Is it any wonder this country is on it's knees???

cailin06 · 24-10-2008 11:09PM #1

Seriously.. heard the best one today...

A shop that my SIL works in has more non-nationals than Irish working there.. (nothing new there but just setting a background.....)

Today one of the non-nationals arrived in with big smarmy grin on face.. and announced to all in sundry that he applied for child benefit here and was granted it.. now nothing wrong there only...

His wife and kids are living in Poland!!!!!! Not only did he have the Child Benefit granted, but it's been backdated.. he's been given €7,000 in one lump sum!!!

OK, OK so we're all supposed to be one big happy European Union.. but seriosly lads.. Ireland is crumbling around our ears. Does no one else think at this stage we should be protecting out own????? Child Benefit is available in each EU state.. why screw Ireland out of more money we can't afford!!!! I think that it's time for our government to take the bull by the horns.. yes, Child Benefit is substantially more here than in Poland but the Polish government should be made to cough up the difference. MY Child Benefit has been cut by 12mths to save money (not that I think it should have ever been paid to over 18's.. they are no longer children at that stage) and yet our government are paying out to people who do not reside here!!! It's not rocket science...

I am so pissy over it for many reasons... not least that it's been thrown out there to take the medical card off the over 70's unless they are dirt poor.. now I know there has been a huge backstep over this.. but it's been out there nonetheless.. Then there's the 1 or 2% levy on our hard earn wages.. the 8c a litre on petrol, the 50c on the wine, the 50c on the cigarettes (don't smoke, thankfully), the extra 1/2 % VAT.. and STILL Ireland continues to pay out child benefit for children who do NOT even reside in the country!

GROW SOME BALLS COWEN!!!

I am seriously worried for myself, my family and my children's future. Is there a handbook out there that will advise me on how screw the system - because I tell ya, someone got the word out!!

dan719 · 24-10-2008 11:12PM

*Insert random I hate poles comment here*

Yawn.

Kintarō Hattori · 24-10-2008 11:13PM

Why hasn't anyone reported him if the wife and kids are in Poland? No report - no right to complain.

Darragh29 · 24-10-2008 11:13PM

What is a SIL?

CSC · 24-10-2008 11:13PM

Surely that is benefit fraud. If you feel that strongly about it, report it.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 24-10-2008 11:14PM

cailin06 wrote: »

GROW SOME BALLS COWEN!!!

Good point, but what's the alternative?

Kintarō Hattori · 24-10-2008 11:15PM

Darragh29 wrote: »

What is a SIL?

I'm guessing Sister in Law.

(Waiting for Gopher to arrive into this thread)

Quazzie · 24-10-2008 11:16PM

Cataleya Ashy Greenery wrote: »

Good point, but what's the alternative?

The alternative is to report him but the OP was too excited about posting on boards to that

4zn76tysfajdxp · 24-10-2008 11:19PM

Quazzie2002 wrote: »

The alternative is to report him but the OP was too excited about posting on boards to that

Oh right, silly me.

JuliusCaesar · 24-10-2008 11:20PM

CSC wrote: »

Surely that is benefit fraud. If you feel that strongly about it, report it.

It's not. It is completely legal and he is within his rights. Due to some EU law.

Bob the Builder · 24-10-2008 11:21PM

I say kill the jews. Or whatever nationality these non-nationals are...

Governemt* are pricks, destroyed the country, intelligent foreigners take advantage. Thread in AH bítching.
The usual.

*Purposely spelt wrong to highlight lack of education in this country.

Blush_01 · 24-10-2008 11:23PM

I don't think the fact that the guy was Polish was what the OP was getting at there Dan. But way to pick up on something that's not the point and try to divert the thread into another "are-we-racist-no-we're-not-yes-we-are" panto.

OP, I agree. I don't think child benefits should be paid for children not living in the state. If those children were ordinarily resident in the state then fine, but as they're not, surely they fall under their own nation's responsibility when it comes to support. I'm sure if it happens, but I'd be sickened if Irish people living and working abroad claimed child benefit there for their children residing in Ireland too.

