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QUICK QUESTION ON OVERTRAINING

  • 13-10-2008 07:06PM
    #1
    robert18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭


    hello quick couple of questions about my training ,last tuesday i ended up going to hospital with this strange feeling that i never experienced before which the doctor put down to either overtraining or high blood pressure ,now i have been feeling like training has been a chore for the last couple oy years but always battled on but now it is getting to the stage that i don't feel that i can keep going .

    my schedule is :
    monday hard run about 5 to 6 miles
    tuesday hard weights session
    wednesday hard swim session
    thursday hard weights session
    friday distance swim session

    i suppose my question is i do about 5 hard sessions a week is this to much as every session seems to nearly kill me ,are you suppose to take easy days or is this age that is catching up with me ,i find the weights are staying the same with no increase in amounts thanks for any replies .


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  • #2
    Al_Fernz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Al_Fernz


    robert18 wrote: »
    hello quick couple of questions about my training ,last tuesday i ended up going to hospital with this strange feeling that i never experienced before which the doctor put down to either overtraining or high blood pressure ,now i have been feeling like training has been a chore for the last couple oy years but always battled on but now it is getting to the stage that i don't feel that i can keep going .

    my schedule is :
    monday hard run about 5 to 6 miles
    tuesday hard weights session
    wednesday hard swim session
    thursday hard weights session
    friday distance swim session

    i suppose my question is i do about 5 hard sessions a week is this to much as every session seems to nearly kill me ,are you suppose to take easy days or is this age that is catching up with me ,i find the weights are staying the same with no increase in amounts thanks for any replies .

    When was the last time you had a non-training week? It could be a case where you need a week off to re-charge your batteries.

    Also, what's your diet and training like? Could be inefficiencies in these areas too that could be corrected.


  • #3
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    robert18 wrote: »
    the doctor put down to either overtraining or high blood pressure

    Lol. Find a new doctor. A compotent one.


  • #4
    irish.rugby.fan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 192 ✭✭irish.rugby.fan


    robert18 wrote: »
    QUICK QUESTION ON OVERTRAINING

    Please dont shout.


  • #5
    Size=everything
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Size=everything


    robert18 wrote: »

    i suppose my question is i do about 5 hard sessions a week is this to much as every session seems to nearly kill me ,are you suppose to take easy days or is this age that is catching up with me ,i find the weights are staying the same with no increase in amounts thanks for any replies .

    I think a lot of it depends on how many calories your consuming. If your going to be burning off a lot of calories regularly then your going to have to eat a lot of calories regularly otherwise you will start to feel overtrained and fatigued. I have trained hard almost every day for the last 2 years and find as long as I eat sufficiently and have a good nights sleep I am fine and dont feel over trained


  • #6
    brianthebard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    Agree with Size, but also you might want to tell us more about your training and diet, what's hard for you might not for others. When did you last change your programme for instance? this might be one reason the weight numbers aren't going up. As others said, when did you last take a break, and if feels so hard to push yourself to train, why haven't you taken a break?


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  • #7
    robert18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭robert18


    well i suppose i have not taken a rest in a couple of years ,when on holidays i still keep up the running and swimming ,i am no top sportsman but would consider myself fit , the runs are generally at 6 to 7 min mile pace ,the speed swim would involve about 2400 meters broken into 50's(45 sec) 100 's(105 secs coming in on 90 sec with 15 sec rest ) and 200 's ( 210 sec's coming in on 190 sec's with 20 sec rest ) ,the distance swim would be 1600 meters doing the swim in about 29 minutes ,my weights i think is where the problem starts as i am caught for time i generally would do 2 sessions a week hitting every body part ie when i do my chest in the break i would do my legs ( set of 5 80 kg dumbells bench, up set of 5 leg raises and set of stomach exercises ) i do this 4 times then i do my arms with legs and stomach and then my sholuder with the same and then my back with the same . as for my diet during the week it is ok but at the weekends i do over indulge a bit in alcohol and food .i also am on shift work which does not help i suppose . thanks for the replies .


  • #8
    Colm_OReilly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 ✭✭✭Colm_OReilly


    How much sleep are you getting?

    What exactly is your diet like?

    Is your routine always the same?


  • #9
    robert18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭robert18


    with regard to sleeping it is a bit muddled ,as i do shift work when on days i find it very hard to switch off ,i work 4 10 hour shifts ( 8 to 6 ) on days ( 6 to 4 ) on evenings,the switch over is the worst most sundays i cannot sleep at all maybe about 3 hours and during the week i have some many things to do with the kids that my brain does not shut down till about twelve at night ,as regards to my diet during the week it is ok but the weekends are a disaster , i suppose my question is whenever i go training its as hard as i can do ,is it better to do 2 very hard sessions and 3 ok or am i just getting a bit lazy ,every where i read it says you should not hit muscle groups more than twice a week but with the swimming and then weights they are being hit four times ,


  • #10
    kevpants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Meh. The term overtraining should be replaced with the word I'magiantdouchemonkey then people would think twice before constantly referrring to it.

    I think it was Colm who posted an article about overtraining (I'magiantdouchemonkey) not too long ago. Explained the nature and seriousness of it and the fact that very few of us would be capable of it even if we tried to achieve it in the name of science or something.


  • #11
    robert18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭robert18


    what are you talking about kev ,the doctor who saw me said that it could be that , who am i supposed to listen too you or a doctor , if you don't have something constructive to say say nothing please .


