Do you care..

Eglinton · 20-06-2008 07:44PM #1

when dangerous and/or drunk drivers are killed on Irish roads? Personally I don't. Now I've never been in the situation where I actually knew someone that was killed so maybe if that happened my perception would change.

Of course I care if those killed are innocent parties / pedestrians. That's awful. Although I'm not hugely saddened, for example, when young passengers are killed in cars driven by joyriders. Shouldn't have been there in the first place. Simplistic view I know.

Another thing I've noticed lately that I'd like people's views on:

Young Male Drivers: Reckless on country roads, many die; sensible on main roads where know they may get caught by the gardaí

Young Female Drivers: Slow on country roads, few die, reckless on main roads because they think those roads are safe.

I'm amazed at the number of 18-25 year old girls I've been overtaken by on motorways at huge speed in tiny cars. I always drive with the cruise control on at the speed limit but that just never seems to be fast enough for these girls. Do they know the implication of crashing at those speeds?

Rb · 20-06-2008 07:57PM

Eglinton wrote: »

I'm amazed at the number of 18-25 year old girls I've been overtaken by on motorways at huge speed in tiny cars. I always drive with the cruise control on at the speed limit but that just never seems to be fast enough for these girls. Do they know the implication of crashing at those speeds?

You must be new to driving? Surely noone who's been driving a while would be amazed at the horrific presence on our roads that is female drivers ?

There's an over abundance of idiots on our roads, from those who think it's fine to fly through the construction areas on the M50 when it's busy at 100kmph (when the limit is 60 and 50 in parts), to those who think "Ah sure I've only had a few, I'll be fine to drive".
I certainly don't care if these people crash and kill themselves, I'd actually encourage it. There's so much information and cases available on the potential consequences of dangerous driving, speeding, drink driving etc yet people still do it.

I really think it's time to start clamping down hard on these people. Thankfully we'll soon have private companies setting up speeding cameras and liasing with the gardaí to dish out plenty more penalty points and fines to those who seemingly can't control the speed of their car, or maintain a set speed.

You can get caught speeding 4 times on a motorway before your licence is taken away (3 penalty points each time), I'd like to see it changed to 12 points automatically for breaking the speed limit on a motorway i.e automatic disqualification for 1-3 years. Who the f*ck needs to go more than 120kmph?

SV · 20-06-2008 08:24PM

Rb wrote: »

You can get caught speeding 4 times on a motorway before your licence is taken away (3 penalty points each time), I'd like to see it changed to 12 points automatically for breaking the speed limit on a motorway i.e automatic disqualification for 1-3 years. Who the f*ck needs to go more than 120kmph?

Haha.

I do.

jaffa20 · 20-06-2008 08:29PM

Yes i do care. Alcohol is a substance that gives us confidence and courage where the driver is over the limit and does not understand the consequences of their actions.

As for slow drivers in cruise control, they cause just as much crashes. They drive way under the limit and and prevent others from overtaking them. If someone is going to drive on the motorway, please do not drive at half the speed limit. In fact, there should be a minimum speed for people who drive on these roads.

Eglinton · 20-06-2008 08:32PM

ClioV6 wrote: »

Haha.

I do.
__________________
Stupid.

Your signature says it all really.

Rb - Agree with you on all points.

Terry · 20-06-2008 08:33PM

Rb wrote: »

You can get caught speeding 4 times on a motorway before your licence is taken away (3 penalty points each time), I'd like to see it changed to 12 points automatically for breaking the speed limit on a motorway i.e automatic disqualification for 1-3 years. Who the f*ck needs to go more than 120kmph?

Apart from emergency services, absolutely no-one.
I support this change.
I really don't see why people need to drive so fast.

ClioV6 wrote:

Haha.

I do.

See you at the next set of lights after you pass me.

I bet you have a small cock and make up for that by driving a souped up car

Clare_Guy · 20-06-2008 08:34PM

ClioV6 wrote: »

Haha.

I do.

