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Graphite Shafts

  • 28-07-2008 3:17pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,299 ✭✭✭


    Can someone please explain to me what the difference is between Stiff and regular graphite shafts?

    Also i'm playing off of 21 and can never seem to get a score good enough to get my handicap reduced! I feel my handicap is an embarassment and always seem to score 34 or 35 points but never anything better!:eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,453 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    "Flex" refers to the ability of a golf shaft to bend as forces are applied to it during the golf swing.

    Those forces are generated by the type of swing that you have - fast or slow, smooth or jerky.

    There are five generally used ratings for shaft flex: Extra Stiff, Stiff, Regular, Senior and Ladies, usually denoted by the letters X, S, R, A and L ("A" is used for Senior because this flex was originally called "amateur").

    Having a flex that doesn't match the needs of your swing will result in the clubface being misaligned at impact, causing your shots to go off-target.

    Shaft flex impacts, either directly or indirectly, the accuracy, trajectory and distance of your shot. Three pretty important things, eh?

    As the shaft flexes throughout the swing, the position of the clubhead changes. And the face of the club must be square (perfectly straight) at impact to get the most out of the shot. If you have the wrong flex for your swing, there is less chance that you'll make contact with the ball with the clubface in a square position.

    Some General Guidelines

    The degree of flex in your club shafts is something you control. You can choose to buy stiffer shafts, or softer shafts, depending on your needs.

    But how can you tell what you need? Here are some general guidelines:

    • Take a look at the distance you hit your driver. This is a good, but very general, indicator. If you carry you driver 250 yards or more, go with Stiff; 230-250 yards, Regular; 200-230 yards, Senior; less than 200 yards, Ladies. Only the biggest of the big hitters is going to need Extra Stiff. For most of us, Extra Stiff isn't even in the picture.

    • If you have a very smooth swing, you might benefit from a softer flex even if you swing very fast. A swing that gets jerky at the top - when transitioning into the downswing - will probably need a stiffer shaft.

    • If your drives go left, you might benefit from a stiffer flex; if your drives go right, you might benefit from a softer flex.

    If Your Flex Is Too Stiff
    What effect does a too-stiff shaft have on your golf game?

    1. The ball will probably fly lower and shorter for any given loft, compared to a properly fit shaft.

    2. The ball may tend to go to the right, or fade side, for right-handed golfers because with a too-stiff shaft the clubface is harder to square (the clubface is more likely to be open at impact, in other words).

    3. The shot may feel less solid, more like a mis-hit even if you make contact on the center of the clubface.

    If Your Flex Isn't Stiff Enough
    And what will happen if your flex isn't stiff enough?

    1. The ball might fly higher for any given loft, compared to a properly fit shaft.

    2. The ball may tend to go left, or to the draw side, for a right-handed golfer (because with a too-flexible shaft, the clubhead may tend to come into the ball closed).

    3. Shots may tend to feel more solid, even when they aren't.

    Macho, Macho Men

    Men like to hit Stiff shafts. It's a guy thing. Unfortunately, it's not always the smart thing.

    No macho man wants to be seen hitting a wimpy little Regular flex club, or, Tiger Woods forbid, a Senior or Ladies flex.

    But overswinging is a common problem among male high-handicappers. Choosing a softer flex often has the effect of forcing macho men to slow down their swings. And slowing down the swing often makes those macho men into better players.

    And the fact is, the harm in hitting a shaft that is too flexible is much less than the harm in hitting a shaft that is too stiff. As equipment guru Tom Wishon has said, when unsure about flex, always err on the side of more flex. If you can't decide between Regular and Stiff, go with Regular.

    The Foolproof Way to Choose Flex

    A club fitting with a golf professional is the recommended way to choose the proper flex.

    The pro will take a lot of measurements, watch your swing, measure your swing speed, watch your ball flight and be able to recommend which flex is right for you.

    Club fittings are available at many pro shops and almost all golf schools and from teaching professionals.

    If a club-fitting isn't in your future, the next best thing is a demo day. At demo days, you'll be able to hit many different types of clubs with different types of shafts.

    The key, short of a club fitting, is hitting lots of different clubs and watching the effects on your shots of changing shaft flex.