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  • #12
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    robert18 wrote: »
    what are you talking about kev ,the doctor who saw me said that it could be that , who am i supposed to listen too you or a doctor , if you don't have something constructive to say say nothing please .

    Your doctor also said it could be high blood pressure. Sounds to me like Kev's opinion is as valid as your doctor if he's giving causes liek that. Here's a newsflash, doctors don't like when people train. It's "dangerous". It goes against their conservative teachings, so they try to steer people away from it. Especially GP's.


  • #13
    Al_Fernz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Al_Fernz


    Hanley wrote: »
    Here's a newsflash, doctors don't like when people train. It's "dangerous". It goes against their conservative teachings, so they try to steer people away from it. Especially GP's.

    I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. I've had two family GPs and both have always encouraged rigorous training. My second GP actually recommended I take up weight training and make sure I have a high protein diet.

    Also, neither of the doctors are young and would probably fit in with your "conservative" stereotype. I'm sure that there are conservative doctors out there who do not encourage trainining, however I don't think its fair to tar the whole profession with the same brush.


  • #14
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Before this gets awkward can I request that no further generalisations are made about General Practitioners and their experience with/ knowledge of training?

    Stay OT please and lets get back to the issue at hand.
    robert18 wrote:
    i suppose my question is i do about 5 hard sessions a week is this to much as every session seems to nearly kill me ,are you suppose to take easy days or is this age that is catching up with me ,i find the weights are staying the same with no increase in amounts thanks for any replies .
    Leaving the whole "overtraining" thing aside, OP you've answered your own question here.

    Every session should not almost kill you. A good training plan will include back-off, rehab and sub-max effort days (or something to that effect). It doesn't matter what level you're at, you can't keep going hell-for-leather at every training session. Rest is just as important as active performance.

    e.g. if you train 5 days a week make two of those days light training days.


  • #15
    Roper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,448 ✭✭✭Roper


    Overtraining or just worn out? Or maybe just pissed off with the same routine? The "medical term" (for it ain't really a medical term) of overtraining involves a mental and physical run down feeling, but the average trainer can hit a wall too, even though it's not overtraining in the technical sense.

    If you've been feeling like it's a chore for a couple of years, then why haven't you freshened things up? Change the routine, switch up the days, find a new coach, find a new method? Sometimes a change is as good as a rest.

    That being said, that guy who told you the original diagnosis- he's real, and did 7 years of training to have that white coat and those nurses running after him, so I'd pay attention to him first. Me and the other respondents to this thread are just names on a screen with too much time on their hands.


  • #16
    kevpants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    robert18 wrote: »
    what are you talking about kev ,the doctor who saw me said that it could be that , who am i supposed to listen too you or a doctor , if you don't have something constructive to say say nothing please .

    Nothing constructive to say?

    I told you the term overtraining was way overused and that it is quite difficult to reach that point and if you'd bothered to search back you'd have found this post:

    Overtraining defined

    Sorry I said it in a jovial fashion, <snip>


  • #17
    HammerHeadGym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭HammerHeadGym


    robert18 wrote: »
    ...with this strange feeling that i never experienced before which the doctor put down to either overtraining or high blood pressure...

    Can you describe the strange feeling you had? Was it physical, like nausea or fatigue? Or was it mental, like 'whats the fuken point?' sort of feeling?

    Looking at your training schedule, it doesn't look like your overdoing it in terms of days. Although I did note that you run at an international level. (6 minute mile) I assume that if you swim and pump iron to the same standard that your going fairly all out most of the time. Maybe if you post your diet, full workout routine, etc. the boffins will be in a better position to councel you.


  • #18
    stehigg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 36 ✭stehigg


    80 kg dumbells, 6 minutes miles and a doctor that cant tell the difference between overtraining and high blood pressure!!

    Someones telling a few porky pies! i cant believe experienced trainers who have answered him cannot spot the fraud.

    Fail!


  • #19
    Hanley
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    stehigg wrote: »
    80 kg dumbells, 6 minutes miles and a doctor that cant tell the difference between overtraining and high blood pressure!!

    Someones telling a few porky pies! i cant believe experienced trainers who have answered him cannot spot the fraud.

    Fail!

    Lol... true story. I assumed he meant 80kg TOTAL in the OP tho, which would almost be believable.


  • #20
    robert18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭robert18


    sorry i did not answer yesterday but could not get to the computer ,stehigg if you bothered to read the post firstly you would see that i said dumbells 80 kg in total also i run a 5.2 mile run which at the moment i am running at about 35 mins but have ran a good bit faster that would be just under 7 minutes , who ever said that 6 minute miles was international class should go back and watch a bit of running .Also stehigg i don't know what training you do if you think what i do is alot,you should go down to your nearest triathlon club and see what real training is ,most wednesdays and fridays i swim with a couple of people that do triathlons .Also you are basically calling me a liar saying that what i said about the doctor was untrue ,what laugh would i get out off that . About the feeling that came over me its hard to describe but the only way i can is it felted like all my energy was being sucked out of me , wave after wave coming up from my toes going to my head ( i know that sounds weird )


  • #21
    robert18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭robert18


    just said i would let the people who tried to help know that after a series of blood tests i was found to have extremely high cholesterol about 8.3 ,it seems that i got it from my mother and not diet as it would be fairly ok , i have been put on a drug called ezeltrol which hopefully will sort it out ,just a quick question does anyone here suffer from this and will it or the drug affect my training thanks.


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