SoupyNorman · 24-10-2008 11:24PM

Seriously.. heard the best one today...

cailin06 wrote: »

but seriosly lads.. Ireland is crumbling around our ears.

mikemac · 24-10-2008 11:24PM

Welcome to the EU OP

And this was always a goal of the EU. You should be able to work in any EU country and avail of the benefits available in that country to working people. I'm aware of the 2 year requirement before non-nationals get JSA

I've experience of this. Only I did a graduate course in Belfast and the UK government in their wisdom paid me Job seekers allowance (I was on work experience) and they paid me housing benefit.
I've never worked paid employment in the UK and I ain't ever paid income tax in the UK

So meh, it works both ways.

Kintarō Hattori · 24-10-2008 11:24PM

Blush_01 wrote: »

I don't think the fact that the guy was Polish was what the OP was getting at there Dan. But way to pick up on something that's not the point and try to divert the thread into another "are-we-racist-no-we're-not-yes-we-are" panto.

Then why bring nationality into it at all?

sdanseo · 24-10-2008 11:25PM

Not far departed from the thread on the dude who's made something like 12 grand from signing on in the last 6 months. Only problem was he was flying in once a month to do it.

It's unfair, and so are the EU. I can accept he's here to earn money for his family - but the Irish state can't be expected under any circumstances to support said family when they've probably never set foot in this country.

Abslute balls.

cailin06 · 24-10-2008 11:27PM

Firstly - to dan719..

I DO NOT HATE POLISH PEOPLE ('POLES' JUST SOUNDS SOOOO VULGAR!) I know my hubby certainly doesn't hate the 'womenfolk'

.. OK, nothing to do with my point but whatever.... I find the Polish polite and friendly and admire their level of proficiency in any job they take. My point is that as we are a nation in the depts of recession we should be looking out for our own and protecting our country... we should be looking for ways to climb back out of the hole we were forced into by the property bubble (a.k.a. farce!!) We certainly should NOT be supporting non residents. So you go right ahead and yawn... either you've made your millions or you're claiming as many benefits.

Secondly... I did look into the legality of the claim and from what I can find this guy is totally within his rights to claim Child Benefit/Allowance from ANY EU state even though the children involved are not residents.. as we Irish could.

This is by no means a race/creed gripe. This is a mother of 4 children concerned for the welfare of her children.. and a person who cannot understand why we as a proud nation are being bullied into situations we do not agree with.

cailin06 · 24-10-2008 11:28PM

Darragh29 wrote: »

What is a SIL?

Sister in law

Blush_01 · 24-10-2008 11:29PM

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Then why bring nationality into it at all?

I'm sure the OP could have made her comments more generic, but then again, she was talking about a specific person from a specific place... perhaps that's why she brought the location into it?

Sharpshooter · 24-10-2008 11:31PM

No good calling the poleice?

So does anyone know if an Irish person went to Poland to do the same thing , what would happen, according to their policy's on non nationals.

cailin06 · 24-10-2008 11:32PM

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Then why bring nationality into it at all?

The guy was Polish... that's why! In the same way as I would be referred to as Irish!

Senna · 24-10-2008 11:33PM

the polish fella pays his taxes to the Irish gov, so they pay the children’s benefits.
I've no problem with this, he's availing of something the gov are offering, he's not breaking any law or trying to defraud anyone.
I'd prefer this, to some lazy irish fu*ker who's never worked a day in their life and get huge amount of benefits from the gov, getting more and more for every basta*d child they have.

SoupyNorman · 24-10-2008 11:34PM

Probably safe enough to say that chasing after non-nationals committing benefit fraud would only net you nickles and dimes compared to a concerted effort into tackling nationals committing this heinous offense...

Im looking at You over 70's Booooooooooooooo!

AlmightyCushion · 24-10-2008 11:34PM

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Then why bring nationality into it at all?

He's clearly sexist as well after all he did say it was a man. If he wasn't sexist then why would he mention it. It's a description, if he was wearing a tracksuit and had the bottom of his pants tucked into his socks, he would have referred to him a scumbag or whatever.

Darragh29 · 24-10-2008 11:35PM

cailin06 wrote: »

Seriously.. heard the best one today...

