How much is Big Brother watching?

PullMyFinger! · 26-08-2005 01:50AM #1

With our mobile phones been used seemingly as tracking devices, spyware looking at what we do online, Google maps tracking every inch of the globe and our phonecalls been monitered for flagged words .................. how much is Big Brother watching and how bad will it get in the future?

Love the new forum btw

billy the squid · 26-08-2005 02:00AM

It is interesting how we will happily have devices that track our location installed whether it be in our homes, on our cars or even on our selves, for the sake of "piece of mind"

We have things like "lo-jack" installed on our cars either to track it when it is stolen, while it could potentially be used either by insurance companies to see if we are staying within the speed limit in a given area, or could be used by someone to find out where we are.

Every web page we visit deposits cookies on our computer. one could find out our surfing habits, to see if we were visiting any nefarious websites.

Itemised phone billing shows us that who we call and when and for how long we are talking them is being recorded.

just a few more things to consider.

edit: just to add, welcome to the board, and glad you like.

dlofnep · 26-08-2005 10:52AM

PullMyFinger! wrote:

With our mobile phones been used seemingly as tracking devices, spyware looking at what we do online, Google maps tracking every inch of the globe and our phonecalls been monitered for flagged words .................. how much is Big Brother watching and how bad will it get in the future?

Love the new forum btw

Anything that transmits, that uses repeaters can be tracked. Quite easily. Nothing to do with the government.

Spyware is only used for advertising companies to track our trends so that they can send us specific spam e-mail to our likings or produce popups that we are more inclined to click on. It has nothing to do with the government once again.

There has been easily obtainable sattelite images of the globe for the last decade with software like imageconnect and globeexplorer. Google just designed an interface for it. Trouble with these program is that they are not in real time and thus cannot be used for any sort of reconnaissance work. It's not some secret conspiracy to peer into everybody's windows at night to see what they are doing. Governments would more than likely use reconnaissance planes to get any real high def images of a specific area in real time.

trishw78 · 26-08-2005 10:55AM

we all carry bank (ATM) cards, Credit cards, our passports carry a history of where we've been and how long we've been there... most of all shops now have some sort of customer loyalty cards....
Not forgetting "eye in the sky" CCTV etc...

Just to add a few more

miju · 26-08-2005 01:25PM

I dont think big brother is watching that much. But with that said I'm pretty sure that should big brother feel the need to monitor you (if your breaking the law for example) he could look and tap into every single thing you own and know all about you without you even knowing it.

CCTV while always watching is usually there for our good rather than anything else

maquiladora · 26-08-2005 02:01PM

dlofnep wrote:

Anything that transmits, that uses repeaters can be tracked. Quite easily. Nothing to do with the government.

Spyware is only used for advertising companies to track our trends so that they can send us specific spam e-mail to our likings or produce popups that we are more inclined to click on. It has nothing to do with the government once again.

There has been easily obtainable sattelite images of the globe for the last decade with software like imageconnect and globeexplorer. Google just designed an interface for it. Trouble with these program is that they are not in real time and thus cannot be used for any sort of reconnaissance work. It's not some secret conspiracy to peer into everybody's windows at night to see what they are doing. Governments would more than likely use reconnaissance planes to get any real high def images of a specific area in real time.

I agree with dlofnep on just about all of that. I mean, a static aerial pic on google maps where your house is about 2 pixels wide is hardly something to worry about. And regarding tracking and so forth, if you have nothing to hide then theres nothing to fear.

netwhizkid · 27-08-2005 11:29AM

How about chipping and mind control, i believe that the CIA are part of the New World Order conspiracy and they invented and deliberaty spread aids/hiv as a grotesgue form of population control. Every move you make now is being tracked basically we are a slave race, this is much more evident in the USA where each cell phone has GPS tracking to within a few feet.

miju · 27-08-2005 12:40PM

mobile phone signals can be tracked to within about 50 feet here as well its nothing new i believe it was first used on the Omagh bombing case if I'm not mistaken.

