3X12 "Our Father" Caution may contain Spoilers

pyramuid man · 09-12-2008 03:25PM #1

Angela sends peter to kill Arthur with the Haitian, The catalyst is revealed and falls into the wrong hands. Sylar surprises this week with a humourous performance

Just seen it and was not too impressed.

Sylar was pretty entertaining I have to say.

Also Starring LeVar Burton · 09-12-2008 03:30PM

***Can we get a poll added and spoiler warning in thread title***

That was one of the best episodes ever - if not the best.

loved the scene between Hiro and his mother - very moving altogether

Nervous Wreck · 09-12-2008 03:41PM

The episode was decent until the appearance of Arthur in the past. Then it all went crap. Arthur's death was also very anti-climactic. Some of Sylar's lines were really weak but luckily Zachary Quinto is a ****ing boss actor and managed to pull it off. Was so hoping that Peter would get his powers back. The marine is super strong but who cares? So is Sylar, Mohinder, Knox and, formerly, Peter and Niki.

User45701 · 09-12-2008 04:03PM

that was absoulte ****e

if daddy patrelli could not use his powrs to stop the bulet and sylar could use his and the fact that he is the sylar we know and love again he should have taken patrelli's powers instead of just killing him.

*sigh*

pyramuid man · 09-12-2008 04:14PM

Please use spoiler tags when talking about scenes in the show.

What happens to the catalyst

AdMMM · 09-12-2008 04:18PM

It was all going fine until about 15 minutes from the end. Arthurs appearance in the past was just terrible!

MatthewVII · 09-12-2008 05:43PM

It doesn't make sense that Arthur be dead for good, considering that both Sylar and Claire came back from the dead with their regeneration powers. Since the Haitian left at the end of the episode, shouldn't arthur be able to heal back to life?

DEmeant0r · 09-12-2008 06:08PM

Matthew,

Angela said that a bullet to the head would permanently kill a healer.

Derek Coleman · 09-12-2008 06:20PM

Ok one problem at a time people!

Arthur got a bullet to the brain which we are told will kill a regeneration hero.
I agree that the episode was going great until Arthur took Hiro's power.

Now for a prediction...... Sylar is the most powerful thing on the planet now. So the only person to stop him would be Arthur. So remove the bullet from his head with a long nosed pliers and Arthur is back. And Maybe we'll see a team up of The Petrelli's now.

Just a guess.... Did you see The glow of smoke or whatever coming out of Arthur when he died? It looked like the Catalyst smoke but could that be all the powers he stole returning to the people he stole them from? We'll wait and see.

How can Matt and Ando run with Daphne? Did she carry them? Lazy lazy writers.

MatthewVII · 09-12-2008 06:21PM

DEmeant0r wrote: »

Matthew,
Angela said that a bullet to the head would permanently kill a healer.

that's true. My bad. I should really pay attention to things before ranting

wandatowell · 09-12-2008 06:29PM

I thought it was a great episode considering the past few have been touch and go

Derek Coleman · 09-12-2008 06:31PM

Strange question to ask people here but whats going on with Claires hair? Why does it look so odd like its a wig? It just doesn't look right. Isn't it funny the way things turn out.... the one character you want to die can't! :rolleyes:

EKRIUQ · 09-12-2008 08:57PM

I thought it was quite a good episode, instead of everything happening at 100 miles per hour. Some good scenes but hopefully back to action packed next episode.

Off topic:
Why is everything in spoilers? ruins the thread, this is a disscusion on the above episode not of future episodes

seraphimvc · 09-12-2008 10:03PM

time paradox anyone?:pac:

catalyst?the term 'magic' suits better.....wtf with that light...

awful haytian + peter-dad-ultimate-boss-cant-use-his-power +nonsense-dumbly-get-killed-by-sylar scenes - my IQ is not that low ffs

*sigh*i havent watched heroes for few weeks so i have no idea what happened.i am so regret now - watched this sh!te when i was bored just now online

the marine-super-army-reminds-me-of-xman/marvelcomic is completely put me off for watching it in future.

but good sylar acting tho:pac:feels like he is the only reason i might give Heroes a go some day

Fysh · 09-12-2008 10:08PM

That was an improvement on the last few episodes, I must admit. Sylar appears to be back on form - the scene in the lift was a great little reminder of what made the character so compelling to begin with

And delighted to see Hiro's memory restored, the whole 10-year-old Hiro thing was old.