    If you find a flex that feels good and produces a good ball flight, there's a good chance that's the right flex for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,299 ✭✭✭slingerz


    Cheers man thats a real reply to my question. Do you know if a golf shop such as Nevada Bobs do that golf fitting that you were on about in your reply? I presume golf fitting is only applicable when your spending upwards of €200 on the clubs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭stockdam


    Pretty good explanations. Most men think they need stiff shafts but unless you can drive well over 250 yards then I'd question that. I usually hit a stiff shaft out to the right when I've not been playing for a while so I agree that hitting straight right is an indicator.


    I think my current driver is regular and I carry 250 plus.......I hit the ball very high and with a slight draw with a 9 deg loft. My old driver was a stiff shaft but I prefer the regular even though I should be playing with a stiff. As was said above it's better to have a flexible shaft than a stiff one as with too much flex you have to slow down and swing smoother. I agree that too firm is bad. I'd rather sacrifice a bit of length but swing easier than have to hit the ball hard every drive. Better players can do that but not me.

    With your handicap I'd suggest you need a regular shaft unless somebody tells you otherwise. There's no standard for shaft stiffness (as far as I know) so one manufacturers stiff could be another's regular.

    Any good pro shop will help you choose (even if you are on a tight budget) so don't be afraid to ask. In fact try several to see if they say the same thing.

    34 to 35 points is playing to your handicap.......most people shoot in the high 20s or low 30s and only shoot 36 or better every so often (then they may get cut anyway so that makes it hard to keep shooting 36 plus).


    Best way to lower your scores is to get lessons and to practice your short game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,453 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    I use stiff shaft woods myself.
    I couldnt hit a regular flex club,I'd pull hook everything.
    I have a moderate swing speed ~ 100 miles an hour and moderate hand action.
    I do not swing hard .
    My natural shot is a draw and if I hit a bad tee shot its either pushed or pull hooked.
    I have to swing very very slowly when using a regular flex driver otherwise I hook it.
    Most drivers on the market have closed heads anyway,1-2 degrees is the norm.
    Manufacturers do this to counteract slicing which is the natural shot of 80% of players .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭stockdam


    Agree with the "draw" biased drivers. I use a neutral faced driver (Titleist) and if I used one of the draw biased ones then I'd be snap hooking everything. I was considering changing from a regular shaft as I hit the ball high and with a draw but I'll persist for a while as it's controllable.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,453 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    stockdam wrote: »
    Agree with the "draw" biased drivers. I use a neutral faced driver (Titleist) and if I used one of the draw biased ones then I'd be snap hooking everything.

    I've started snap hooking alot of my drives lately.
    I've had my driver for 5 years (Taylor Made 320 )and up until this season I hit it pretty well.
    Might have to get lead tape to attach to the toe to try and square the head.
    I hit my irons pretty straight,its only the driver thats hooking.
    Might just splash out on a new driver while I'm at it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭Pataman


    The golf shop in the new beacon in sandyford has a swing computer, that measures your swing speed and angle etc, and the lads will tell you which shaft suits you best.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭stockdam


    Pataman wrote: »
    The golf shop in the new beacon in sandyford has a swing computer, that measures your swing speed and angle etc, and the lads will tell you which shaft suits you best.



    I think the pro shop at Skerries has one of these as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,299 ✭✭✭slingerz


    Pataman wrote: »
    The golf shop in the new beacon in sandyford has a swing computer, that measures your swing speed and angle etc, and the lads will tell you which shaft suits you best.


    Only problem with that is that I live in Cork!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 merc190


    What would you pay to upgrade from regular to stiff or extra stiff? Do you know where this can be done or do all golf shops carry out this work. I got a new driver at the start of the season but now was told that regular shaft does not suit me and i need stiff.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭ImDave


    merc190 wrote: »
    What would you pay to upgrade from regular to stiff or extra stiff? Do you know where this can be done or do all golf shops carry out this work. I got a new driver at the start of the season but now was told that regular shaft does not suit me and i need stiff.

    Probably would be better off trading in the clubs you got for ones more suited to you. Reshafting is an expensive business if you want it done correctly, and needs to be done right. Fore Golf in Naas would do a good job I would imagine, but your best bet is to try some demos on a driving range with a custom fitter/pro and get advice from there.


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