AFAIK its nothing to do with GPS tracking its more to do with your mobile signal bouncing off the nearest mobile mast to keep its signal

Hobbes · 28-08-2005 06:36PM

billy the squid wrote:

We have things like "lo-jack" installed on our cars either to track it when it is stolen, while it could potentially be used either by insurance companies to see if we are staying within the speed limit in a given area, or could be used by someone to find out where we are.

Actually all new cars in Ireland have recorders that track your car by GPS and monitor your speed, etc. Its old news.

http://www.primidi.com/2003/11/18.html

Zapho · 31-08-2005 11:00AM

_raptor_ wrote:

mobile phone signals can be tracked to within about 50 feet here as well its nothing new i believe it was first used on the Omagh bombing case if I'm not mistaken.

AFAIK its nothing to do with GPS tracking its more to do with your mobile signal bouncing off the nearest mobile mast to keep its signal

Yup, even when your phone is turned off, as long as the battery is still in it it will periodically reconnect to the nearest mast so straight away you have that person pinned down to a certain area. Cities has a higher density of masts then anywhere else (because of population size) so if someone is tracing a person in the city then the search area is smaller in size. GPS isn't necesssary.

Fallschirmjager · 05-09-2005 09:24AM

netwhizkid wrote:

How about chipping and mind control, i believe that the CIA are part of the New World Order conspiracy and they invented and deliberaty spread aids/hiv as a grotesgue form of population control. Every move you make now is being tracked basically we are a slave race, this is much more evident in the USA where each cell phone has GPS tracking to within a few feet.

u are kidding..right??

billy the squid · 05-09-2005 12:04PM

Fallschirmjager wrote:

u are kidding..right??

such a reply is not acceptable, either debate the issue or dont.

Fallschirmjager · 05-09-2005 12:44PM

billy the squid wrote:

such a reply is not acceptable, either debate the issue or dont.

Billy, i had assumed this was a complete wind up but i hear what you are saying:

Hiv/Aids

http://www.avert.org/origins.htm

As for their GSM 'system', if you have been to the US and actually tried to use it you would realise what total crap it actually is

http://wired-vig.wired.com/news/wireless/0,1382,44205,00.html

Altho this report is very old it accurately desscibes what a complete mess they have made of it and also once outside a city GSM disappears altogether. Also i dont think GSM can locate you to within feet (in fact someone posted this on another thread here as i recall) So if you want to track someone in a city, fair enough, but not outside, certainly that is my experience anyways. Perhaps it has gotten better since i was there...

so i would be very interested to see some facts to thee original post, i would love to read some of them...

Pet · 14-09-2005 07:37PM

Yup, even when your phone is turned off, as long as the battery is still in it it will periodically reconnect to the nearest mast so straight away you have that person pinned down to a certain area.

Are you certain of this? It sounds doubtful to me..

Rancidmaniac13 · 29-09-2005 09:06PM

Just the amount of information supermarkets have on people is disturbing. They know everything you buy when you use loyalty cards.

PullMyFinger! · 05-01-2006 06:15PM

Will it ever get to Minority Report type levels of Big Brother knowing our every move?

Capt'n Midnight · 05-01-2006 06:35PM

RFID - all guard dogs in Ireland have had to have them for ages. It'll be us next. I'm supprised that some of the South Asian countries haven't implimented it yet.

Plans to have them in all €100 notes, at least until the technology becomes cheap enough to use on lower ones.

All email recorded etc. - Phone calls to / in UK have been done for donkeys years (as in donkey would have died of old age by now ) echelon

As for biometrics ever seen GATACCA , love the thumb scanners on the turnstyles.

Don't forget that BB isn't just looking at where you are now, once you appear on the radar they can trace you all the way back and work out how predictable you are compared to others.

Beer is Life · 06-01-2006 08:11AM

Im watching right now...A BB type future isnt too far off, with city centre CCTV and all that jazz.