The single thing I liked best about the episode, though, was the introduction of the super-soldier project. Not exactly mind-boggling or ground-breaking in and of itself, but if they stick with it the show has a chance of moving into fresh new ground and getting back to what was so good in the first series. I'm actually looking forward to next week's episode, because hopefully they'll set up something compelling for Volume 4.

That's not to say it doesn't have its faults - the supposedly emotional dialogue between Claire and Young HRG, or Hiro and Ma Nakamura, felt pretty clunky and trite, although not as bad as some recent episodes have been. The time travel aspect of the story is baffling and doesn't really make any sort of sense (if the episode shows what always happened [ie self-consistent time loop, a la Terminator One] then Kaito Nakamura would have warned Hiro that he would one day travel to the past and become the catalyst, but if it shows Hiro/Pa Petrelli changing the past, then none of the events that originally happened between the "16 years ago" and the start of series 1 would have happened - ie if Pa Petrelli stole the catalyst to take to the future, none of the heroes should have developed their powers in the present of series one).

I'm glad to see Pa Petrelli bite the bullet, though. I know he was supposed to be this ominous Big Bad, but frankly he was never written well enough to rise beyond being the Heroes equivalent of JR in Dallas.

seraphimvc · 09-12-2008 10:10PM

wah?bullet in head kill a regen hero???what about the huge trauma injury claire had back in season1????that was defo a bigger hole that made by bullet in her head

Fysh · 09-12-2008 10:25PM

seraphimvc wrote: »

wah?bullet in head kill a regen hero???what about the huge trauma injury claire had back in season1????that was defo a bigger hole that made by bullet in her head

I've been wondering about this, to be honest. Given the general idea of how regenerative powers would work (brain's repair centre working over-time and at a much higher efficiency than normal), I think the notion is that if you destroy the repair centre you can effectively "kill" the individual. This doesn't exactly gel with Claire's "resurrection" in season one, unless in her case the repair centre wasn't destroyed by the branch in her head, just impaired in some way (partially severed and unable to repair itself until the branch was removed, for example).

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Oh good god, I'm over-thinking this stuff again.

Nervous Wreck · 09-12-2008 11:00PM

Fysh wrote: »

I've been wondering about this, to be honest. Given the general idea of how regenerative powers would work (brain's repair centre working over-time and at a much higher efficiency than normal), I think the notion is that if you destroy the repair centre you can effectively "kill" the individual. This doesn't exactly gel with Claire's "resurrection" in season one, unless in her case the repair centre wasn't destroyed by the branch in her head, just impaired in some way (partially severed and unable to repair itself until the branch was removed, for example).

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Oh good god, I'm over-thinking this stuff again.

That's what I always reckoned too....

lostexpectation · 10-12-2008 02:12AM

what was with all the close ups.

will they go back on what happened in this ep?

oeb · 10-12-2008 08:20AM

Fysh wrote: »

That's not to say it doesn't have its faults - the supposedly emotional dialogue between Claire and Young HRG, or Hiro and Ma Nakamura, felt pretty clunky and trite, although not as bad as some recent episodes have been. The time travel aspect of the story is baffling and doesn't really make any sort of sense (if the episode shows what always happened [ie self-consistent time loop, a la Terminator One] then Kaito Nakamura would have warned Hiro that he would one day travel to the past and become the catalyst, but if it shows Hiro/Pa Petrelli changing the past, then none of the events that originally happened between the "16 years ago" and the start of series 1 would have happened - ie if Pa Petrelli stole the catalyst to take to the future, none of the heroes should have developed their powers in the present of series one).