LMAO

i do too...

SV · 20-06-2008 08:44PM

Terry wrote: »

See you at the next set of lights after you pass me.

I bet you have a small cock and make up for that by driving a souped up car

See ya there!

Why mention something like that?
tut tut..personal problems, there's a forum for that

and haha, you don't know what kind of car I drive?

@ Eglington, I'll be passing you at a steady rate of 125km/h ok! See ya there..

elmolesto · 20-06-2008 08:48PM

Rb wrote: »

Who the f*ck needs to go more than 120kmph?

I do:D

Terry · 20-06-2008 08:48PM

Damn. I hate when I'm caught.

Hope you have a crash while speeding. That'll learn ya.

sam34 · 20-06-2008 08:49PM

jaffa20 wrote: »

Yes i do care. Alcohol is a substance that gives us confidence and courage where the driver is over the limit and does not understand the consequences of their actions.
.

thats no excuse. there has been lots of high profile campaigns highlighting the problem of drink-driving. BEFORE someone has any alcoholic drink, they should stop and consider their transport arrangements, and if they realise they'll have to drive, well they should have some common sense and take responsibility and not drink any alcohol. its not rocket science.

SV · 20-06-2008 08:50PM

Terry wrote: »

Damn. I hate when I'm caught.

Hope you have a crash while speeding. That'll learn ya.

I wish you the best with your motoring too.

Eglinton · 20-06-2008 08:50PM

ClioV6 wrote: »

@ Eglington, I'll be passing you at a steady rate of 125km/h ok! See ya there..

Fair enough, if that's how you get your kicks, knock yourself out.

For people that do drive over the speed limit. Can you give me some serious explanations why?

Terry · 20-06-2008 08:51PM

sam34 wrote: »

thats no excuse. there has been lots of high profile campaigns highlighting the problem of drink-driving. BEFORE someone has any alcoholic drink, they should stop and consider their transport arrangements, and if they realise they'll have to drive, well they should have some common sense and take responsibility and not drink any alcohol. its not rocket science.

Nope.
It's rocket fuel.

Terry · 20-06-2008 08:52PM

ClioV6 wrote: »

I wish you the best with your motoring too.

I don't drive.
I tend to crash too much.

SV · 20-06-2008 08:53PM

Eglinton wrote: »

Fair enough, if that's how you get your kicks, knock yourself out.

For people that do drive over the speed limit. Can you give me some serious explantions why?

IF the conditions allow, why not?

Don't give some bull now about it being "against the law etc etc"

I'm all against this crap speeding through estates and towns, an accident is bound to happen and it'll probably be someone innocent being the victim.

But motorways...come on.

jaffa20 · 20-06-2008 08:55PM

sam34 wrote: »

thats no excuse. there has been lots of high profile campaigns highlighting the problem of drink-driving. BEFORE someone has any alcoholic drink, they should stop and consider their transport arrangements, and if they realise they'll have to drive, well they should have some common sense and take responsibility and not drink any alcohol. its not rocket science.

I agree but i think it's no excuse when people come on a forum to talk about how they don't care when people die of drink driving. It's disgraceful. Whether they die from drink driving or not, it is still a life we are talking about and we cannot be judgemental without looking at the specific circumstances of the case. There are so much inconsistencies about what the limit is now. Imo, they should ban it all together as for each person it is subjective. I would not be able to drive on one glass of wine. Plus, what is this whole thing bout 1 hour for every drink before you're sober again. It is this from of stupid advertising that causes misinformation and mistakes on the roads.

Edit: to quote drinkaware.ie

"If you're drinking tonight you might be over the limit to drive tomorrow morning. The thing is, your body gets rid of roughly one standard drink per hour. No amount of black coffee or cold showers or even a full Irish can sober you up faster."

So i can drink 2 glasses of wine, wait 2 hours, and away i go!!! What bull****!

Rb · 20-06-2008 11:50PM

ClioV6 wrote: »

Haha.