If you are in an urban area, more than likely someone like me has seen you several times already and you dont even know about it

Capt'n Midnight · 06-01-2006 05:53PM

netwhizkid wrote:

Every move you make now is being tracked basically we are a slave race, this is much more evident in the USA where each cell phone has GPS tracking to within a few feet.

Naw they desensitised it to about 100m so the emergency services could track callers.

Naw they [officially anyway] desensitised it to about 100m so the emergency services could track callers.

compo · 23-01-2006 11:03PM

Rancidmaniac13 wrote:

Just the amount of information supermarkets have on people is disturbing. They know everything you buy when you use loyalty cards.

Working in a supermarket, I know exactly how the loyalty cards work and how they're used to monitor and influence customers' buying habits. When they were introduced, we were told that they couldn't tell exactly what items a particular customer bought. Since then, evidence has proven this assurance to be a lie.
Big Brother is watching, and has been for some time. The worry is how the information will be used.

CoBurN · 25-01-2006 12:24PM

I personally know a girl who was tracked while out on a very remote head after threatenin to commit suicide over one of my mates dumpin her, so if the Garda of a ****ty lil town can do that within a couple of hours...

trishw78 · 16-02-2006 12:38PM

Thats how the found the body of that little boy from Middleton then used Triangulation. His mobile was turned off if I'm not very much mistaken

http://www.tinhat.com/cell_phone/tracking.html

shayser · 17-02-2006 01:36PM

This is interesting... :eek:

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/83585/uk-government-seeks-backdoor-access-to-windows-vista.html

Did they ask because US has it already and they want it too?? What if China asks nicely??

Run_to_da_hills · 06-11-2008 01:56AM

looking at this thread dated 26 08 2005. The Irish Big Brother Net has closed in quite a lot since August of 2005. The same can be reflected right across the globe as we draw closer to the dawn of the NWO.

The Westlink Toll Plaza is now set up as a digital monitoring station funded by motorists using ANPR & RFID.
http://www.herald.ie/opinion/columnists/sinead-ryan/big-brother-has-his-eye-on-us-at-every-toll-road-1495216.html

You have the Gardai using new state of the art Gatso vans equipped Multi-Camera System (MCS) can identify and log anything in their path even at night or in poor visibility. Speed cameras have their uses but the sophistication of some the new digital Gatsos needs to be questioned.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/hitech-speeding-traps-hit-the-road-1479689.html

You have a vast increase of CCTV usage throughout our cities and towns over the last three years There are pro's and cons of having CCTV surveillance. Dublin Bus and Dart have now their entire fleet covered in CCTV's since 2005. The Enviros 400 & 500's have up to 8 CCTVs installed including one road facing. With the roll out of "free" WIFI in our public transport no doubt that this is setting up the stage for live cctv from an external monitoring station
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7678855.stm

A e6 million a contract is in the process for an order of up to Garda 100 ANPR cameras. The ANPR system can scan 3000 vehicles an hour against various databases, checking whether the owner is wanted by police or if the vehicle is on the road. These devices have civil liberties concerns
http://www.herald.ie/national-news/welsh-close-to-winning-83646m-garda-camera-deal-1516597.html

Threat of the NWO style chipped ID cards. This plan fortunately fell flat on its face because of lack of government funding. No doubt it will stick its ugly head again in the near future through European funding or pressure from the UK authorities. These cards can track all your movements and can also be scanned unknowingly of personal data from inside your pocket or handbag using a hand held scanner.
http://www.herald.ie/national-news/new-state-id-cards-on-way-1446912.html

The following link is a good source to keep up to date with things on the Irish front.
http://www.wiseupjournal.com/?p=532

miju wrote: »

CCTV while always watching is usually there for our good rather than anything else

They will say the same about the implant. :rolleyes:

EuFatCat · 06-11-2008 09:05AM

miju wrote: »

CCTV while always watching is usually there for our good rather than anything else

:eek: Are you having a laugh?

EuFatCat · 06-11-2008 09:05AM

PullMyFinger! wrote: »

Will it ever get to Minority Report type levels of Big Brother knowing our every move?

You are about ten years too late.

How much is Big Brother watching?

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