'Water is precious' adds

darkman2 · 14-08-2008 01:30AM #1

I was watching TV and cars floating down a road whilst simultaneously having the radio on. As I was watching this that Dublin City Council add came on on radio telling people not to 'water their lawns'. I cannot believe the arrogance and stupidity of these people. They are softening you up for a water tax. They could not be arssed putting in proper resevoirs. Thats the real problem. You can clearly see that in the last 6 days we have probrably had enough water from rain to last us indefinatley. Yet this Bull Sh*t persists. 'Preserve water' - What a fooking joke:mad:

monkeyfudge · 14-08-2008 01:34AM

Watering your lawn in a country like Ireland is pretty stupid though.

darkman2 · 14-08-2008 01:35AM

monkeyfudge wrote: »

Watering your lawn in a country like Ireland is pretty stupid though.

Thats what these stupid, infuriating adds are saying - stop wasting water - in this country!?

eVeNtInE · 14-08-2008 01:36AM

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Witcher · 14-08-2008 01:36AM

Water is precious?

No more steamy showers with yore ma so :pac::pac:

:rolleyes:

darkman2 · 14-08-2008 01:41AM

Mr Crystal wrote: »

Water has to be preserved because the flooding is causing rivers to be overflown meaning water treatment plants can't take water from them. I'm pretty sure that's the reason why the water has to be preserved.

Build bigger treatment plants- simple. But your being softend for a water tax and the arguments are a load of ****e. If they constructed what we pay tax for already there would NO problem (also clearing the drains might help)....your clearly being suckered. This is Ireland where rain is not in short supply.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 14-08-2008 02:02AM

will you just leave the country?

phantom_lord · 14-08-2008 02:59AM

water isn't free

randylonghorn · 14-08-2008 03:24AM

For once, I don't find myself in total disagreement with darkman2!

I can't believe I just typed that!

/goes off to shower

Xavi6 · 14-08-2008 03:28AM

randylonghorn wrote: »

For once, I don't find myself in total disagreement with darkman2!

I can't believe I just typed that!

/goes off to shower

Use a spunge and bucket you bastard!

MagicMarker · 14-08-2008 03:46AM

This is why i drink my own pee.

randylonghorn · 14-08-2008 04:12AM

Xavi6 wrote: »

Use a spunge and bucket you bastard!

Ah, here ... some of us actually get naked in company from time to time, dude, we have to adhere to slightly higher standards!!

Black Swan · 14-08-2008 04:31AM

Drink bottled water in Galway, and keep your mouth closed if swimming the Corrib! (If you don't believe me about the Corrib, ask Galvia).

SimpleSam06 · 14-08-2008 06:34AM

randylonghorn wrote: »

For once, I don't find myself in total disagreement with darkman2!

Yes, he is in fact right...

cournioni · 14-08-2008 07:10AM

phantom_lord wrote: »

water isn't free

It is when you own a well. Pfft. Stupid townies.

Macha · 14-08-2008 07:16AM

darkman2 wrote: »

I was watching TV and cars floating down a road whilst simultaneously having the radio on. As I was watching this that Dublin City Council add came on on radio telling people not to 'water their lawns'. I cannot believe the arrogance and stupidity of these people. They are softening you up for a water tax. They could not be arssed putting in proper resevoirs. Thats the real problem. You can clearly see that in the last 6 days we have probrably had enough water from rain to last us indefinatley. Yet this Bull Sh*t persists. 'Preserve water' - What a fooking joke:mad:

Water IS precious and people waste it. There should be water charges because they have been proven to reduce wastage. What exactly is the difference between water & electricity? Both take money & resources. Why should we be charged for one on a flat rate & the other one according to usage. If I don't use that much water, why the hell should I pay for someone who takes a bath every day?

The ad doesn't tell people not to water their lawns. Try and get your facts right. Uh proper reservoirs? Newsflash: the GDA has serious watershortages and it looks like we have only 2 options: desalination plant or water from Lough Derg. Seriously try and do a bit of research & educate youself.

More arrogance and stupidity in your post than any ad to conserve water :rolleyes:

Edit: Just for those who whinge and moan and cry about taxes, Ireland comes at the top of the rankings for the lowest levels of personal taxation in the world. God forbid we raise our taxes a bit and actually have some decent public services like Scandinavia rather than the mess that is our public transport, health care system, housing, etc

http://www.mercer.com/pressrelease/details.htm?idContent=1287670

RuggieBear · 14-08-2008 07:21AM

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

It is when you own a well. Pfft. Stupid townies.

how much did that well cost you to bore/drill/develop?

Besides there is always the risk that your aquifer comes under pressure if/when the local towns decide that they need more water and develop a well field near you or better yet the big towns on the east coast start drawing water from the regional aquifers inland.

