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PES 2009 General Excitement Thread

  • 06-10-2008 01:34PM
    #1
    RandolphEsq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭


    Cannot wait. I am looking at every pic and game clip on the net and I am so so excited at this new game. Downloaded the demo and it is fantastic. It really looks authentic and certainly plays the part.
    Anyone know what the various game shops will sell the game for?


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  • #2
    Otacon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,721 ✭✭✭Otacon


    While the demo display the improved gameplay and framerate strenght, its the online mode that will be the kicker for me.

    Right now, I am leaning towards 09, I just need to see the online mode is impeccible before I buy...


  • #3
    chavezychavez
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 963 ✭✭✭chavezychavez


    Played a good bit of the demo over the weekend, and getting to really like it.
    A few of the lads I know who are die hard FIFA fans, are actually going to buy it as well as FIFA this year.

    Gameplay is well suited for 1v1. No more full pitch through balls and 6-5 scorelines. Its slowed down just enough to stop that.

    But as the last poster mentioned, the online will need to be perfect to cement the decision to buy.


  • #4
    whiskeyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    Liking the PC version.
    Hated PES2008, and I know it's going to take a lot to pull me away from PES06, but I think this just might be it.
    Shot and volley power just doesn't feel as strong / fast though as I'd like.
    Some of the movement is very clunky and a bit too robotic.
    That said, I can't wait for a full patched PES09.
    As much as gameplay is important, it is nice to have tasty graphics (especially as I have a powerful machine to use them!).

    I don't care for online play at all though.


  • #5
    estebancambias
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭estebancambias


    Loving it, not a revolution at all in the series but with the edit mode back and the demo becoming addictive I cannot wait...I hope i can get it early.


  • #6
    m83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭m83


    Can this thread be renamed? Fanboys 'r us

    I wish i was capable of being excited by this sort of drivel but alas i demand value for my hard earned money.


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  • #7
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,791 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    m83 wrote: »
    Can this thread be renamed? Fanboys 'r us

    I wish i was capable of being excited by this sort of drivel but alas i demand value for my hard earned money.

    why rename the thread - it is quite clear from the title it is for people who are excited about the forthcoming release. If you are not excited about it, no one cares and your patronising comments are not needed or wanted.


  • #8
    s_carnage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭s_carnage


    If you dislike PES so much why do you repeatly come back to this forum?? Bit of an argumentative side to you???

    Anyways back to a slighter more important matter...PES. I for one cannot wait for the full release of the game. 5 minute matches just are not long enough. Think a half hour match is in order once the game is released!!


  • #9
    m83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭m83


    s_carnage wrote: »
    If you dislike PES so much why do you repeatly come back to this forum?? Bit of an argumentative side to you???

    Anyways back to a slighter more important matter...PES. I for one cannot wait for the full release of the game. 5 minute matches just are not long enough. Think a half hour match is in order once the game is released!!

    I'm here til we get a fifa forum, deal with it.

    I've been pro evo all my life but i'm just sick of it this year. It's time people stood up and told konami to pull the finger out and deliver the game they've been promising for years.


  • #10
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,791 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    m83 wrote: »
    I'm here til we get a fifa forum, deal with it.

    I've been pro evo all my life but i'm just sick of it this year. It's time people stood up and told konami to pull the finger out and deliver the game they've been promising for years.

    I guess I'll go into the Spurs Supporters forum and start chatting about the latest United game. Or perhaps I'll go into the Lost forum and chats about Fringe. Maybe after that I will go into the Metal Gear Solid forum and start a few discussions on Splinter Cell. Hmmm, lets all start discussions and argue the toss in the wrong forums. GREAT IDEA.

    If you are sick of Pro, fine, no freakin need to be patronising in a thread that CLEARLY isn't suited to you. If there is no fifa forum, either use the GAMES forum (here, i'll even help you: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=12) or go request a FIFA forum, cause until this forum is renamed (Soccer games, or PES and FIFA) this is NOT a suitable place for myopic FIFA discussion, or a place to get up on your high horse cause, shock horror, the majority of users are Pro fans, fans of a game that actively encourages attacking football.


  • #11
    m83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭m83


    The fifa forum has been requested time and time again but mods just will not grant it. And this forum has been suggested to use in the interim. I have a funny feeling a fifa forum will be created in the near future as a by product of the quality of the game.


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  • #12
    whiskeyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    Played a couple of more games last night on my laptop.