A shop that my SIL works in has more non-nationals than Irish working there.. (nothing new there but just setting a background.....)

Today one of the non-nationals arrived in with big smarmy grin on face.. and announced to all in sundry that he applied for child benefit here and was granted it.. now nothing wrong there only...

His wife and kids are living in Poland!!!!!! Not only did he have the Child Benefit granted, but it's been backdated.. he's been given €7,000 in one lump sum!!!

OK, OK so we're all supposed to be one big happy European Union.. but seriosly lads.. Ireland is crumbling around our ears. Does no one else think at this stage we should be protecting out own????? Child Benefit is available in each EU state.. why screw Ireland out of more money we can't afford!!!! I think that it's time for our government to take the bull by the horns.. yes, Child Benefit is substantially more here than in Poland but the Polish government should be made to cough up the difference. MY Child Benefit has been cut by 12mths to save money (not that I think it should have ever been paid to over 18's.. they are no longer children at that stage) and yet our government are paying out to people who do not reside here!!! It's not rocket science...

I am so pissy over it for many reasons... not least that it's been thrown out there to take the medical card off the over 70's unless they are dirt poor.. now I know there has been a huge backstep over this.. but it's been out there nonetheless.. Then there's the 1 or 2% levy on our hard earn wages.. the 8c a litre on petrol, the 50c on the wine, the 50c on the cigarettes (don't smoke, thankfully), the extra 1/2 % VAT.. and STILL Ireland continues to pay out child benefit for children who do NOT even reside in the country!

GROW SOME BALLS COWEN!!!

I am seriously worried for myself, my family and my children's future. Is there a handbook out there that will advise me on how screw the system - because I tell ya, someone got the word out!!

Agreed. Aside from airing your grievance on here, what are you going to do about it?

cailin06 · 24-10-2008 11:40PM

Senna wrote: »

the polish fella pays his taxes to the Irish gov, so they pay the children’s benefits.

Can't get into the PO on the weekend for all the Western Union'ers... Sending 3/4 of the wages OUT of the country has done nothing for the economy!!

Senna wrote: »

I've no problem with this, he's availing of something the gov are offering, he's not breaking any law or trying to defraud anyone.

My point exactly... the Govt should NOT be offering it!!!

Senna wrote: »

I'd prefer this, to some lazy irish fu*ker who's never worked a day in their life and get huge amount of benefits from the gov, getting more and more for every basta*d child they have.

I agree. There are too many people relying on the State to earn their living for them.. these are the ones who think the world owes them something. Lost causes in most cases...

mikemac · 24-10-2008 11:42PM

cailin06 wrote: »

FMy point is that as we are a nation in the depts of recession

We are in a recession but if you think this is the depths, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Check back in 12-18 months!

Latchy · 24-10-2008 11:42PM

Something similar to this was highlighted in the british press a few months back were Millions of british tax payers money ie, child benifit obtained by poles in britain was being sent back to poland .However last weeks news reports suggested that due to a recruitment campaign in poland, thousends of poles are returning to poland due to various reasons ie ,britains soaring violence and apparently the polish ecomomy is on the up .

cailin06 · 24-10-2008 11:43PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

He's clearly sexist as well after all he did say it was a man. If he wasn't sexist then why would he mention it. It's a description, if he was wearing a tracksuit and had the bottom of his pants tucked into his socks, he would have referred to him a scumbag or whatever.

Get your damn facts straight! I'm not a man!!

And the reason I mentioned the fact that it was a man was because he was!!!

Does that make sense or would you like me to explain further?????

dan719 · 24-10-2008 11:45PM

cailin06 wrote: »

Firstly - to dan719..

I DO NOT HATE POLISH PEOPLE ('POLES' JUST SOUNDS SOOOO VULGAR!) I know my hubby certainly doesn't hate the 'womenfolk' .. OK, nothing to do with my point but whatever.... I find the Polish polite and friendly and admire their level of proficiency in any job they take. My point is that as we are a nation in the depts of recession we should be looking out for our own and protecting our country... we should be looking for ways to climb back out of the hole we were forced into by the property bubble (a.k.a. farce!!) We certainly should NOT be supporting non residents. So you go right ahead and yawn... either you've made your millions or you're claiming as many benefits.