Sam Vimes · 14-08-2008 07:30AM

all the money they spent on those ads could've been spent on reservoirs and fixing leaks tbh

i agreed with him and was shocked right up until i got to the bit about "softening us up". Firstly i think he's giving the government too much credit as a big brother type organisation that's attempting to fool the people en masse. I just don't think they think that far ahead. And secondly, i don't think they'd have the cheek to introduce a tax when large parts of the country can't even drink the water. But then again it is Fianna Fail.....

Macha · 14-08-2008 08:00AM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

all the money they spent on those ads could've been spent on reservoirs and fixing leaks tbh

i agreed with him and was shocked right up until i got to the bit about "softening us up". Firstly i think he's giving the government too much credit as a big brother type organisation that's attempting to fool the people en masse. I just don't think they think that far ahead. And secondly, i don't think they'd have the cheek to introduce a tax when large parts of the country can't even drink the water. But then again it is Fianna Fail.....

Ugh. DCC are spending €130m over 10 years upgrading the water pipes. But studies have shown that there is also wastage on the consumer side-to the tune of about 65 llitres per household per day. Saving water on the supply side and saving water on the consumer side are two sides of the same coin. It would be very half-assed for the council to deal with the problem at one end and not at the other.

robinph · 14-08-2008 08:01AM

Unless there is water floating off into space then there is not and never will be a water shortage, it just sometimes lands in the wrong parts of the world.

Macha · 14-08-2008 08:07AM

Yeah? And what exactly do we do with all that polluted, salty water? Wash in it? Give to our kids to drink? It has to be treated and that costs money.

thelordofcheese · 14-08-2008 08:08AM

darkman2 wrote: »

I was watching TV and cars floating down a road whilst simultaneously having the radio on.

Stop wasting electricity you seflish goon!

robinph · 14-08-2008 08:17AM

taconnol wrote: »

Yeah? And what exactly do we do with all that polluted, salty water? Wash in it? Give to our kids to drink? It has to be treated and that costs money.

Wait until it falls out of the sky clean again and store it all in a big puddle type thing.

mikewest · 14-08-2008 08:32AM

phantom_lord wrote: »

water isn't free

So who paid for the stuff that falls out of the sky ??

gurramok · 14-08-2008 08:37AM

taconnol wrote: »

Water IS precious and people waste it. There should be water charges because they have been proven to reduce wastage. What exactly is the difference between water & electricity? Both take money & resources. Why should we be charged for one on a flat rate & the other one according to usage. If I don't use that much water, why the hell should I pay for someone who takes a bath every day?

The ad doesn't tell people not to water their lawns. Try and get your facts right. Uh proper reservoirs? Newsflash: the GDA has serious watershortages and it looks like we have only 2 options: desalination plant or water from Lough Derg. Seriously try and do a bit of research & educate youself.

More arrogance and stupidity in your post than any ad to conserve water :rolleyes:

Still no shortage of water as we've witnessed record rainfall. I think its investment to process that water thats the issue, they've been trying to fix those leaks for donkeys years but due to either shortage of funding or pure incompetence(like the N3 flooding issue), they have not fixed those leaks yet.

Central government had the money to fix the water issue during the boom and looks like they did nothing to fix it.

taconnol wrote: »

Edit: Just for those who whinge and moan and cry about taxes, Ireland comes at the top of the rankings for the lowest levels of personal taxation in the world. God forbid we raise our taxes a bit and actually have some decent public services like Scandinavia rather than the mess that is our public transport, health care system, housing, etc

http://www.mercer.com/pressrelease/details.htm?idContent=1287670

We have huge stealth indirect taxes that make up the shortfall in personal tax.

tracker-man · 14-08-2008 08:44AM

phantom_lord wrote: »

water isn't free

Wha?!
Water is a renewable natural resource, its as free as free gets and rightly so! how can the government expect us to pay for something as plentiful as water. If charges were introduced however, they should only be introduced after a certain amount is used. For example, up until X litres of water in the week is free, for every litre after that, however many cent is charged.

Anywho, just my 2cents

faceman · 14-08-2008 08:47AM

The average person in Ireland uses 148l of water a day, much of which is just waste. Studies in Ireland have shown that 5 litres of every 10 produced are wasted through individual negligence and leaking pipes.

Its costs the tax payer alot of money to treat water to make it suitable for consumption. It also has a carbon footprint.

I would rather see less water wastage than waste tax payers money building a facility that isnt really necessary at all.

faceman · 14-08-2008 08:48AM

tracker-man wrote: »

Wha?!
Water is a renewable natural resource, its as free as free gets and rightly so! how can the government expect us to pay for something as plentiful as water. If charges were introduced however, they should only be introduced after a certain amount is used. For example, up until X litres of water in the week is free, for every litre after that, however many cent is charged.