    Having second doubts now.
    Some of the movement really is awful. It's just not flowing correctly.
    Many cases of the player shooting on his wrong foot when the other way by far the easier option also.
    There's no denying PES09 is better than PES08, but I still don't think it can beat PES06!
    There's just nothing to really grab me away from it.


  • #13
    evad_lhorg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,896 ✭✭✭evad_lhorg


    Just heard they havnt updated the squads fully in the final game either which sucks donkey balls.


  • #14
    Tusky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,092 ✭✭✭✭Tusky


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    There's no denying PES09 is better than PES08, but I still don't think it can beat PES06!

    Stop calling it PES06! It was released in 2007 and was called Pro Evo 6.
    evad_lhorg wrote: »
    Just heard they havnt updated the squads fully in the final game either which sucks donkey balls.

    Thats terribly lazy. Surely they should wait until the end of the transfer season before finalizing...no Riera for Liverpool anyway.


  • #15
    armour87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭armour87


    Everyone say a prayer the onlines' good ok?


  • #16
    The_Hustler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,191 ✭✭✭The_Hustler


    m83 wrote: »
    I've been pro evo all my life

    All your life and still crap at it?

    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055385829


  • #17
    m83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭m83


    The_Hustler wrote: »
    All your life and still crap at it?

    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055385829

    and your point is?


  • #18
    Ardent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,364 ✭✭✭Ardent


    Played a couple of games of the PC demo there. Gotta say, somewhat disappointed - I can't see how it's all that different from 2008. Some first impressions:

    GOOD:
    - Gfx improved somewhat, particulalry close ups of players
    - Opposition is more defensively aware and harder to beat

    BAD:
    - Player movements on the ball still fairly linear and clunky
    - Crowd chants are laughably bad and annoying
    - Shooting seems a bit hit-and-hope, there's no impression of consistency or control on shots

    Not a bad game but no radical improvement in the franchise over the last two years for me.


  • #19
    estebancambias
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭estebancambias


    Seriously I was very in between when I first played the demo, but now that I heard the edit mode is actually going to be properly good and I will be able to create League of Ireland perfectly.

    Its a lot of fun. Ok it might not be as close to the real thing as Fifa but I want to be able to run with the ball and notice massive difference when playing with someone like Messi(its a joy playing with him)

    I was a bit unimpressed with lack of midfield action at the start but now I'm getting on the ball more with Iniesta and the likes.

    Really enjoying the demo, and if someone can point to me how to get this game early I would be delighted. PM if ye want..:D


  • #20
    whiskeyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    Ardent wrote: »
    Played a couple of games of the PC demo there. Gotta say, somewhat disappointed - I can't see how it's all that different from 2008. Some first impressions:

    GOOD:
    - Gfx improved somewhat, particulalry close ups of players
    - Opposition is more defensively aware and harder to beat

    BAD:
    - Player movements on the ball still fairly linear and clunky
    - Crowd chants are laughably bad and annoying
    - Shooting seems a bit hit-and-hope, there's no impression of consistency or control on shots

    Not a bad game but no radical improvement in the franchise over the last two years for me.


    Exactly how I feel.
    To me, the 'Good' point of improved gfx just isn't enough of a draw though.
    I hope the final release has something different to the feel of it - I think this was the same with PES05? the demo was so weird, but the final release much better.
    I think I feel more and more disappointed after a huge promise this year it would deliver. Just seems like PES2008 slightly polished up.


  • #21
    RandolphEsq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭RandolphEsq


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    Played a couple of more games last night on my laptop.

    Having second doubts now.
    Some of the movement really is awful. It's just not flowing correctly.
    Many cases of the player shooting on his wrong foot when the other way by far the easier option also.
    There's no denying PES09 is better than PES08, but I still don't think it can beat PES06!
    There's just nothing to really grab me away from it.

    PES 2008 on the PS2 was the greatest PES on the PS2. You should try it!


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  • #22
    RandolphEsq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭RandolphEsq


    estebancambias wrote: »

    Really enjoying the demo, and if someone can point to me how to get this game early I would be delighted. PM if ye want..:D

    +1 :)


  • #23
    whiskeyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    hey,

    Never knew you could just select one play (or more) and play with them throughout a match.
    Tried it and loved it!!!
    Was able to make brilliant runs and call for the ball and set up super goals.

    Really got me into liking the demo a heck of a lot more.

    Anyone ever play PES like this?