Kaito Nakamura did not know that Hiro traveled to the past, only his mother knew, and she died just after she found out. Also, the catalyst is only needed to make the formula, 16 years ago, all the current (artificial) heroes (Nathan, Nikki etc) would have already recieved the treatment. And the natural ones would not have needed the catalyst anyway.

I think it has retained a consistant timeline.

Cabaal · 10-12-2008 08:45AM

I liked it up until Peter's dad went back in time and took Hiro's powers, that just seemed out of place for some strange reason....good otherwise

J-blk · 10-12-2008 08:57AM

seraphimvc wrote: »

wah?bullet in head kill a regen hero???what about the huge trauma injury claire had back in season1????that was defo a bigger hole that made by bullet in her head

Wasn't that the case where the branch had to be removed for her to be healed though (during the autopsy)? I think she would have stayed dead if the branch was left lodged in her skull. Same thing happened down the line with Peter and a piece of glass stuck in his head... So if the bullet is not removed from Arthur, he should stay dead...

Overall I wasn't impressed with this one either - very anticlimactic. And they've been building up this whole "heroes vs. villains" thing all season yet it still has gone nowhere and that doesn't seem like it will change with the next episode...

Is the catalyst now gone forever? It seemed to just "evaporate" out of Arthur there...

The best parts were definitely Sylar being his old self - both in the office when the other workers stepped in and in the elevator

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It also seems that the Haitian's powers need to/can be focused and are not a dampening field on every power around him. He was so focused on Arthur and struggling to keep him under control, that he couldn't affect Sylar at the same time.

DirkVoodoo · 10-12-2008 10:05AM

For Tim Kring to say that time travel is a bane of television writing, he seems increasingly dependent on it to thread his storylines together.

I was watching "Star Trek: Generations" the other day on Sky (Don't hit me, I hadn't seen it in ages) and the writers dug themselves into a similar mess. Picard ended up in this "Nexus" (place where time has no meaning, actually he might have been transported to an episode of heroes) and decides he has to go back and stop Malcolm McDowell's bad guy. Instead of saying "Actually, I'll go back to before my brother and nephew died, warn them to stay away from any fireplaces and then stop Soran before he blows up the first sun" he makes it impossibly hard and says "No, I have a better idea, send me back to the mountain top, after he has done most of the damage and leave me in a race against the clock to stop him!"

Sure, for dramatic purposes Picard chose the right option, but part of drama is believability, in spite of the medium being science-fiction or fantasy, the characters must be believable and have very human motivations. What Picard did was what Heroes has been doing all season: Make the unbelievable choice to further the plot, but in doing so removes any real credibility from the story.

I thought the episode was ok, but the constant time travel and incredible coincidences are becoming less interesting and more desperate. I would believe it more if Daphne just ran really fast around the earth and reversed time by reversing its spin around the sun.

astrofool · 10-12-2008 01:52PM

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

For Tim Kring to say that time travel is a bane of television writing, he seems increasingly dependent on it to thread his storylines together.

I was watching "Star Trek: Generations" the other day on Sky (Don't hit me, I hadn't seen it in ages) and the writers dug themselves into a similar mess. Picard ended up in this "Nexus" (place where time has no meaning, actually he might have been transported to an episode of heroes) and decides he has to go back and stop Malcolm McDowell's bad guy. Instead of saying "Actually, I'll go back to before my brother and nephew died, warn them to stay away from any fireplaces and then stop Soran before he blows up the first sun" he makes it impossibly hard and says "No, I have a better idea, send me back to the mountain top, after he has done most of the damage and leave me in a race against the clock to stop him!"

Sure, for dramatic purposes Picard chose the right option, but part of drama is believability, in spite of the medium being science-fiction or fantasy, the characters must be believable and have very human motivations. What Picard did was what Heroes has been doing all season: Make the unbelievable choice to further the plot, but in doing so removes any real credibility from the story.

I thought the episode was ok, but the constant time travel and incredible coincidences are becoming less interesting and more desperate. I would believe it more if Daphne just ran really fast around the earth and reversed time by reversing its spin around the sun.