This is by no means a race/creed gripe. This is a mother of 4 children concerned for the welfare of her children.. and a person who cannot understand why we as a proud nation are being bullied into situations we do not agree with.

Oh I totally agree, let's get rid of International Aid first of all, personally I despise the idea of paying to support starving children who have 'never stepped foot in this country'.

This so called 'farce' of a property bubble we were 'forced' into, hmm I never saw a bank manager force someone to take a loan, or but that nice new car,here's a phrase for the week; personal responsibility.

As we are a country in a 'constant state of chassis' let's see what is more likely to ensure a return to economic growth( apart from times, cycles are pretty inevitable, and when ratio of price to earnings hits 32, look out below);

Taking away child benefit from a man whom afayk is legally entitled to it?

Or

Reducing our expenditure on public servants, increasing efficency and ensuring that wages are not kept artificially high by labour shortages(hence encouraging business) and so on......

Now which exactly did you choose to come on to boards to complain about?
Don't claim that a recession (people really shouldn't use 'the', it's not a singular event we have here) is an excuse to make all policies Irish first, followed by me (as in you first).

As for your little 'you've made your millions...blah blah' no I have not, nor am I on benefits, nor has anyone in my family ever been on benefits. It's okay though I had my revenge in this post, doubt you'll find it though.......:rolleyes:

cailin06 · 24-10-2008 11:45PM

micmclo wrote: »

We are in a recession but if you think this is the depths, you ain't seen nothing yet.
Check back in 12-18 months!

I agree, sorry got a bit carried away.. I do believe this is the tip of the iceberg. I'm just praying I make it through without too much blood being spilled.

il gatto · 24-10-2008 11:46PM

Darragh29 wrote: »

Agreed. Aside from airing your grievance on here, what are you going to do about it?

Why should the OP do anything? That's why we pay politicians and civil servents (350,000 civil servents) extortionate wages. To do stuff like check for benefit fraud. Someone always has to post the "what are you going to do about it?" line. Every time.

Sharpshooter · 24-10-2008 11:47PM

cailin06 wrote: »

Get your damn facts straight! I'm not a man!!

And the reason I mentioned the fact that it was a man was because he was!!!

Does that make sense or would you like me to explain further?????

/ how many ways do you know to apologize?:D

MagicMarker · 24-10-2008 11:50PM

cailin06 wrote: »

MY Child Benefit has been cut by 12mths to save money

Why did you have kids if you can't afford to support them? Why should everyone else pay to support your kids?

Just playing devils advocate.

AlmightyCushion · 24-10-2008 11:50PM

cailin06 wrote: »

Get your damn facts straight! I'm not a man!!

And the reason I mentioned the fact that it was a man was because he was!!!

Does that make sense or would you like me to explain further?????

Sorry about calling you a he, the username should have given that away. I was being sarcastic about the sexist thing. I actually agree that just because you said he was polish, that it's a bit daft to say you're a racist because you mentioned his nationality. I used the sexist thing to make a comparison.

Sharpshooter · 24-10-2008 11:56PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Why did you have kids if you can't afford to support them?

Just playing devils advocate.

Sometimes they just cum along , and the parents are happy about it.
You dont think " **** , should we abort it ".

4zn76tysfajdxp · 24-10-2008 11:58PM

sharpshooterH wrote: »

Sometimes they just cum along , and the parents are happy about it.
You dont think " **** , should we abort it ".

Some people do. I would...

cailin06 · 25-10-2008 12:01AM

Dan719 - let's get rid of International Aid first of all, personally I despise the idea of paying to support starving children who have 'never stepped foot in this country'

I certainly do NOT despise supporting children who are in need of help, nor do I despise supporting any person in need. I would hope that should my circumstances change dramatically that I could reach out for help. That was NOT my point as you are well aware of.. ... maybe you just like to be noticed on the boards?? or do you get paid to be arrogant and rude???

My point IS...