Anywho, just my 2cents

Why dont you make a stand against the goverment so and drink untreated rain water, water from lakes and rivers etc? Its free isnt it?

thelordofcheese · 14-08-2008 08:50AM

tracker-man wrote: »

Wha?!
Water is a renewable natural resource, its as free as free gets and rightly so! how can the government expect us to pay for something as plentiful as water. If charges were introduced however, they should only be introduced after a certain amount is used. For example, up until X litres of water in the week is free, for every litre after that, however many cent is charged.

Anywho, just my 2cents

*facepalm*

How do you think the water gets from the reservoirs to your tap?
Think about it.
Think really hard this might be tricky for you.

gurramok · 14-08-2008 08:52AM

faceman wrote: »

The average person in Ireland uses 148l of water a day, much of which is just waste. Studies in Ireland have shown that 5 litres of every 10 produced are wasted through individual negligence and leaking pipes.

So 5 out of every 10 is consumed, how much out of the other 5 is leaked through pipes then?

Macha · 14-08-2008 08:54AM

gurramok wrote: »

Still no shortage of water as we've witnessed record rainfall. I think its investment to process that water thats the issue, they've been trying to fix those leaks for donkeys years but due to either shortage of funding or pure incompetence(like the N3 flooding issue), they have not fixed those leaks yet.

Central government had the money to fix the water issue during the boom and looks like they did nothing to fix it.

You're right aboout shortage of facilities to treat the water. You can't just drink the stuff that comes out of the sky! This type of water is called "grey water" and is only suitable for watering plants, washing machines, flushing toilets. It is not suitable for drinking, cooking, showering. THIS water still needs to be treated by the local authorities & supplied to houses through a piped system. There are alternatives, such as owning your own well & joining a local water schemes. But again, the quality of this water depends on national policies in agriculture & septic tanks. And local authorities are responsible for the quality of these schemes.

It is a lack of investment in our facilities that has backed us into the current corner and also partly explains what happened in Galway. You're also right about the government not fixing this, and other things, when they had the money. You just have to look at Transport 21 & the NDP being decimated as projects are dropped. Disgraceful.

gurramok wrote: »

We have huge stealth indirect taxes that make up the shortfall in personal tax.

Do you have a reference/figures to back that up or is that just your opinion?

DUMBOBLONDE · 14-08-2008 10:53AM

Of course this is a softeneing up exercise.

Remminder, I pay over 50% of my income to the government. Is it too much to expect a water supply.

To even embrak of such a campaign is crazy, shows how far this society has fallen. They clearly expect the dumb public to swallow anything, and as this thread has proven the save the world types jump on anything.

Madness.

gurramok · 14-08-2008 11:18AM

taconnol wrote: »

Do you have a reference/figures to back that up or is that just your opinion?

Too many bills

beerbaron · 14-08-2008 11:22AM

taconnol wrote: »

Do you have a reference/figures to back that up or is that just your opinion?

The fact that you ask such a question is ridiculous, there are topics all over boards.ie (just search) and the independant media in general regarding soaring rates of tax, implementation of stealth taxes etc.

Dont ask anymore silly questions.

Macha · 14-08-2008 11:26AM

beerbaron wrote: »

The fact that you ask such a question is ridiculous, there are topics all over boards.ie (just search) and the independant media in general regarding soaring rates of tax, implementation of stealth taxes etc.

Dont ask anymore silly questions.

Oh gosh yes, silly little me, asking for a poster to back up their assertions with some solid facts. I'm not about to start using opinions expressed on boards as references for my dissertation, nor waffly editorials in awful newspapers like the Indo.

Don't make anymore stupid comments please.

RuggieBear · 14-08-2008 11:36AM

Water supplies are ****ing expensive.

TBH we will be paying for water pretty soon imo

NinjaTruncs · 14-08-2008 11:49AM

didn't the gov. introduce water charges a few years ago and very few people paid, they were then dropped. the same thing would probably happen again.

i_hate_rain · 14-08-2008 11:52AM

Theres something seriously wrong with the water in our area since the heavy rainfall(we live in a small town in Wexford)
Myself and my sister were violently sick after using it- she only cleaned her teeth with, i drank a glassful at 4 in the morning , the thoughts of it now is making me heave. A lot of our neighbours are making complaints too and nothing has been done, I study chemistry in college and we spent months on water treatment testing etc and the water coming from our tap might as well be from a dirty river!
I went and spent €35 on bottled water because i refuse to let anyone in our house use the tap water.
If they introduced water tax they should use the money to properly maintain whatever what services they already have

foxhoundone · 14-08-2008 12:07PM

did you know that the world bank own,s all the water company,s north and south?
also the mainland and europe? conclustion it,s been privatised by us (the tax payer)
for shipment to other country,s . gas pipe,s can carry more than gas