Ah, but in Star trek, they have a policy not to meddle in the time line, so Picard chose the least meddlesome time to go back (i.e. just minutes before he went in).

Fysh · 10-12-2008 02:18PM

oeb wrote: »

Kaito Nakamura did not know that Hiro traveled to the past, only his mother knew, and she died just after she found out.

Oh, I know Kaito didn't explicitly know who Adult Hiro was back in the past. My point was that if he got a clear look at Adult Hiro when he was there, then came home a while later to find Adult Hiro gone and his wife dead, then discovers much later that his son has developed the ability to manipulate time and space, he could conceivably make the connection: "Hmmm, my wife wanted to make our son the catalyst > Hmmm, it turns out my son can travel in time > Now I come to think about it, there was a guy around the house who looked suspiciously like him the day before she died!"

This is what you'd expect if we're talking about a self-consistent time-loop story (ie events have "always" happened this way, there's always been a single timeline, it's just that certain parts of it are looped). The Kaito Nakamura thing doesn't guarantee it, I just think it would be a bit odd.

Of course, the time-travel stories don't seem to be very well thought-out, beyond their short-term purpose as plot devices...

oeb wrote: »

Also, the catalyst is only needed to make the formula, 16 years ago, all the current (artificial) heroes (Nathan, Nikki etc) would have already recieved the treatment. And the natural ones would not have needed the catalyst anyway.

I could well be wrong on this part, I found the whole explanation of the catalyst to be inadequate and clumsy (like a lot of things this season). I'm probably mis-remembering Mohinder's comments about restoring people's abilities (during the eclipse) and how he'd need the catalyst to do it.

There again, the whole catalyst thing is going to need clearing up and I hope they don't just ignore it like they have other plot holes...

oeb · 10-12-2008 02:34PM

Fysh wrote: »

I could well be wrong on this part, I found the whole explanation of the catalyst to be inadequate and clumsy (like a lot of things this season). I'm probably mis-remembering Mohinder's comments about restoring people's abilities (during the eclipse) and how he'd need the catalyst to do it.

There again, the whole catalyst thing is going to need clearing up and I hope they don't just ignore it like they have other plot holes...

I see your point with the first lot (that I have edited out of my quote). But as to the rest, my understanding was that Mohinder ment to restore peoples abilities by simply giving them new abilities. The catalyst is needed for the serum, but you can also have abilities without ever getting the serum.

Johnny Bitte · 10-12-2008 03:28PM

What a bloody mess the whole thing is.

The big bad daddy who appears to have every single power that anyone can think of has the most anti climactic death ever.

We are all still waiting for this major power battle that we will never see because the writers are chicken ****.

Sylar is the one good thing left about the show and they ****ed him up.
Angela "I m you mommy"
Sylar "I ll be good so"
Daddy Patrelli "I m your daddy"
Sylar "I ll be bad for you"

discovers there not

"Rarrragh I m evil again"

and now time travel.
a super power like this can only work with serious limitations like only being able to jump when the moon is full and a lion ****s gold, that way it cant be used every single time a road block is reached.

Hiro should be killed or left lost in time for the show to survive or else its gonna be the same thing over and over.

Fysh · 10-12-2008 04:07PM

The_Goose135 wrote: »

We are all still waiting for this major power battle that we will never see because the writers are chicken ****.

I find myself in an odd position on that front - I quite liked the way that the first series didn't have a big climactic battle at the end, because it would have been a bit too predictable and formulaic. I liked that the actual chain of events in the ending flowed from the various characters and what we'd gotten to know of them over the course of the series.

That doesn't mean this strategy works overall - I'm getting very bored with the ongoing introduction or persistence of characters who should, by rights, be among the most powerful people on the planet and yet are rendered constantly powerless through the magic of Crap Writing.

So I'm not exactly hoping for a big powers throwdown, but I do hope that they'll either get on with it and actually show some serious super-powered fights or stop hinting at them and just get on with telling another story entirely.

The_Goose135 wrote: »

Hiro should be killed or left lost in time for the show to survive or else its gonna be the same thing over and over.