We are in a recession, we have had taxes increased and new taxes/levies introduced, there have been serious expenditure cuts to essential public services and unemployment has soared... how the hell (deep breath) do you justify paying Child Benefit to children who do not reside in the country!!! I do not care if they are bloody polish or mongolian, that is not my point! So do NOT try to make me out to be some sort of racist nutter!!

sparksfly · 25-10-2008 12:02AM

This is not fraud, irish PAYE workers pay benefits for polish children with a parent living in Ireland, Brian Cowen does not give a s**t, its only the PAYE workers money.
Earlier this year a Romanian family got 800 euro from our social welfare officer towards their daughters communion. The next day they (parents) arrived into the post office where my brother works, very drunk and with 650 euro to be wired to Poland. They admitted that there was no intention of having a communion for their daughter. Post office staff reported it but S W Officer shrugged it off, again its only the PAYE workers money.
The amount of cash being paid out to foriegn nationals for socialising, driving lessons and to subsidise car purchases is unbelievable from a small rural P O.
We also have a very active gang of romanians breaking into houses at the moment, just to complement our local scumbags.
It seems that when it comes to the taxpayer, its f**k them, they will never complain. No fear of artists like Bono or the horse racing industry fatcats being asked to stump up any part of their millions.

cailin06 · 25-10-2008 12:04AM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Why did you have kids if you can't afford to support them? Why should everyone else pay to support your kids?

Just playing devils advocate.

I can well afford to support my children! And if I couldn't then I'm damn sure their father could! And yes, their father is also my husband....

Again, that was not my point...

dan719 · 25-10-2008 12:07AM

cailin06 wrote: »

Dan719 - let's get rid of International Aid first of all, personally I despise the idea of paying to support starving children who have 'never stepped foot in this country'

I certainly do NOT despise supporting children who are in need of help, nor do I despise supporting any person in need. I would hope that should my circumstances change dramatically that I could reach out for help. That was NOT my point as you are well aware of.. ... maybe you just like to be noticed on the boards?? or do you get paid to be arrogant and rude???

My point IS...

We are in a recession, we have had taxes increased and new taxes/levies introcuced, there have been serious expenditure cuts to essential public services and unemployment has soared... how the hell (deep breath) do you justify paying Child Benefit to children who do not reside in the country!!! I do not care if they are bloody polish or mongolian, that is not my point! So do NOT try to make me out to be some sort of racist nutter!!

Actually I generally enjoy just being arrogant sometimes for the(deep breath and a quick rosary) hell of it.I simply took your basic premise and brought it to it's obvious conclusion, since you did say that in such times we should take the approach 'Irish first'. I think such a tool of wit has a name funnily enough, turns up pretty often in debating and so on, reductio ad absurdem.

Oh I'm taking your response or lack of, as a signal you did not notice my little piece of revenge in my previous post, thought not.:D

MagicMarker · 25-10-2008 12:09AM

cailin06 wrote: »

I can well afford to support my children! And if I couldn't then I'm damn sure their father could! And yes, their father is also my husband....

Again, that was not my point...

eh, so why are you claiming child benefit?

mumhaabu · 25-10-2008 12:10AM

I don't blame the Polish or Eastern Europeans at all they work have contributed to our economy and paid taxes. They are fine honest hard working people and I would miss them if they all left at this stage. We need to restrict immigration yes but we need to curtail new immigration not kick out those that are already here.

I have far more reservations about the number of Africans I see who never appear to be working and similarly with our own Irish lazy skangers who'd rather get pissed of their dole money than try find a job.

I know several Eastern Europeans and was originally quite sceptical about them until I got to know them and seen their work ethic and now I regularly say thanks and hello in both Czech and Polish etc.

The reason this country is on its knees is a mixture of bad Fianna Fail government, added to a Global Recession with a splash of Trade-Union interference and a massively bloated public service. This is the recipe for a perfect economic storm. If Biffo waved his wand and made all the foreigners dissapear overnight it would make things far far worse. These people are consumers and are directly responsible for the employment of a certain percentage of Irish people plus some of their own.

In a nutshell let those here stay, restrict future access and trim big government before reopening again, we need those gorgeaus Polish and Czech women, they have made Irish women up their game alot.

