec steering wheel on my focus is better, as a matter of interest, is it hard or expensive to replace a steering wheel?


  • #35
    VH
    Closed Accounts Posts: 690 ✭✭✭VH


    E92 wrote: »
    I always liked the old Accord, but I always thought it had ideas about its station in life(as does the new one) and a lot of people seem to have agreed with me on it with the amount of sales they had(or rather didn't have)....
    .....versus the A4 and 3-series?

    Is that a bad thing?


  • #36
    Biro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭Biro


    Stevie Dakota wrote: »
    I was looking at a loaded petrol Accord a while back, nearly new, took it for a drive and it to be honest I can't remember a damn thing about it. That could be because the dealer also had an older 520i (E39) that I took for a spin afterwards, I was stunned at how much better the BMW was in every respect. Now I know that is not comparing like with like, but the Honda does aspire to BMW levels of quality, but on this experience it was nowhere near.

    Maybe you should drive a Honda Legend.


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  • #37
    Biro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭Biro


    E92 wrote: »
    The same Autocar I read was rather underwhelmed by the new Accord.

    I always liked the old Accord, but I always thought it had ideas about its station in life(as does the new one) and a lot of people seem to have agreed with me on it with the amount of sales they had(or rather didn't have).

    If they offered it with smaller engines and lowered the price I'm sure it would have sold by the bucket load, and it would have deserved to too if they did.

    Can you tell me so why an A4 has ideas that it is worth €6,000 more than a car bigger than it with similar build quality and refinement? And why a pokey 3 series is worth more than an Accord because it has sharper steering? Be honest - you don't have experience with these cars extensively, so you're going solely by the reports of biased English journalists who will never say anything bad about their beloved (overrated) 3-series, mondeo and focus. The Mondeo is good, the Focus is OK, the 3-series isn't worth it's ratings. Mechanically good with a nice chassis isn't enough to give it the ratings that it gets. The 4 pot diesel is very good, but a 318i doesn't come close to a petrol Accord for value and overall feel. A slightly more expensive plastic doesn't make up for a pokey cabin.


  • #38
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,724 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    agree with some of that, but the point is the best 3 series is far far better than the best accord (without getting into the Ms)

    a 335d/i is far better than anything honda offer, now i know it costs €€€€ more but thats why the bmw has the better rep.


  • #39
    E92
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭E92


    Biro wrote: »
    Can you tell me so why an A4 has ideas that it is worth €6,000 more than a car bigger than it with similar build quality and refinement?
    What car is that? The cheapest A4 will be €35,100 from July, according to a guy who sells them.

    Anyway cars like the A4/3 series have a "better" badge, which like it or lump it, rightly or wrongly is a fact of life and that's why they can charge more(whether they should or shouldn't is another debate) for the same car. And if you look at the sales figures, plenty of people don't seem to mind paying for a badge(not that I'm defending them or anything, personally I wouldn't be seen dead in a 316i, but that is the reality of the situation), and they hold a premium in the used car market too, so you're not really paying a whole pile more when you take depreciation into account, which most people tend to ignore for some reason.

    If you want a decent version of a Mondeo/Avensis you're practically at the price of an A4/3 series anyway and those cars will be worth so much more when you try to sell them, dealers aren't going to be too keen on a 2.0 Titanium X Mondeo for example, while they'll love you for having a bog spec 318i to trade in. So you're not really paying more for a BMW/Audi, because you'll get your money back when you try and sell them on.
    Biro wrote: »
    And why a pokey 3 series is worth more than an Accord because it has sharper steering?

    RWD is dearer to make than FWD. Direct injection petrol engines aren't cheap either. The 3 series petrol emits less CO2 than the diesel Accord, and nearly matches it for economy, so you get diesel economy and all the benefits of petrol power thrown in for good measure. RWD takes up more space than FWD anyway, BMW might have good engineers, but they can't defy physics:D!
    Biro wrote: »
    so you're going solely by the reports of biased English journalists who will never say anything bad about their beloved (overrated) 3-series, mondeo and focus.