I agree; there doesn't seem to be much scope for developing him as an individual, and his power is far too likely to be abused as a reset button to remain in play. That being said, they may be planning to leave him powerless in the past - such that in series 4 we're presented with an older, more experienced but powerless Hiro.

J-blk · 10-12-2008 05:04PM

Fysh wrote: »

That being said, they may be planning to leave him powerless in the past - such that in series 4 we're presented with an older, more experienced but powerless Hiro.

That would be kind of interesting IMO but the writers of this show are way too chicken s**t to make any such drastic changes to their "core" cast. The most likely scenario is that by the end of the "Villains" volume, everything will have been swiped by the "reset button" and absolutely nothing that happened in the last 13 episodes or so will have any consequence. That's the major problem with the show now: nobody from the main cast ever really dies, nothing has any lasting consequences...

astrofool · 10-12-2008 06:22PM

Would Hiro still not be around in present day? It could be how he learned to fight properly (i.e. use a katana), and now be 16 years older.

10-12-2008 06:34PM

could be, provided he wasn't recused or killed.
also how did Arthur manage go back in time?
If he didn't take Hiro's power...

this time travel malarkey is getting ridiculous.
writing again was poor, some of the lines were dreadful.Cringeworthy stuff..

Sarn · 10-12-2008 07:00PM

Cuddleworthy wrote: »

also how did Arthur manage go back in time?
If he didn't take Hiro's power...

He used Peter's time travelling ability. Like other people I enjoyed this episode (apart from Arthur going back, how the hell did he pinpoint the time so perfectly?). Amazingly I thought Claire was good for a change.

10-12-2008 07:04PM

ah yeah, silly me!:o getting a bit head-melting trying to remember who the hell can do what...

eVeNtInE · 10-12-2008 07:09PM

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mewso · 10-12-2008 07:12PM

Ah that old nutshell. If someone mistakes you for the new member of staff (chef, gardener, driver) the real new member of staff conveniently never turns up.

Johnny Bitte · 10-12-2008 07:12PM

Sarn wrote: »

how the hell did he pinpoint the time so perfectly?

Was thinking of this my self. I can only assume he s a wizard?!?!?!?

First the fact he went back at all? I mean at what point did he find out hiro went back in time at all and then that he was in that exact place a that exact time.

I know its tv and sci fi but it truely is lazy lazy writing.

hussey · 10-12-2008 08:52PM

a real spoiler

Aurther will be in next week's episode, whether in the past or present day, I don't know!

Derek Coleman · 10-12-2008 10:26PM

If Heroes never introduced Time Travel or Power Swapping then this show would still be credible. But its a mess. An entertaining mess but a mess.

Here's a shout for why I think Peter will get his power back soon. The cut on his face is very noticable. Seems like its set up to give us visual confirmation of Peter's return to power.

calex71 · 11-12-2008 12:28AM

ok ok just finished watching this and I ask you good people are the casting directors and writers on drugs?

The handing out of abilites thing ? And the guy how played the soldier they injected? Only now do i see the parallel in plot to heroes and the 4400.

They can't be that stupid, so the casting of a 4400 actor had to have been by intention. my question is why draw attention to the fact that the giving out of abilities was ripped off from the 4400? and then place an actor from that show in heroes ? said actor got his abilites in 4400 in the very same manor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and here he is http://www.tvrage.com/person/id-37097/Chad+Faust

_CreeD_ · 11-12-2008 12:33AM

What a weak episode in a season that's been very hit and miss. Time paradoxes, overplay for dramatic scenes (oh look it's Sylar and he's appeared out of the blue in this large room and we didnt' notice because we were busy thinking of killing Daddy), more Sylar character russian-roulette (it doesn't matter how well he pulls it off the writing on this is awful, all this mother/father/not mother/father, good/bad/neutral/really bad crap is worse than a soap opera). At this stage if they don't have a spectacular turnaround before the end of the season I won't be watching 4. Not to mention Hiro, a once cool developing character is now nothing more than an annoying semi-comedic break.
Season 1 was great because it didn't make the same old stupid mistakes and cliches, where did that go?

mewso · 11-12-2008 12:43AM

The_Goose135 wrote: »

Was thinking of this my self. I can only assume he s a wizard?!?!?!?