LolaDub · 25-10-2008 12:12AM

I think everyone with a child born in this country is entitled to child benefit regardless of income?

mikemac · 25-10-2008 12:12AM

sparksfly wrote: »

This is not fraud, irish PAYE workers pay benefits for polish children with a parent living in Ireland, Brian Cowen does not give a s**t, its only the PAYE workers money.

Oh my friend, he certainly does if this 11.5 billion euro deficit will be covered.

sparksfly wrote: »

Earlier this year a Romanian family got 800 euro from our social welfare officer towards their daughters communion. The next day they (parents) arrived into the post office where my brother works, very drunk and with 650 euro to be wired to Poland. They admitted that there was no intention of having a communion for their daughter. Post office staff reported it but S W Officer shrugged it off, again its only the PAYE workers money.

Are those countries correct? Hey it's your story but it's what got flagged when I read it anyway

sparksfly wrote: »

The amount of cash being paid out to foriegn nationals for socialising, driving lessons and to subsidise car purchases is unbelievable from a small rural P O.

Nonsense, although I once heard about an African women who left a buggy at a bus stop and told the people on the bus the "social" would buy a new one. Did you hear that too :pac:

sparksfly wrote: »

We also have a very active gang of romanians breaking into houses at the moment, just to complement our local scumbags.

I'd agree with you, though they seem to good at ATM fraud.

sparksfly wrote: »

It seems that when it comes to the taxpayer, its f**k them, they will never complain. No fear of artists like Bono or the horse racing industry fatcats being asked to stump up any part of their millions.

Ah,the 'ol dig at the horse racing industry. It's a huge industry, employs thousands and the likes of Coolmore Stud are a big succuss story for Ireland. We are one of the world leaders in all things equastrian. Of all the targets you could have picked, you picked a lazy option

Latchy · 25-10-2008 12:13AM

mumhaabu wrote: »

we need those gorgeaus Polish and Czech women, they have made Irish women up their game alot.

Nothing like a birra competition for the natives (sniff )

MagicMarker · 25-10-2008 12:16AM

LolaDub wrote: »

I think everyone with a child born in this country is entitled to child benefit regardless of income?

That really wouldn't surprise me... Stupid cúnt of a country!! How many kids does Bono have?

But still, if cailin06 can ''well afford'' to support her children, surely she wouldn't 'need' child benefit. How much has she/will she take off the tax payers over the course of her kids lives? Probably more than this polish bloke.

cailin06 · 25-10-2008 12:18AM

sparksfly wrote: »

This is not fraud, irish PAYE workers pay benefits for polish children with a parent living in Ireland, Brian Cowen does not give a s**t, its only the PAYE workers money.
Earlier this year a Romanian family got 800 euro from our social welfare officer towards their daughters communion. The next day they (parents) arrived into the post office where my brother works, very drunk and with 650 euro to be wired to Poland. They admitted that there was no intention of having a communion for their daughter. Post office staff reported it but S W Officer shrugged it off, again its only the PAYE workers money.
The amount of cash being paid out to foriegn nationals for socialising, driving lessons and to subsidise car purchases is unbelievable from a small rural P O.
We also have a very active gang of romanians breaking into houses at the moment, just to complement our local scumbags.
It seems that when it comes to the taxpayer, its f**k them, they will never complain. No fear of artists like Bono or the horse racing industry fatcats being asked to stump up any part of their millions.

Thank you!!

I am not by any means tarring them all with the one brush but this is a prime example of the crap we are paying for. My hubby sees far too much trauma/heartbreak in his job due to financial difficulties. His comment after a recent suicide was that the guy felt he had nowhere left to go for help. It's too sad...

LolaDub · 25-10-2008 12:19AM

Child benefit isn't a massive amount, think its 166 a month?? Don't know hot the fella the op is discussing got it backdated to 7000!

diddley · 25-10-2008 12:21AM

She obviously brought nationality into it to highlight how the kids being paid for don't live in Ireland.

Why say its racist?
With things like this I honestly have little hope for Ireland anymore.

cailin06 · 25-10-2008 12:22AM

dan719 wrote: »

Oh I'm taking your response or lack of, as a signal you did not notice my little piece of revenge in my previous post, thought not.:D

Dammit....

Is it any wonder this country is on it's knees???

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