    Why are they "biased"? Is it because you don't like their opinion;)?

    I have found when I drive cars/go in cars that while they're not always right, generally I find the same things right/wrong with a car that they do. The only thing I find myself at odds with is their relentless love of diesel power(not that is overrated if ever something was overrated).


  • #40
    bazz26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,488 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Cyrus wrote: »
    maybe im wrong but your tone seems to indicate a certain defensiveness? im not having a go at them im genuinely interested, they do nothing for me personally, the look ok in that honda futuristic style but dont seem to have any genuinely quick models? is the interior an improvement on usual jap cars?

    Not at all, I was simply trying to explain that it is horses for courses in the sense that an Accord does nothing for you, a 3 Series does nothing for me either. :)


  • #41
    tw0nk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭tw0nk


    E92 wrote: »
    The 3 series petrol emits less CO2 than the diesel Accord, and nearly matches it for economy, so you get diesel economy and all the benefits of petrol .QUOTE]


    E92, can you please clear something up for me about BMW's....

    This efficient dynamics thing and new engines that is the reason for all these major economy and emission improvements..... is it just 08 BMW's and onwards or do all "new shape" bmw's have this technology? I do a lot of mileage every day (140 miles) and if the petrol BMW matches the accord for MPG I might lean a bit towards a 05 new shape 318


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  • #42
    Biro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭Biro


    E92 wrote: »
    If you want a decent version of a Mondeo/Avensis you're practically at the price of an A4/3 series anyway and those cars will be worth so much more when you try to sell them, dealers aren't going to be too keen on a 2.0 Titanium X Mondeo for example, while they'll love you for having a bog spec 318i to trade in. So you're not really paying more for a BMW/Audi, because you'll get your money back when you try and sell them on.
    That's my point in one way. If you want a better badge and a true step up in overall package, you need to go to the A6 and 5-series. I don't see the point in paying more to get less. Why isn't the 3-series and A4 the same size as the Mondeo/Accord/Avensis/Passat to begin with? Then you can compare like with like. The fact is that if you want similar sized cars with the prestige badge you have to leap to the middle sector.
    E92 wrote: »
    RWD is dearer to make than FWD. Direct injection petrol engines aren't cheap either. The 3 series petrol emits less CO2 than the diesel Accord, and nearly matches it for economy, so you get diesel economy and all the benefits of petrol power thrown in for good measure. RWD takes up more space than FWD anyway, BMW might have good engineers, but they can't defy physics:D!
    It emits less CO2 simply because half the test is in traffic, where the 3-series engine is off. I wouldn't rate that as an arguement for or against a car really.
    E92 wrote: »
    Why are they "biased"? Is it because you don't like their opinion;)?
    No, because we hear nothing else from them in one sense! They have a point of view and don't change it, therefore are biased.


  • #43
    E92
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭E92


    tw0nk wrote: »
    E92, can you please clear something up for me about BMW's....

    This efficient dynamics thing and new engines that is the reason for all these major economy and emission improvements..... is it just 08 BMW's and onwards or do all "new shape" bmw's have this technology? I do a lot of mileage every day (140 miles) and if the petrol BMW matches the accord for MPG I might lean a bit towards a 05 new shape 318
    Unfortunately in the case of the 3 series, it's only this year's cars. It's not like there's anything extraordinary about EfficientDynamics, all it is is a couple of goodies borrowed from hybrid cars(and from cars over 20 years ago); auto start stop for 4 cylinder manual models, the energy normally lost by braking is used to power some of the car's electrics and charge up the battery, lower rolling resistance tyres, flaps which close when not necessary making the car more aerodynamic, optimum gearshidfft indicator, and more advanced engine technologies as alluded to by me in my previous post. It does however seem to give genuine economy improvements though, unlike hybrids which are a bit of a false dawn on the economy front. BMWs/MINIs with ED have been tested by car magazines and they did find BMWs/MINIs to be more economical in the real world than comparable rival cars, as the official tests suggest they are.

    The older versions are a bit more frugal than rival cars, but nothing worthy of me consistently banging on about it;)!