  • #24
    Otacon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,721 ✭✭✭Otacon


    whiskeyman wrote: »
    hey,

    Never knew you could just select one play (or more) and play with them throughout a match.
    Tried it and loved it!!!
    Was able to make brilliant runs and call for the ball and set up super goals.

    Really got me into liking the demo a heck of a lot more.

    Anyone ever play PES like this?

    You can do this in the demo?


  • #25
    whiskeyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,564 ✭✭✭✭whiskeyman


    Otacon wrote: »
    You can do this in the demo?

    yup!
    http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showthread.php?t=49682&highlight=legend
    info there :)


  • #26
    AIR-AUSSIE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭AIR-AUSSIE


    Have been comparing it to the fifa demo. And I'm not too sure. Pro Evo may prob still be better for 2 player but think fifa would be more fun in single player.

    Pro evo is lacking decent off the ball movement and does seem very clunky. But theres pluses and minuses for both, think may need to buy both or rent both first anyhow....


  • #27
    armour87
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 848 ✭✭✭armour87


    Does anyone know of any PES2009 bundle for 360 with the new controller? Link?


  • #28
    joeygl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36 ✭joeygl


    AIR-AUSSIE wrote: »
    Have been comparing it to the fifa demo. And I'm not too sure. Pro Evo may prob still be better for 2 player but think fifa would be more fun in single player.

    Pro evo is lacking decent off the ball movement and does seem very clunky. But theres pluses and minuses for both, think may need to buy both or rent both first anyhow....

    I think Seabass and Co have worked hard this year... like i played the FIFA 09 Demo 1st and i have to admit, it looked quality on the oul screen but sure looks aren't everything... When i played PES 09 DEMO i loved it....
    I put it in perspective... "Would you rather a beaten up classic car that it 330BHP or a lame new Toyota Yaris..." Classic i think..
    Let's toast to PES 2009 and to a sucessful PES 2010!! 2010 even sounds weird haha!


  • #29
    AIR-AUSSIE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,596 ✭✭✭AIR-AUSSIE


    joeygl wrote: »
    I think Seabass and Co have worked hard this year... like i played the FIFA 09 Demo 1st and i have to admit, it looked quality on the oul screen but sure looks aren't everything... When i played PES 09 DEMO i loved it....
    I put it in perspective... "Would you rather a beaten up classic car that it 330BHP or a lame new Toyota Yaris..." Classic i think..
    Let's toast to PES 2009 and to a sucessful PES 2010!! 2010 even sounds weird haha!

    There just seems to be an element of realism lacking in Pro evo 09 demo. I'm sure it will prob be a better 1v1 game but to me the single player aspect of Fifa 09 and its realism appeals to me.

    Problem is I love playing Pro evo with my friends, but it bores me in single player. The Computer AI in Fifa just seems more realistic to me.


  • #30
    dionsiseire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭dionsiseire


    ive been playing fifa the last 2 days with mate

    i oficially hate it, it is absolute PANTS, the game play is so slow even adjusting the game speed, the players movements feel realistic but they just never seem to release the ball

    When running at a ball players have this tendency to do a crab walk walking side to side, its so frustrating and it seems to happen a lot when you REALLY need to defender or look dead cert in behind the defense on an attack and running onto a ball

    For game modes its streets ahead of pro evo, lounge mode is actually quite fun where you can use power ups like opposing team has 2 players sent off to start or 1 or 3 goal head start etc etc, i think this is in line with previous years of fifa .vs. pes that fifa has always had way more modes

    Having played the PES demo and Fifa full game, i feel the DEMO is streets ahead of fifa myself and cant wait to see the full game

    www.pesunites.com has videos, the champions league mode seems very authentic, and very well done, once a update file comes out it will be awesome.


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  • #31
    jebuz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    I'm not excited anymore, in fact i'm quite angry and disappointed and... angry.

    Our house got burgled yesterday, the one thing gone in my room, even though there were 2 cameras an ipod, a gps system...the ONE thing, my PS3!! so pissed off, no pro evo for me this Friday :(


  • #32
    bennyob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭bennyob


    fu**ers!!!!!!!!

    try call your house insurer. you might be able to make a claim.