First the fact he went back at all? I mean at what point did he find out hiro went back in time at all and then that he was in that exact place a that exact time.

I know its tv and sci fi but it truely is lazy lazy writing.

Probably did a white-eyed maniacal drawing of it...which included a clock and calendar on the wall in the room he drew.

AlmightyCushion · 11-12-2008 02:22AM

With regards to sylar not being affected by the Hatian. I think what happened was that the Hatian lost control and could no longer block powers, at this exact millisecond Sylar just happened to appear and used his telekewhatsit to hold Arthur and the bullet in place. Still rediculous how well he timed it.

Sylar scenes were pretty good but overall it's not great. So much worse than the show I couldn't get enough of in season 1.

gazzer · 11-12-2008 10:45AM

One thing that I thought was really stupid last night was Ando wanting to use the serum so that he could go back in time to rescue Hiro. Did I miss the episode where a person could pick what power he/she wanted?

oeb · 11-12-2008 10:46AM

gazzer wrote: »

One thing that I thought was really stupid last night was Ando wanting to use the serum so that he could go back in time to rescue Hiro. Did I miss the episode where a person could pick what power he/she wanted?

They stated something earlier in the episode alluding to the fact that they could pick powers (At pinehurst)

Ste05 · 11-12-2008 11:47AM

I completely agree there are huge holes in the plot, but I enjoy it for what it is, mindless fun, and IMO it's great to have the old Sylar back!!

Sarn wrote: »

He used Peter's time travelling ability. Like other people I enjoyed this episode (apart from Arthur going back, how the hell did he pinpoint the time so perfectly?). Amazingly I thought Claire was good for a change.

If you think about it, no-one knew where the Catalyst went, all everyone knew was that on the day Hiro's mother died she gave the Catalyst to someone (no-one knew who) but they would have known the rough time and date.

And until Hiro went back in time there was No Catalyst, it's sketchy but somewhat explainable. i.e. until Hiro reaches the age of (whatever he is now) there is no Catalyst because it's not in his mother anymore and it doesn't go to anyone else until the young version of Hiro travels back in time. All Arthur had to do was travel back in time with the powers he stole from Peter, and the invisibility power he also got from Peter to wait to see who gets the Power and then take it back.

Now there are obviously HUGE leaks in that story e.g. why didn't he just go back and take the catalyst from Hiro's Mum (when she was sick) before she gave them away but meh, they need to write something, maybe he needed to take Hiro's Powers away from him and so had to time it just so???

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

With regards to sylar not being affected by the Hatian. I think what happened was that the Hatian lost control and could no longer block powers, at this exact millisecond Sylar just happened to appear and used his telekewhatsit to hold Arthur and the bullet in place. Still rediculous how well he timed it.

Sylar scenes were pretty good but overall it's not great. So much worse than the show I couldn't get enough of in season 1.

What I think happened there was that the Haitian was concentrating solely on Arthur (remember he was falling down and saying he was too powerful), so when Sylar arrived the Haitian didn't have enough strength to keep both Sylar and Arthur powerless, so left Sylar alone but kept Arthur powerless, he even said "Arthur had to die" or something like that, hence he left Sylar alone. So Sylar wanted to know the truth, found it out and let Arthur die.

User45701 · 11-12-2008 01:57PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

With regards to sylar not being affected by the Hatian. I think what happened was that the Hatian lost control and could no longer block powers, at this exact millisecond Sylar just happened to appear and used his telekewhatsit to hold Arthur and the bullet in place. Still rediculous how well he timed it.

Sylar scenes were pretty good but overall it's not great. So much worse than the show I couldn't get enough of in season 1.