  • #44
    Biro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭Biro


    tw0nk wrote: »
    E92 wrote: »
    The 3 series petrol emits less CO2 than the diesel Accord, and nearly matches it for economy, so you get diesel economy and all the benefits of petrol .QUOTE]


    E92, can you please clear something up for me about BMW's....

    This efficient dynamics thing and new engines that is the reason for all these major economy and emission improvements..... is it just 08 BMW's and onwards or do all "new shape" bmw's have this technology? I do a lot of mileage every day (140 miles) and if the petrol BMW matches the accord for MPG I might lean a bit towards a 05 new shape 318

    I'll be honest here, I think the economy figures are a load of bull. BMW have found a method of extracting an improvement from the economy of the engines that plays exactly into the CO2 test hands. Fair play to them! But in your real world situation, I'd be willing to put money on the Accord getting better mileage. A demo for 2 weeks should give you a better picture.


  • #45
    E92
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭E92


    Biro wrote: »
    It emits less CO2 simply because half the test is in traffic, where the 3-series engine is off. I wouldn't rate that as an arguement for or against a car really.
    BMW reckons that auto start stop will improve fuel consumption by just 3%. That means the other 20% of the 23% fuel consumption improvements that BMW claim are there from the EfficientDynamics system came from somewhere else!

    If as you claim that ASS is somehow singlehandedly responsible for the mpg figures that BMW managed to "extract" form the EU tests, can you explain to me why the 6 cylinder models with ED showed a bigger improvement in the official EU tests than the 4 cylinder models with ED, vis a vis their non ED sisters, when 4 cylinder models are equipped with ASS and the 6 cylinder models are not?


  • #46
    Biro
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    E92 wrote: »
    If as you claim that ASS is somehow singlehandedly responsible for the mpg figures that BMW managed to "extract" form the EU tests, can you explain to me why the 6 cylinder models with ED showed a bigger improvement in the official EU tests than the 4 cylinder models with ED, vis a vis their non ED sisters, when 4 cylinder models are equipped with ASS and the 6 cylinder models are not?

    I can't! But I'd still like to test the theory with a demo for 2 weeks.


  • #47
    groupb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭groupb


    groupb wrote: »
    The new accord was tested by Autocar a couple of weeks back and it did very well , easily beating the A4 diesel and only just loosing out to the mondeo.

    You're right E92. last week they only gave it 3.5 stars and put it 4th in the class behind the mondeo, mazda6 and citroen C5.
    Just looking at the pictures of it and it looks worse than the new mazda 6.


  • #48
    niceirishfella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    here's my angle on it - the Honda Accord 2.2Diesel is king of the Jap mid range diesel motors on the market -

    but to me, it cannot compete against a BM or Audi - maybe i'm just a snob but there ya go.


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    groupb
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    It is the snob in you in the case of audi.I can't understand anyone that thinks an audi is good enough to compete with a BMW or a honda or a ford for that matter. A BMW is a quality rear drive car that generally drives well and has class leading engines. An audi has what? At least honda build cars that are different. They may not be class leaders but they are'nt rehashed vw's flogged by a slick marketing team.


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    Bee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭Bee


    Stephen wrote: »
    ^^ That still boils my piss. Why can't I opt in with my '07 car you tight bastards :mad:

    Because of the knit your own sandals, $crew you mate,we are saving the planet! Oirish Green party gob$hites!:p

    Just imagine sane people voted these amateurs into power and to show how dumb they were, Green party supporters that have supposedly done the enviormentally friendly thing by having previously bought diesels and now are being rewarded( $crewed) by their own party to now suffer major depreciation due to the vrt fiasco.


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    E92
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭E92


    Bee wrote: »
    Green party supporters that have supposedly done the enviormentally friendly thing by having previously bought diesels and now are being rewarded( $crewed) by their own party to now suffer major depreciation due to the vrt fiasco.
    Which is of course strictly ironic because petrol is much cleaner than diesel, despite what the Greens and CO2 tests will tell you.


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