  • #33
    jebuz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    tell me about it, scumbags! not insured! :( we are renting, would have been a good idea though


  • #34
    dionsiseire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭dionsiseire


    did you buy it in a dixons or currys?

    if so you may have been co-erced into buying the coverplan stuff that if you smash it or whatever its covered

    well that covers theft in the first year if you did

    just a thought as people do buy these things


  • #35
    Otacon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,721 ✭✭✭Otacon


    jebuz wrote: »
    I'm not excited anymore, in fact i'm quite angry and disappointed and... angry.

    Our house got burgled yesterday, the one thing gone in my room, even though there were 2 cameras an ipod, a gps system...the ONE thing, my PS3!! so pissed off, no pro evo for me this Friday :(

    Geez, sorry man! That's horrible. I think I'm gonna start taking my PS3 to work with me from now on. Just need a backpack big enough.


  • #36
    jebuz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    I should have been a better father to it, I never asked it did it want to come to work with me, I wasn't there for it when it needed me most and now...its gone. Seriously, it's like there's a big void in my life now, I've a PS2 but that won't make me feel better.

    Re: Dixons or Curries - I think it was bought in gamestop, was an Christmas present last year from my girlfriend, but you know...Christmas is just around the corner ;)


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  • #37
    brophs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭brophs


    jebuz wrote: »
    I'm not excited anymore, in fact i'm quite angry and disappointed and... angry.

    Our house got burgled yesterday, the one thing gone in my room, even though there were 2 cameras an ipod, a gps system...the ONE thing, my PS3!! so pissed off, no pro evo for me this Friday :(

    Sorry to hear that, Jebuz?

    Do you have home insurance? If so you are covered-and you will be gaming in no time. Also Gamestop sell second hand PS3's. Often they are brand new though, mine was.


  • #38
    jebuz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    Thanks man, no house insurance, I never even thought of it, but it makes sense we've a lot of stuff in the house. In fact, I think we ended up being quite lucky given the fact that not too much was taken, there were laptops, cameras, plenty of DVD's and other things that were untouched. It seems like they panicked and just took the most expensive looking items.

    Housemate has a PS3 also though, which was untouched so hopefully he'll be getting the new pro evo. End of the day, it's just possessions.

    Also, you know the way I have a PSN id, can people change those? I think I heard you can't. That means my friends will be able to see me online if by chance the PS3 is hooked up to the internet sometime, that would be interesting...


  • #39
    brophs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭brophs


    jebuz wrote: »
    Thanks man, no house insurance, I never even thought of it, but it makes sense we've a lot of stuff in the house. In fact, I think we ended up being quite lucky given the fact that not too much was taken, there were laptops, cameras, plenty of DVD's and other things that were untouched. It seems like they panicked and just took the most expensive looking items.

    Housemate has a PS3 also though, which was untouched so hopefully he'll be getting the new pro evo. End of the day, it's just possessions.

    Also, you know the way I have a PSN id, can people change those? I think I heard you can't. That means my friends will be able to see me online if by chance the PS3 is hooked up to the internet sometime, that would be interesting...

    Good stuff. Well, 123.ie is pretty good for house insurance. Our cover is for contents worth €20,000, and it costs less than €100 a year. Not a bad price to guarantee your stuff.


  • #40
    jebuz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,771 ✭✭✭jebuz


    Thanks brophs, will look into it.


  • #41
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,724 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    dionsiseire wrote: »
    ive been playing fifa the last 2 days with mate

    i oficially hate it, it is absolute PANTS, the game play is so slow even adjusting the game speed, the players movements feel realistic but they just never seem to release the ball

    When running at a ball players have this tendency to do a crab walk walking side to side, its so frustrating and it seems to happen a lot when you REALLY need to defender or look dead cert in behind the defense on an attack and running onto a ball

    For game modes its streets ahead of pro evo, lounge mode is actually quite fun where you can use power ups like opposing team has 2 players sent off to start or 1 or 3 goal head start etc etc, i think this is in line with previous years of fifa .vs. pes that fifa has always had way more modes

    Having played the PES demo and Fifa full game, i feel the DEMO is streets ahead of fifa myself and cant wait to see the full game

    www.pesunites.com has videos, the champions league mode seems very authentic, and very well done, once a update file comes out it will be awesome.

    agree with all that

    i really wanted to like fifa, but i dont, back to pes for me, as long as the off line doesnt stutter like it did last year and the teleport cross field passes are sorted ill get it :)


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  • #42
    fitzer1982
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭fitzer1982


    There's a review on www.ign.com sorry no time for linking it. To be honest its not looking good. The review basically says its an ok game but they mentioned that there is lag. I can't believe this is going to happen again! Although the reviews are for Xbox 360 and PS3. I've pre ordered it for the PC, so maybe on line will be better.