Kernel · 14-08-2008 03:55PM

darkman2 wrote: »

I was watching TV and cars floating down a road whilst simultaneously having the radio on. As I was watching this that Dublin City Council add came on on radio telling people not to 'water their lawns'. I cannot believe the arrogance and stupidity of these people. They are softening you up for a water tax. They could not be arssed putting in proper resevoirs. Thats the real problem. You can clearly see that in the last 6 days we have probrably had enough water from rain to last us indefinatley. Yet this Bull Sh*t persists. 'Preserve water' - What a fooking joke:mad:

Good man, at least you can see what's going on. Had a big long winded argument against the bin tax before.. Look at the rip-off prices for them now. Council are making a packet out of all this ****e, and the government don't care because they don't have to fork out PAYE taxes to the council as much as they did. The working man is being ****ed up the ass in this country to pay for a plethora of wasters and spongers.

Kernel · 14-08-2008 03:56PM

RuggieBear wrote: »

Water supplies are ****ing expensive.

TBH we will be paying for water pretty soon imo

Why should we suddenly have to pay? Subsidising the cost of putting new waterworks into the boglands?

MagicMarker · 14-08-2008 04:00PM

You have to pay for water over hear in Canada, thankfully it's included in my rent so i don't really know how much. But i assume it's just like any electricity bill. Probably $40 a month or so.

Kernel · 14-08-2008 04:06PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

You have to pay for water over hear in Canada, thankfully it's included in my rent so i don't really know how much. But i assume it's just like any electricity bill. Probably $40 a month or so.

Do you get a rebate for pissing in the toilet so?

axer · 14-08-2008 04:14PM

I think people are missing the point. People are being asked to preserve clean water and not waste it.

Water should be metered in Ireland and people charged for the use of it. People's behaviors would change quickly then.

Kernel · 14-08-2008 04:15PM

axer wrote: »

I think people are missing the point. People are being asked to preserve clean water and not waste it.

Water should be metered in Ireland and people charged for the use of it. People's behaviors would change quickly then.

Why, there's no shortage of it....? We've been having floods all summer! :eek:

5starpool · 14-08-2008 04:23PM

Is water not charged for down the country? I am fairly sure that farmers get charged a fixed price for water connections on their land etc. Maybe that is just above and beyond the normal domestic connection though.....

axer · 14-08-2008 04:26PM

Kernel wrote: »

Why, there's no shortage of it....? We've been having floods all summer! :eek:

It costs money, again, missing the point. Would you drink flood water?

phantom_lord · 14-08-2008 04:51PM

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

It is when you own a well. Pfft. Stupid townies.

lol no it's not. u have to pump the water in from the well, i should know i have one

phantom_lord · 14-08-2008 04:52PM

tracker-man wrote: »

Wha?!
Water is a renewable natural resource, its as free as free gets and rightly so! how can the government expect us to pay for something as plentiful as water. If charges were introduced however, they should only be introduced after a certain amount is used. For example, up until X litres of water in the week is free, for every litre after that, however many cent is charged.

Anywho, just my 2cents

mikewest wrote: »

So who paid for the stuff that falls out of the sky ??

lolz

BroomBurner · 14-08-2008 05:10PM

Water itself is free, but it needs to be treated in order for it to be safe to consume. This is for a number of reasons:
- leachate of agricultural fertilisers and pesticides (the biggest reason in Ireland)
- secondary water from industrial processes which contain heavy metals, etc.,
- Grey water, as previously explained
- Dead animals, etc.
- Waste dumped illegally, both solids and liquids

All of this costs money. Not to mention the chlorine/lime for bacteria/pH balance and flouride (which I personally disagree with) that is added. Also, all of this requires staff, so you have to factor in several wages, at several different levels - engineering, construction, maintenance crew. These waters are then tested on a regular basis, which means more money spent on contractors to take the samples and analyse them, etc.

On where this money comes from, Central Government have been steadily reducing the amount of money they are giving to Local AUthorities and to the EPA, meaning that a lot of services are now being absorbed by other projects that would have received much more funding.

Ireland, while not being able to manage taxes adequately (IMO), we still have some of the lowest income taxes in Europe. I would whole heartedly pay more taxes if I knew the money was going to be spent adequately and efficiently, unlike the current circumstance. I would also be happy to pay for a metered water supply so long as the meter was located in my water tank, or as close as possible to it (otherwise, I would wonder about the cost of leaks...) and also if the service was fair and adequately maintained (i.e. the Galway situation should never arise).

FX Meister · 14-08-2008 05:13PM

boring!

'Water is precious' adds

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