Sorry but that cant be it, we have seen 2 people with powers fighting, sylar and peter can both use there telikenisis at the same time and hiro can teleport while being telikenisised (not a word)

anyway from what we have seen so far arther should have been able to either shove sylar back or else teleport away and he didnt meaning the hiatian can now choose who his powers effect, its a conscious effort - even though evidence to date suggests it is simply a effect he emits and the thing he does by choice is memory wipes

The Don · 11-12-2008 01:58PM

Ste05 wrote: »

I completely agree there are huge holes in the plot, but I enjoy it for what it is, mindless fun, and IMO it's great to have the old Sylar back!!

I just turned off my brain and watched it not expecting much but I really enjoyed it. It really was mindless fun. Sylar's one liners cracked me up

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It did fall apart once Arthur turned up in the past.

Ste05 wrote: »

What I think happened there was that the Haitian was concentrating solely on Arthur (remember he was falling down and saying he was too powerful), so when Sylar arrived the Haitian didn't have enough strength to keep both Sylar and Arthur powerless, so left Sylar alone but kept Arthur powerless, he even said "Arthur had to die" or something like that, hence he left Sylar alone. So Sylar wanted to know the truth, found it out and let Arthur die.

I agree, the Hatian was too putting all his focus on containing Artur to even notice Sylar and then too drained/wanted Artur dead to stop Sylar.

Sad to see Elle gone though

Nervous Wreck · 11-12-2008 02:52PM

calex71 wrote: »

ok ok just finished watching this and I ask you good people are the casting directors and writers on drugs?

The handing out of abilites thing ? And the guy how played the soldier they injected? Only now do i see the parallel in plot to heroes and the 4400.

They can't be that stupid, so the casting of a 4400 actor had to have been by intention. my question is why draw attention to the fact that the giving out of abilities was ripped off from the 4400? and then place an actor from that show in heroes ? said actor got his abilites in 4400 in the very same manor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and here he is http://www.tvrage.com/person/id-37097/Chad+Faust

I've never watched The 4400 but I reckon (from what you're saying anyway), they're both ripping off the super-soldier project from the Captain America comics...... I think Nathan even used the phrase "super-soldier project".......

Fysh · 11-12-2008 04:34PM

Nervous Wreck wrote: »

I've never watched The 4400 but I reckon (from what you're saying anyway), they're both ripping off the super-soldier project from the Captain America comics...... I think Nathan even used the phrase "super-soldier project".......

Nathan did specifically use the phrase "super-soldier project", but in fairness at this point I don't think you can call it "ripping off" - it's been in popular culture for nearly 70 years.

Having watched the 4400, it's a less impressive and more grounded exploration of what would happen if people started developing superpowers. The first mini-series is well worth checking out, although bear in mind that:

a) the third seasonis a bit ropey (although it does return to quality by the end), and
b) the series was cancelled after season 4 without an overall conclusion (I'm guessing the writers were planning for a final 5th season to wrap it all up, but that's not happening now, sadly).

Volvagia · 11-12-2008 04:36PM

started well, and was a little bit better than most but Arthur in the past and the power inconsistincies ruined it.

Sloppy writing, i don't like the way powers change to suit the plot. And the dodgy time travel yet again.

I haven't really enjoyed this season that much, and chances are depending on how it ends i might not bother with the next one.

at least sylar was mildly entertaining.

Mr. K · 11-12-2008 09:26PM

Arthur has an annoying part of the show generally. His powers make him omnipontent, but he just doesn't seem threatening enough! Even though his death was a bit pathetic and forced, I don't really want him to come back unless he gets a little scarier.

Okay, regarding the healer's deaths. After Future Claire killed Future Peter (in the future!), I kinda assumed that Claire is a super healer of sorts: the others get a lesser version of her power. Adam didn't seem quite as unkillable as her, so Arthur's healing power wasn't as effective. Peter's version isn't as powerful as Claire's either.

Sylar's changing personality really does seem forced, it's like the writers realised that he's not nearly as effective when he's not murderous. It sucks that Elle died, but we're better off with bad Sylar!

Despite it's massive inconsistency, I've really enjoyed the last few episodes! Funny how Loeb's Red Hulk was mentioned several times too...

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