    I have Fif09 and I have to say its not a bad game but the online isn't as amazing as people are making out, for the PC anyway. It ca be slow sometimes and other times you lose connection etc.


  • #43
    estebancambias
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭estebancambias


    Simply PES is the best one of all time.. BUT its not enough. Still going to be class tho.


  • #44
    murfo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 129 ✭✭murfo


    jebuz wrote: »
    Also, you know the way I have a PSN id, can people change those? I think I heard you can't. That means my friends will be able to see me online if by chance the PS3 is hooked up to the internet sometime, that would be interesting...

    actually you could get lucky there. i read a story on n4g a few days ago where someone had their ps3 stolen and their friends saw them being signed in and that, they contacted sony and got the isp and tracked the idiot down


  • #45
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,724 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    fitze69 wrote: »
    There's a review on www.ign.com sorry no time for linking it. To be honest its not looking good. The review basically says its an ok game but they mentioned that there is lag. I can't believe this is going to happen again! Although the reviews are for Xbox 360 and PS3. I've pre ordered it for the PC, so maybe on line will be better.

    I have Fif09 and I have to say its not a bad game but the online isn't as amazing as people are making out, for the PC anyway. It ca be slow sometimes and other times you lose connection etc.

    er it gets 8.5 and the final para reads

    For all its problems off the pitch, there’s no doubting that PES 2009 is the most fun football game on the market. There’s a nagging feeling that this is merely the game that the past iterations should have been, but there’s no denying that it plays as good a game as ever – which means for the neutral, the choice of which game to pledge their allegiance to is as hard as ever. Ultimately, FIFA wins out thanks to it offering the most comprehensive package, but those who choose to spend the next season in the company of PES won’t be disappointed.


  • #46
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,351 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Played the demo and I'm just not impressed. It seems the same as the last two versions and is far too arcadey for my liking.


  • #47
    fitzer1982
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭fitzer1982


    8.5 and it also mentions online being laggy, what did IGN give Pro Evo 08 last year? I think it was really high even though it was the worst ever version!

    On the other side of the coin, I read a post earlier in another forum from someone in Turkey who got theres early, saying that it was brilliant no lag(probably no one else online!) and it was 20 times better than the demo.

    For a lot of us online is make or break of any sports game. Hopefully Konami will get it right!


  • #48
    RandolphEsq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,296 ✭✭✭RandolphEsq


    Rented new FIFA today just to see . . . so far despite not having played a game just loitering around the menus and that practice arena I love it. It is a lot better than the Pro Evo I played in the demo.
    After more than a handful of games in the demo I can say that the movement is extremely clunky and the game is almost painfully slow. The UEFA Champions League © better be part of the Master League. If it is a seperate mode and is only available as solely a Champions League mode, and if the online lags, then I'm afraid the gameplay will not make up for those flaws. I will get FIFA this year


  • #49
    estebancambias
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭estebancambias


    FIFA is ****. played it in stephens green today and the players movement is so boring.

    PES 1
    FIFA 0


  • #50
    Dmaurice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 109 ✭✭Dmaurice


    3 days to go lads! demo is doin my head in! 5mins and watchin the trailor EVERY time after each game...fingers crossed for online mode and there will be a pro evo and cans night in mine on Friday night!! Couple of mates got it thursday evening last year in Game Stop and ExtraVision...apparently if you go in an hour before closing they usually have the games out on the shelf for the release the next morning....just take it to the counter, look calm and collected, try not to sweat, hand over your cash....and walk out slowly. YEAHHHHH!!! ;)


  • #51
    Phoole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Phoole


    Dmaurice wrote: »
    3 days to go lads! demo is doin my head in! 5mins and watchin the trailor EVERY time after each game...fingers crossed for online mode and there will be a pro evo and cans night in mine on Friday night!! Couple of mates got it thursday evening last year in Game Stop and ExtraVision...apparently if you go in an hour before closing they usually have the games out on the shelf for the release the next morning....just take it to the counter, look calm and collected, try not to sweat, hand over your cash....and walk out slowly. YEAHHHHH!!! ;)
    Ha ha! I got it in Extra Vision the night before last year. I was on here with about 20 others hoping for good news from someone when the news broke that it was on sale in a few different places. I imagine it'll be the same this year. I hate this waiting.


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