I do.

You do realise the Clio is a womans car, right?

Terry wrote: »

I bet you have a small cock and make up for that by driving a souped up car

Agreed. Also, a souped up womans car.

Clare_Guy wrote: »

LMAO

i do too...

elmolesto wrote: »

I do:D

Can't wait for those private cameras

Take the lot of you fools off our roads, but hopefully you'll wipe yourselves out first

:D:D

Terry wrote: »

Hope you have a crash while speeding. That'll learn ya.

+1

SV · 20-06-2008 11:52PM

Rb wrote: »

You do realise the Clio is a womans car, right?

Agreed. Also, a souped up womans car.

lmao

Ah, If I see ya on the road I'll be sure to give ya a wave as I pass you out!
oh and..watch as I...don't crash :eek:

Ohhhh and here's one for ye "FOLLOW THE SPEED LIMIT OR I HOPE YOU DIE!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wh5mQpTOyU

Enough said.

tracker-man · 21-06-2008 12:16AM

for those of you who say you don't care about someone dying on the roads, i understand your thoughts to a certain extent because i once thought similar. I used never take notice of young people dying in crashes on the news, it was on every bulletin. My 19 year old cousin then died in a car accident. He was a back seat passenger and the driver had taken drink. It changed the way i look at the world. Its only when it happens to you, that you realise the pain and trauma the sudden death of
a young person is. Now i understand that every bulletin
has a family behind it, i can feel their suffering. We hear the bulletin for 30 seconds, the family have to deal with it for the rest of their lives. I think you are nieve and somewhat selfish to say you don't care. I'm sure if you think hard about what
such a death actually means you would have a different mindset. And i think if, god forbid, someone close to you died in a drink related accident you would realise that your op was insensitive and wrong to say. Please don't quote me and analyse my opinion, just take it into consideration for future posts of yours.

gixerfixer · 21-06-2008 12:26AM

Live hard Die young

KnifeWRENCH · 21-06-2008 12:28AM

To be honest, if someone is dumb enough to drink and drive in this day and age, I couldn't care less if they crashed died. I would feel sorry for their families, of course, but I could not feel sorry that the person died when it was their own fault.

tracker-man · 21-06-2008 12:37AM

in my cousin's case though, it wasn't himself that was driving. I understand where you're coming from but for some reason, young adults seem to think they are invincible and when they go thrill seeking its often in a car
speeding down the road. They never think anything will happen to them, they think they are in full control but it only takes something to throw you off and bang. Your dead. No one should even consider drinking and driving because you're not just going to kill yourself, but also passengers, pedestrians, and drivers of other vehicles. Why do it? Its just not worth it.

Rb · 21-06-2008 12:48AM

ClioV6 wrote: »

lmao

Ah, If I see ya on the road I'll be sure to give ya a wave as I pass you out!

You women should be paying attention to the road and not waving, doing your makeup etc.

SV · 21-06-2008 12:51AM

Rb wrote: »

You women should be paying attention to the road and not waving, doing your makeup etc.

That's true I suppose...

I mean we are travelling at unbelievably high speeds :eek:

lol..

Rb · 21-06-2008 12:52AM

tracker-man wrote: »

for those of you who say you don't care about someone dying on the roads, i understand your thoughts to a certain extent because i once thought similar. I used never take notice of young people dying in crashes on the news, it was on every bulletin. My 19 year old cousin then died in a car accident. He was a back seat passenger and the driver had taken drink. It changed the way i look at the world. Its only when it happens to you, that you realise the pain and trauma the sudden death of
a young person is. Now i understand that every bulletin
has a family behind it, i can feel their suffering. We hear the bulletin for 30 seconds, the family have to deal with it for the rest of their lives. I think you are nieve and somewhat selfish to say you don't care. I'm sure if you think hard about what
such a death actually means you would have a different mindset. And i think if, god forbid, someone close to you died in a drink related accident you would realise that your op was insensitive and wrong to say. Please don't quote me and analyse my opinion, just take it into consideration for future posts of yours.

Why did your cousin get into a car with a drunk driver?

I don't really see how this should "change your outlook" tbh, you can sympathise with the victims families whilst still thinking drink drivers (or those who get into the car with them) are f*cking idiots.

My brother could have been killed when he went into a corner too fast out near Carlow, just about dodged a head on collision with a Range Rover coming up the opposite way and instead ploughed into the side of a Subaru. Luckily he wasn't, but he's still a f*cking idiot for not watching his speed on such a dangerous road.

Rb · 21-06-2008 12:54AM

ClioV6 wrote: »

That's true I suppose...

I mean we are travelling at unbelievably high speeds :eek:

lol..

God I can't wait to see you people getting f*cked over by the privatisation of the speed cameras. I hope there's a gatso on every road in the country, would have you and your fellow boy/girl-in-a-banger-racer types off our roads so quickly.

DanGerMus · 21-06-2008 01:26AM

Not that i condone speeding but it's never the single factor. It's the dangerous inconsiderate driving that is the real problem. Like people over taking on busy single lane roads with a solid line.
I had a shocking experience recently where three seperate cars litterally risked death and also my life overtaking on a busy single lane road. It was a Saturday around 11am on the road from ennis to galway.

The one real bad one was where this guy in an old corolla tried to overtake 3 cars and a bus coming up to a bad bend. luckily the road had a bit of a hard shoulder cos i had to give way ,i was just behind the bus, to this complete idiot who swerved in on top of me to avoid a head on collision. And then completely unphased by his near death experience overtook the bus, which i might add was travelling at the speed limit, on a left hand bend with a solid line. Moron.
I watched him continue to race his car ahead of me for the rest of my journey i took him 20mins to get 8 cars ahead of me.

By the time i got to oranmore roundabout he was about 5 seconds ahead of me. Way to go risk peoples lives for an extra 5 seconds buddy.

Do i care if this ****er dies? NO.

Danbo! · 21-06-2008 01:38AM

ClioV6 wrote: »

oh and..watch as I...don't crash :eek:

Its this sort of attitude that causes a lot of trouble on our road. People who think they are perfect drivers and wont crash. Nobody is a perfect driver. I know to attack the post and not the poster, so id like to say that I think your post is absolute idiot with sh*t for brains.

Also, people who think speed laws are ridiculous because speed isnt the only factor in all accidents. So maybe not all accidents, but its a factor in a lot of accidents, usually mixed with careless and overconfident driving.

Rb · 21-06-2008 01:45AM

noblestee wrote: »

Its this sort of attitude that causes a lot of trouble on our road. People who think they are perfect drivers and wont crash. Nobody is a perfect driver. I know to attack the post and not the poster, so id like to say that I think your post is absolute idiot with sh*t for brains.

Also, people who think speed laws are ridiculous because speed isnt the only factor in all accidents. So maybe not all accidents, but its a factor in a lot of accidents, usually mixed with careless and overconfident driving.

Fully agree.

sam34 · 21-06-2008 08:09AM

Rb wrote: »

Why did your cousin get into a car with a drunk driver?
QUOTE]

+1, people need to take responsibility for their own actions. if your buddy has been drinking, dont get into the car with them, and also try and dissuade them from driving themselves.

a while back, a friend of mine was polluted drunk, and was after a fight with someone else. he was pure bull-headed and was intent on getting into the car and driving home (which was 50, yes 50, miles away on a badly lit road. nothing would talk him out of it, until i said i would ring the cops and give his name and car details if he drove. he challenged me and said "you wouldnt dare", so i took out the phone in front of him and rang directory enquiries for the local station number. i think he realised at that stage that i would go ahead with it, and he gave up and handed over the keys.

i would have phoned the cops and shopped him, no problem. i dont care that he would have ended up with a conviction and off the road. as far as i was concerned, he was a danger to himself and others driving in that condition, and needed to be stopped.

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